2015 Pro Days

mayoclinic · Feb 28, 2015

I don't think there's a thread on this yet (if so, mods can feel free to merge). Pro Days start on Monday. This week there are a number of prospects of interest:

March 2: Minnesota (Maxx Williams), Virginia (Eli Harold, Max Valles)
March 3: Auburn (Nick Marshall)
March 4: Mississippi St. (Bernardick McKinney, Preston Smith), Texas A&M
March 5: Nebraska (Ameer Abdullah, Kenny Bell), Clemson
March 6: Arizona St. (Marcus Hardison)

I'm personally particularly looking forward to seeing what Valles and Hardison can do.

I.M. Fletcher · Feb 28, 2015

March 24 for Terry Williams fans

manxman2601 · Feb 28, 2015

Full schedule:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000471580/article/2015-pro-days-schedule

Shaq Mason on March 13th is another I'm interested in.

Patriots1364life · Feb 28, 2015

I wonder if maxx williams will run the 40 again and try to improve his time.

I.M. Fletcher · Feb 28, 2015

Also interested to see if buck Allen can up his bench. If that number gets to a proper range, I am back in.

Coach42 · Mar 1, 2015

Is Hardison definitely working our?

mayoclinic · Mar 1, 2015

Coach42 said:
Is Hardison definitely working our?

Nothing's definite, but Tony Pauline reported that he would:

Defensive lineman Marcus Hardison suffered a minor knee injury during the Senior Bowl which has hampered his training. As a result Hardison will not participate in the combine and will workout for teams during the ASU pro-day.

http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=10459

manxman2601 · Mar 2, 2015

We need to have some guesses on what Hardison will do at his pro day. I'm going with:

4.84 forty
1.69 10 yard
33.5 vert
115 broad
7.31 3cone

Those would be terrific numbers and would get people talking.

mayoclinic · Mar 2, 2015

Minnesota RB David Cobb won't work out today:

David Cobb's father says Gophers running back won't work out at Monday's Minnesota pro day (quad)

https://twitter.com/christomasson/status/572216826710630400

Clonamery · Mar 2, 2015

manxman2601 said:
We need to have some guesses on what Hardison will do at his pro day. I'm going with:

4.84 forty
1.69 10 yard
33.5 vert
115 broad
7.31 3cone

Those would be terrific numbers and would get people talking.

Why would you want people talking about him.....outside of here of course? Shhhhhhh.

mayoclinic · Mar 2, 2015

Patriots1364life said:
I wonder if maxx williams will run the 40 again and try to improve his time.

Apparently Maxx Williams is sitting on his Combine numbers, per Tony Pauline on twitter.

Also per Tony Pauline, on Walter Football, Max Valles was closed from the high 4.6's to the low 4.7's on his 40.

manxman2601 · Mar 2, 2015

Anthony Harris' pro day becomes more important today with the MCourty news. Didn't perform at the combine so it will be interesting to see what he does. I consider him one of the more McCourty-like safeties on the class.

patchick · Mar 2, 2015

mayoclinic said:
Apparently Maxx Williams is sitting on his Combine numbers, per Tony Pauline on twitter.

I'm reminded of a dreadful haircut I once received, where I pointed to a spot left too long and the hairdresser stepped away, saying "I'm afraid if I touch anything it will only get worse!"

manxman2601 · Mar 2, 2015

manxman2601 said:
Anthony Harris' pro day becomes more important today with the MCourty news. Didn't perform at the combine so it will be interesting to see what he does. I consider him one of the more McCourty-like safeties on the class.

Quick search on Twitter said he won't be running. Disappointing.

manxman2601 · Mar 2, 2015

Some **unofficial** 40 times: Max Valles 4.76, Darius Jennings 4.4(range), Kevin Parks 4.75. Harold, Harris not running. #UVaProTimingDay

That's the second mid 4.7s I've seen reported for Valles.

https://twitter.com/ARamspacher/status/572420027745497089

mayoclinic · Mar 2, 2015

manxman2601 said:
That's the second mid 4.7s I've seen reported for Valles.

https://twitter.com/ARamspacher/status/572420027745497089

I've seen numbers from the 4.6s to the 4.7s. No idea at this point. FWIW, Ethan Hammerman had this:

Max Valles also ran 4.65 today.

https://twitter.com/Ethanhamm/status/572541849476448256

Meanwhile Gil Brandt noted:

Valles ran the 40-yard dash in 4.88 and 4.84 seconds. He had a 36-inch vertical jump and a 9-9 broad jump. He stood on the rest of his numbers from the combine.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ives-draft-stock-a-boost-at-virginias-pro-day

Tony Pauline noted that Valles "reportedly looked very good in both linebacker and defensive line drills."

I don't know what the heck his 40 time is. I'm not sure I care. His film says he's more than athletic enough, if the drive and work ethic are there.

luuked · Mar 3, 2015

mayoclinic said:
I don't know what the heck his 40 time is. I'm not sure I care. His film says he's more than athletic enough, if the drive and work ethic are there.

Amazing how much difference 40yd results timed by different scouts can have. I wonder if this is already part of the disinformation battle between teams. Put a few tenths of a second on purpose on top of your timing, spread it around and create a little bit of doubt.

manxman2601 · Mar 3, 2015

luuked said:
Amazing how much difference 40yd results timed by different scouts can have. I wonder if this is already part of the disinformation battle between teams. Put a few tenths of a second on purpose on top of your timing, spread it around and create a little bit of doubt.

Actually I can shed a little light on this thanks to Daniel Jeremiah's podcast.

Every team present will time the guys themselves, and I believe every team was present at Virginia's pro day, so there's no need for misinformation because every team has their own time anyway. But, in case of pro days where not every one is present, each NFL team has colleges assigned to it, usually the local area, and they are responsible for running all aspects of the pro day and passing the results on to the other teams, specifically those not present. So no, aside from deliberate cheating, there can't be any disinformation on pro day results.

mayoclinic · Mar 3, 2015

manxman2601 said:
Actually I can shed a little light on this thanks to Daniel Jeremiah's podcast.

Every team present will time the guys themselves, and I believe every team was present at Virginia's pro day, so there's no need for misinformation because every team has their own time anyway. But, in case of pro days where not every one is present, each NFL team has colleges assigned to it, usually the local area, and they are responsible for running all aspects of the pro day and passing the results on to the other teams, specifically those not present. So no, aside from deliberate cheating, there can't be any disinformation on pro day results.

Pro Days are definitely not as controlled as the Combine, though they've gotten better. Frank Cooney discussed some of the shenanigans that went on in the past:

Once the Underwear Olympics leaves the confines of Indianapolis' Lucas Oil Stadium, scouts are wary of results turned in from campus workouts.

These concerns no longer focus on those old tricks used to enhance a player's data, such as the 40-yard dash that is only 38 yards long or the 225-pound bench press with 215 pounds as well as various chicanery measuring the vertical jumps.

"Teams became wise to those tricks years ago," said Jon Kingdon, who traveled the scouting trail 30 years for the Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders. "To make sure, we actually measured the 40 yards sometimes."

But tricks aren't the only difference. The elements, surface and timing method are exactly the same for each player at Indianapolis. That is not so for Pro Day workouts on each campus.

Even if the elements were the same, the difference in methods results in what seems to be a significant improvement in the timed events, especially the popular 40-yard dash (and the 10-, 20-yard splits). While the combine announces so-called electronic times, Pro Day workouts are almost all timed by hand-held stopwatches. One notable exception will be Oklahoma University (March 11), which will use the same Zybek Sports timing equipment that was at Indianapolis. The Colorado schools may also use Zybek, which is based in that state.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25087202/beware-pro-daze-numbers-can-lie

It's just a guess, but I think Pro Days are more useful for scouts for guys who didn't participate in the Combine, either due to injury or a lack of an invite, or for those events in which a prospect didn't participate. While I think it's possible for a guy to have a "bad day" at the Combine and make up for it later, there are so many variables that it's hard to sort out the noise from any actual improvement.

mayoclinic · Mar 3, 2015

BB putting a personal appearance at Auburn's pro day, per Mike Loyko on twitter.

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