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Though not division III, this did make me think of the 2005 double-dip of Logan Mankins at 32 and Toledo's Nick Kaczur at 100 with a 3rd round comp pick...

…and in a somewhat different way, I thought of last year's draft, when Bill could've had (since he was looking at OL at that spot) McGill's Laurent Duvernay-Tardif as a developmental LT at 179, instead of
the predictably useless slob Halapio.

Edit: Patchick, you beat me to the Halapio reference. I stopped at the post I quoted, then had to leave for a couple of hours; when I returned a few minutes ago and posted the above, another 20+ had been added.
It seems that great minds think alike…or is it that fools seldom differ?
 
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…and in a somewhat different way, I thought of last year's draft, when Bill could've had (since he was looking at OL at that spot) McGill's Laurent Duvernay-Tardif as a developmental LT at 179, instead of
the predictably useless slob Halapio.

Eh, I don't imagine that Duvernay-Tardif (who played zero snaps as a rookie) would have made the roster anyway, since he's no guard and they had plenty of tackles.
 
Just a thought. Isn't Marcus Hardison a pretty much perfect Seattle Seahawks fit?
 
You mean Marcus Hardison out of ASU? I wouldn't draft that bum with a free draft pick. Infact, I overheard him talking all kinds of trash about the Seahawks, and more specifically, his complete and utter hatred of Pete Carroll. It's true! He even called him a "hippie deadhead that couldn't coach his way out of a phone booth."

If I were Carroll, or anyone from the Seahawks organization who just so happens to read this forum, I wouldn't waste my time even scouting that idiot.
 
You mean Marcus Hardison out of ASU? I wouldn't draft that bum with a free draft pick. Infact, I overheard him talking all kinds of trash about the Seahawks, and more specifically, his complete and utter hatred of Pete Carroll. It's true! He even called him a "hippie deadhead that couldn't coach his way out of a phone booth."

If I were Carroll, or anyone from the Seahawks organization who just so happens to read this forum, I wouldn't waste my time even scouting that idiot.

Honestly. Im in love with Hardison. However, I think we might be getting a little worried about where he may be drafted. At this point, he is still a very underrated and fairly unknown prospect. Lets hope it stays this way.
I personally think Seattles drafting is a little overrated. They had a few good drafts in 10-12 where there prospects ended up being great players, however last years draft was a disaster for them, and the year before that wasn't any better. You can't deny their ability to get the most out of their players, however, i don't feel we need to fear their draft ability as much as most of seem to. Who knows I could be wrong, or maybe I just don't like Seattle. With that being said, I still feel they're an over rated team.

PS. lets hope they're actually stupid enough to give their extremely overrated mobile OB, a long term FULLY GUARANTEED contract. Please do that Seattle, please. Wilson and his knee's would instantly become the target of every team, and every player, for the remainder of that contract.
 
Eh, I don't imagine that Duvernay-Tardif (who played zero snaps as a rookie) would have made the roster anyway, since he's no guard and they had plenty of tackles.

They had plenty of Right Tackles maybe, but Nobody at Left Tackle.
Besides, I wanted Antone Exum at 179, then LDT at 198 and WR Jeff Janis at 206.
 
I'm coming back to where it started Guessing we release VW and want Goldman-DT. Run stopper. Think I can get a guard at 64.
 
I'm coming back to where it started Guessing we release VW and want Goldman-DT. Run stopper. Think I can get a guard at 64.

I'm ok with that if Goldman is available at 32, but I still want Hardison. I suspect Goldman will be of the board, and I'm fine with Ellis McCarthy or maybe Deon Simon.
 
I'm coming back to where it started Guessing we release VW and want Goldman-DT. Run stopper. Think I can get a guard at 64.

As much as I love Big Vince, it's not as much as I love production and results. The truth is, his oproduction has taken a pretty big dive, at a position that is very important to the success of the team.
Truth is, this is way too sweat of DT/NT free agency to still have him on the books for even as low as 4 million. We can easily get two players at his position that would offer both depth, rotational players, and players that would allow us to run our 4-3/ 3-4 hybrid with better success.

At 27 years old, he young and has only look to improve in the next 5 years of his prime. He offers the ability to effectually play in both a 3-4 and 4-3, Dan Williams could easily be had for 6-8 million a season. Probably more towards the 6 million range.
Dan Williams at 6 a season,. Then you use the remainder to sign either BJ Raji, or Kenrick Ellis.
Regardless of what happens, I still think the team should pursue Kenrick Ellis.

Here is a piece Bleacherreport had on him last week.

"The Pats and New York Jets have had a rich history of poaching each others' rosters, and Kenrick Ellis could represent the next step in that saga. Ellis isn't a particularly big name, as the 27-year-old nose tackle has seen his path to playing time blocked in New York's excellent defensive line.

However, the former third-rounder is a true run-stuffer at 6'5" and 345 pounds, the type of player who could replace Vince Wilfork's beef in the middle if the Patriots part with their defensive captain. Pro Football Focus highlighted Ellis in its Secret Superstar series before the 2014 season, with Nathan Jahnke noting how Ellis has excelled despite limited snaps:

Despite never playing more than 16 snaps against the run in a game all season, he definitely made the most of his opportunity. In his first game despite playing just 18 snaps, he had three highly-graded plays thanks to beating his block to make run stops. There was not a single game where he had a negative rating in run defense all season.

He ended up making 17 run stops on 114 run snaps on the season, which gave him a Run Stop Percentage of 14.9%. Over the last six years, John Henderson in 2010 was the only defensive or nose tackle with at least 100 snaps against the run and a better Run Stop Percentage.

Ellis' 2014 campaign essentially mirrored the 2013 season that Jahnke outlined. Despite playing just 158 total defensive snaps, Ellis had six run stops and a plus-2.3 run grade. With Damon Harrison entrenched at nose tackle, Ellis and the Jets appear likely to part ways this offseason.

That could provide an opening for the Patriots, who would certainly provide Ellis more playing time if they deem him an acceptable cheaper alternative to Wilfork. Ellis may be a pure two-down player, but the dimension he does provide could be an area of need this offseason."

Clearly a great prospect that could be had at a fairly cost effective price.

Or we could go for a combination of Jared Odrick and BJ raj, and probably free up a little cap space in the process.
All of these players can effectively play in bot 3-4 and 4-3 schemes.

Sorry Vince, its been nice having you, but its time to go.
 
I'm ok with that if Goldman is available at 32, but I still want Hardison. I suspect Goldman will be of the board, and I'm fine with Ellis McCarthy or maybe Deon Simon.

I'm content to shoot a double up the gap picking at 32. CBS now has Goldman at 31. With a red flag. I'm guessing that's the injury he suffered in the Ga Tech game. The injury is why he had a lacklustre Rose Bowl. Maybe, we'll get lucky. Can't always go for the HR. I think we kinda did that last year with Easley and Jimmy G. I'd love to walk away from the first two rounds with 2 DL who can play. Then, worry about the offense.
 
I'm content to shoot a double up the gap picking at 32. CBS now has Goldman at 31. With a red flag. I'm guessing that's the injury he suffered in the Ga Tech game. The injury is why he had a lacklustre Rose Bowl. Maybe, we'll get lucky. Can't always go for the HR. I think we kinda did that last year with Easley and Jimmy G. I'd love to walk away from the first two rounds with 2 DL who can play. Then, worry about the offense.

He also came in overweight at the combine and then didn't perform. That's a red flag that needs monitoring too.
 
He also came in overweight at the combine and then didn't perform. That's a red flag that needs monitoring too.

Fat guys don't do well with leg injuries.
 
After Hardison's combine today, the 49ers at 46 might be a worry. tony Pauline reported their interest and they have Justin Smith to replace. An upside pick like Hardison seems right up their street.

Who else would we have to worry about? Seahawks? Falcons (Hardison/Hageman would be an interesting combination).
 
Around 31 other teams if we talking a good quality DT in second round ;)
 
After Hardison's combine today, the 49ers at 46 might be a worry. tony Pauline reported their interest and they have Justin Smith to replace. An upside pick like Hardison seems right up their street.

Who else would we have to worry about? Seahawks? Falcons (Hardison/Hageman would be an interesting combination).

For now I'm sticking with Hardison at 64 (or thereabouts) and a trade up in the 3rd for Marpet as the core of my personal draft approach. Those are still the 2 guys I really want.

It's a bit early to assess how high Hardison will rise. I could see the 49ers being interested, but I could also easily see them preferring a true 5-tech like Henry Anderson, who's numbers compare well with Hardison's:

Height: Anderson 6' 6 2/8" / Hardison 6' 3"
Weight: Anderson 294# / Hardison 305# (Pro Day; 307# Combine; 311# Senior Bowl)
Arm Length: Anderson 33 1/2" / Hardison 33 1/2"
40: Anderson 4.97 / Hardison 4.84
10-split: Anderson 1.74 / Hardison 1.70
SS: Anderson 4.19 / Hardison 4.68
3C: Anderson 7.20 / Hardison 7.29
VJ: Anderson 30" / Hardison 25.5"
BJ: Anderson 9'3" / Hardison 8'11"

Arik Amstead, Xavier Cooper and Mario Edwards could also be options. Cooper's Combine measurables were also quite comparable to Harrison's pro day results (4.86 40, 1.70 10-split, 4.37 SS, 7.23 3C).
 
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Around 31 other teams if we talking a good quality DT in second round ;)


well that's true but there are teams you can reasonably rule out. The Jets for example have Richardson/Wilkerson and needs in other areas. The Bills are loaded on the DL and likely won't spend their first pick on another. He doesn't fit the Steelers two gap 3-4 etc.
 
For now I'm sticking with Hardison at 64 (or thereabouts) and a trade up in the 3rd for Marpet as the core of my personal draft approach. Those are still the 2 guys I really want.

It's a bit early to assess how high Hardison will rise. I could see the 49ers being interested, but I could also easily see them preferring a true 5-tech like Henry Anderson, who's numbers compare well with Hardison's:

Height: Anderson 6' 6 2/8" / Hardison 6' 3"
Weight: Anderson 294# / Hardison 305# (Pro Day; 307# Combine; 311# Senior Bowl)
Arm Length: Anderson 33 1/2" / Hardison 33 1/2"
40: Anderson 4.97 / Hardison 4.84
10-split: Anderson 1.74 / Hardison 1.70
SS: Anderson 4.19 / Hardison 4.68
3C: Anderson 7.20 / Hardison 7.29
VJ: Anderson 30" / Hardison 25.5"
BJ: Anderson 9'3" / Hardison 8'11"

I'm less concerned about Marpet because I'm probably targeting Fisher/Erving/Clemmings at 32. Trade up for Hardison in rnd 2, draft Terry Williams in the 7th, sign Pierre Thomas, draft a combination of Smelter, Mcbride, Waller and job done.

BTW - It-s undersized and a long-shot but can you imagine a 1-gap 3-4 of Hardison- Terry Williams - Easley in a couple of years if they all live up to their upside?
 
well that's true but there are teams you can reasonably rule out. The Jets for example have Richardson/Wilkerson and needs in other areas. The Bills are loaded on the DL and likely won't spend their first pick on another. He doesn't fit the Steelers two gap 3-4 etc.

Right now there are a lot of potential day 2 DTs or 5-Tech DEs:

- Any of Goldman, Brown or Phillips could slip
- Carl Davis
- Arik Armstead
- Michael Bennett
- Henry Anderson
- Mario Edwards
- Xavier Cooper
- Marcus Hardison

Different styles. I'm not sure that Hardison has leapfrogged Amstead, Davis or Anderson as a 5-tech prospect, or Bennett or Cooper as a 3-Tech. He may end up doing so, but it's a bit early to tell, IMO.
 


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