Would Reggie Bush Fit With the Patriots? (Sign the Beast VII)

I guess RB would be an ok replacement for SV if they cant work it out but I would take SV all day over RB if the money and contracts were close.

Their stats are not all that dissimilar and if SV got the touches RB got he would have about 900 yeards a season rushing. I am not saying he might not break in the process but their gains are close.

If you have to give a deal to one guy its SV all day. Several years younger and entering his prime. I dont see how RB would be an upgrade unless its a one year deal and he is healthy.

Bruins29 said:

I guess RB would be an ok replacement for SV if they cant work it out but I would take SV all day over RB if the money and contracts were close.

Their stats are not all that dissimilar and if SV got the touches RB got he would have about 900 yeards a season rushing. I am not saying he might not break in the process but their gains are close.

If you have to give a deal to one guy its SV all day. Several years younger and entering his prime. I dont see how RB would be an upgrade unless its a one year deal and he is healthy.

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I like Vereen as a Patriot player but I will never overrate him he's a Terrible Runner to put it nicely. He gives us barely anything in the running game now as a Receiver thats a different story. P.s. Roy Helu who's a similar player is also a FA I don't see much of a dropoff from Vereen to him.

PatsFan2 said:

I like Vereen as a Patriot player but I will never overrate him he's a Terrible Runner to put it nicely. He gives us barely anything in the running game now as a Receiver thats a different story. P.s. Roy Helu who's a similar player is also a FA I don't see much of a dropoff from Vereen to him.

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Yeah, I think the advantage Bush gives you is that the O is probably a bit more hard to predict with him back there. Still, if we have to go 3 years with one of them, I would rather have the guy with less miles, and 5 years younger because as much as their injuries have been similar Bush is entering dangerous years.

Lets see if we can keep SV first Or even want to.

varjao said:

yes, even if we use him only in Vereen's role, catching passes and a run here and there, that would maximize his chances to stay healthy. By the way I like Vereen but I can't see him rushing for 1000 yards.

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Vereen has 907 yards rushing in four years. Sometimes, we really over-rate our players because they are on a great team. He's a soft runner. Has had trouble staying on the field. He's a 1.5-2m back. That's it.

patsfaninpa said:

Vereen has 907 yards rushing in four years. Sometimes, we really over-rate our players because they are on a great team. He's a soft runner. Has had trouble staying on the field. He's a 1.5-2m back. That's it.

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Who is over rating him? The guy has been clutch as what he does and was huge in the SB. 11 catches?

Bruins29 said:

Who is over rating him? The guy has been clutch as what he does and was huge in the SB. 11 catches?

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Our board over-rates him. He's not a 3m player. Danny Woodhead was just as good in SB 46. There are many backs in the NFL who can do what he did. The subject of this thread is one of them. And, if we can get Bush at less money we should.

Bruins29 said:

Who is over rating him? The guy has been clutch as what he does and was huge in the SB. 11 catches?

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yes, he was very good in that one game. He was also very good in week 1 in 2013 and the Texans playoff game but that's three games in 4 years. Plus he's only on the field for something like 40% of the offensive snaps.

Gronkandez said:

yes, he was very good in that one game. He was also very good in week 1 in 2013 and the Texans playoff game but that's three games in 4 years. Plus he's only on the field for something like 40% of the offensive snaps.

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What % of plays are 3rd down backs supposed to play?

Bruins29 said:

What % of plays are 3rd down backs supposed to play?

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my point is one needs to take that into consideration when determining his worth/importance to the team. He's basically a one-trick pony as a receiver out of the backfield. Many 3rd down backs play ST, such as returning punts.

Would it shock you if I prefer Bush for 2 years rather than Gaffney?

The question is price.

We aren't discussing our long-term solution at RB. There is room for mid-priced veterans, on both side of 30.

SacPete1 said:

Regardless of what happens to Vereen, I don't see Bush here. Wrong side of 30, injury history and I doubt the Patriots would offer anything close to what some other team will.

Tyler Gaffney and James White - unproven, potential, cheap, young. I'm looking forward to seeing them on Sundays.

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1) I prefer Vereen, but he may be too expensive.

2) We don't know Bush's price; he may be too expensive.

3) Can be block? Can he pick up the blitz? Maybe this isn't critical elsewhere; it is for the patriots.

Bush can't hold Vereen's jock strap. He's one of the most overrated backs ever to play in the NFL.

pheenix11 said:

Bush can't hold Vereen's jock strap. He's one of the most overrated backs ever to play in the NFL.

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LOL!

if (vereen's contract < 3 mill AAV) { sign vereen}
else if (reggie bush's contract < 2 mill AAV) {sign bush}
else { start james white era}

pheenix11 said:

Vereen can't hold Bush's jock strap. He's one of the most overrated backs ever to play in the NFL.

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There fixed it for ya.

pheenix11 said:

Bush can't hold Vereen's jock strap. He's one of the most overrated backs ever to play in the NFL.

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This is pretty comical, Vereen is certainly one of the best pass catching backs in the NFL but unless he goes to a Kubiak/Shannahan running scheme that any back succeeds in he will never put up half of Bush's rushing numbers in a season.

I'd still prefer Vereen back over Bush due to age and the fact that we already know Vereen WILL work in our system as he's proven, and the fact that it's pretty much a guaranteed pass play with Vereen behind Brady hasn't hurt us too much anyways.

pheenix11 said:

Bush can't hold Vereen's jock strap. He's one of the most overrated backs ever to play in the NFL.

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In the last 4 years Bush has 3375 rushing yards with 18 TDs as well as 1347 receiving yards and 6 TDs. In the same time Vereen has 907 yards with 7 TDs rushing and 1023 yards and 7 TDs receiving.

Armchair Quarterback said:

In the last 4 years Bush has 3375 rushing yards with 18 TDs as well as 1347 receiving yards and 6 TDs. In the same time Vereen has 907 yards with 7 TDs rushing and 1023 yards and 7 TDs receiving.

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Bush - 742 attempts
SV - 217 attempts extrapolate out to 742 = 3600 yards - more than Bush


last 3 years

Bush 188 targets - 1051 yards
SV - 159 targets - 1053 yards

Bush 30 years old
SV 25 years old

Fits our system

SV YES
RB ?

Bruins29 said:

Bush - 742 attempts
SV - 217 attempts extrapolate out to 742 = 3600 yards - more than Bush


last 3 years

Bush 188 targets - 1051 yards
SV - 159 targets - 1053 yards

Bush 30 years old
SV 25 years old

Fits our system

SV YES
RB ?

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Context. I was responding to the poster who made the assertion that Bush isn't fit to hold Vereen's jock despite out gaining him by 2800 yards and 10 TD's in the last four years alone. Talking real life accomplishments, not made up extrapolated ones.

I'm not the world's biggest Reggie Bush fan by a long shot but people are making some pretty silly statements when discussing the two backs. Not wanting to sign Reggie Bush because he's injury prone but wanting to keep Vereen as if he's not is another good one.

Funny how Bush's (1985) age gets rounded up to 30 while Vereen's (1989) stays at 25 even though they share a March 2nd birthday.

Having Vereen back would be nice but he's far from irreplaceable. If he wants too much money there are other backs available that can block, catch and run. Bush is just one of them. People seem to always lose perspective when discussing Vereen as if his skill set is a one in a million thing.

Armchair Quarterback said:

Context. I was responding to the poster who made the assertion that Bush isn't fit to hold Vereen's jock despite out gaining him by 2800 yards and 10 TD's in the last four years alone. Talking real life accomplishments, not made up extrapolated ones.

I'm not the world's biggest Reggie Bush fan by a long shot but people are making some pretty silly statements when discussing the two backs. Not wanting to sign Reggie Bush because he's injury prone but wanting to keep Vereen as if he's not is another good one.

Funny how Bush's (1985) age gets rounded up to 30 while Vereen's (1989) stays at 25 even though they share a March 2nd birthday.

Having Vereen back would be nice but he's far from irreplaceable. If he wants too much money there are other backs available that can block, catch and run. Bush is just one of them. People seem to always lose perspective when discussing Vereen as if his skill set is a one in a million thing.

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I agree his skill set is not unique but he does a lot of receiving and this isnt exactly the easiest system to grasp. Also, I dont look at rushing numbers anyway that much here since its not a 3rd down back specialty although Bush is pretty good at both.

Whatever ages 4 years or 5 years difference that is big when we are talking about a running back.