Aaron Dobson

zoostation said:

. Don't think Tyms will even make the roster, probably him or Boyce on practice squad.

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Tyms cant go on the PS

Tell me what troubles Harvin caused with the Jets?
When did he quit on the field?
When did he throw any of the QBs under the bus to the media?
When did he punch another player on that team?
He punched Golden Tate because Tate is a DB and slept with Wilsons wife.
If anything Harvin did the right thing in my opinion he stood by his Quarterback.
AP would run thru a wall for him as would Lynch.
BB wanted to draft him and loves urban Meyer coached players.
He brings a lot to the offense he makes defenses account for him every snap.
He almost singlehandedly whooped the Broncos d during the Superbowl.
Yeah let's pass on the guy and draft a unproven talent.

Oswlek said:

fWIW, hat was purely speculation, barring Mike packaging inside information as guess work.

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I hear you. If it was Florio I'd dismiss it. Just like I dismissed the Dobson/JMD argument that cited him as a mouthy punk. Who knows what happened when they argued. TB and BOB got into it once. Coaches and players sometimes get into it.

Because he has cred with me, I'm putting some trust in Reiss here. I don't think he'd make that kind of assertion about Dobson unless he received back-channel from someone who is familiar enough with the reasons why Dobson wasn't playing on game days. Could be conditioning because he was hurt. Could be that he was sloppy/not precise in running routes in practice. Could be gameplan-specific/difficulty in absorbing the gameplan/making adjustments. Lots op speculation for sure but what I did find interesting was that after Reiss came out with his speculation (mid-Nov), Dobson was practice player of the week leading up the Packers game. Then he pulled a hammy and landed on IR.

What I do know is that a healthy Dobson is better than Tyms.

Seems that Dobson is working hard this off-season to get in shape and compete in 2015.

ChrisR2223 said:

Yeah let's pass on the guy and draft a unproven talent.

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Exactly,because the only choices they have are Percy "the idiot" Harvin and some draft pick.

Good thing you dont run a football team.

Your entitled to your opinion as I am mine.
Are you honestly saying you wouldn't want Harvin at any cost?

ChrisR2223 said:

Your entitled to your opinion as I am mine.
Are you honestly saying you wouldn't want Harvin at any cost?

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I wouldn't take him for free.

shmessy said:

Harvin? Please no. You would replace Edelman in that goal line lineup?

Why poison a championship lockerroom with a walking time bomb? Who also wants to get paid.....

If we are going to test the salary cap, do it with Revis, McCourty, Gostkowski and a DT. Then draft a slew of OL's. Fix what's broken, don't poison what works.

Percy Harvin is like a third nipple as far as usefulness. And a cancerous one at that.

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Yea im not sure what everyone's fascination with Percy Harvin is... The Vikings got rid of him, the the Seahawks kept him for like what, 1 year after trading draft picks and being stuck with dead money and that didn't stop them from trading him to the Jets... who had him for 1 year and then got rid of him... the Seahawks and Jets are also 2 teams that desperately need a WR.. and they didnt want Harvin anymore...

That says everything I need to know about the guy. Stay away!

ChrisR2223 said:

Your entitled to your opinion as I am mine.
Are you honestly saying you wouldn't want Harvin at any cost?

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All BB ever talks about is building a TEAM, not collecting talent.

You have a piece of garbage like Harvin that has been abandoned by 3 different teams.. the Seahawks gave up a 1st rounder for him, then got rid of him a year later! HELLOOOOO, that should be blasting all sorts of sirens off and triggering red flags.. then hes traded to the Jets for a bag of peanuts and the Jets, who have a HORRENDOUS offense and desperately need playmakers RELEASED HIM

What more do you need to know about the guy... hes a loser... he doesn't play nice with others..he can't get along with coaches/GMs.. and teams in desperate need of offensive talent want nothing to do with him.

I wouldn't bring him in to look at him for vet minimum.

I think our best offensive package on a passing down is LaFell & Dobson, Edelman in the slot, Gronk, and Vereen. Dobson will have a big year in 2015, he's ready & hungry, and Brady will feed him to get him re-introduced to the offense. He can be a very good receiver worthy of his 2nd round status, and over time will compare favorably to Keenan Allen.

i think of anyone on the roster, if Dobson lives up to expctations next year, ,ill be most pleased

I remember this board saying the same things about Moss giving up on routes, not going full strength.
Only playing when the ball is for him.
Just saying I wouldn't count it out.

ChrisR2223 said:

I remember this board saying the same things about Moss giving up on routes, not going full strength.
Only playing when the ball is for him.
Just saying I wouldn't count it out.

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Moss was perhaps the best WR of all time who hadn't just been dumped by two WR needy teams in the past year.

Not very comparable, IMO.

robertweathers said:

Dobson has more talent and physical ability. Thats it.

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Yet AD was a healthy scratch while KT played for weeks before KT was claimed off waivers when they tried to get him over to the PS.

n6249c said:

Yet AD was a healthy scratch while KT played for weeks before KT was claimed off waivers when they tried to get him over to the PS.

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A) There is some debate as to how healthy Dobson actually was.

B) KT had also been a healthy scratch in that stretch, albeit not as often as Dobson.

C) The team actually released KT, so it seems pretty clear who they preferred. Time will tell if they were right.

ChrisR2223 said:

Your entitled to your opinion as I am mine.
Are you honestly saying you wouldn't want Harvin at any cost?

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I'd say that. He's been run out of town in too many places already for me to welcome him here.

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...enbrell-thompkins-on-patriots-practice-squad/

Oswlek said:

A) There is some debate as to how healthy Dobson actually was.

B) KT had also been a healthy scratch in that stretch, albeit not as often as Dobson.

C) The team actually released KT, so it seems pretty clear who they preferred. Time will tell if they were right.

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Re a, open question, we'll never know.
Re b, shows the two were on equal footing, AD no clear edge. KT was getting more time, perhaps due to your pt a.
Re c, check link above. With AD health etc seemed KT would be more likely to clear waivers. I was sorry to see him go, would have been happier to see him stick around and Dobson go. As things turned out I think KT would've made more contributions to the team in the rest of the year than Dobson did.

Great to hear that Dobson is working hard on improving his health. Hopefully he's successful and he can produce for this team.

At any rate, I would love to see a WR added who can leap above the rest and become a player that other teams have to legitimately account for .... double cover even. That way I won't be so concerned should Gronk not be able to play and the opposing team easily blanket covers the WR's we now have which would then expose our suspect running attack. Against the better defenses of top teams this would be troublesome.

Or, I would love to see the Pats add another Gronk at the TE spot instead. However, the chances of finding such a TE is practically non existent.

n6249c said:

http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...enbrell-thompkins-on-patriots-practice-squad/



Re a, open question, we'll never know.
Re b, shows the two were on equal footing, AD no clear edge. KT was getting more time, perhaps due to your pt a.
Re c, check link above. With AD health etc seemed KT would be more likely to clear waivers. I was sorry to see him go, would have been happier to see him stick around and Dobson go. As things turned out I think KT would've made more contributions to the team in the rest of the year than Dobson did.

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B) Agreed, that was my point. Your post implied (to me) that KT was far ahead of Aaron.

C) Can't argue that KT wouldn't have done more. I also agree that waivers was part of the decision making (as I said earlier in this thread). But the fact is that if KT was that much further ahead of Dobson, he wouldn't have been released. They could have easily just put Aaron on IR earlier. Or released someone else at the bottom of the roster. All signs point toward fans having a higher opinion of KT than the FO did.

n6249c said:

Yet AD was a healthy scratch while KT played for weeks before KT was claimed off waivers when they tried to get him over to the PS.

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Dobson may very well have not been healthy at the time. KT peaked early in 2013 then had issues with injuries and didn't do anything more. Dobson was having a better year later into the season.

Kdo5 said:

Dobson may very well have not been healthy at the time. KT peaked early in 2013 then had issues with injuries and didn't do anything more. Dobson was having a better year later into the season.

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I think the choice between KT and AD pretty much came down more to KT's abilities. I think he peaked too. I think the Patriots also believed that. He was an older rookie and was already physically fully developed for the most part. I think after the off season program they saw that he was all he is ever going to be.

A meh outside WR that doesn't play STs. That with Lafell who is already better than KT and Dobson who was before his injury and still has upside I think it came down to "do I really want a 3rd outside WR with no STs ability that has peaked and just average"?

Say what you will about Tyms but at least he plays STs well and ideally would almost never see the field anyway.