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Multiple receivers had a decent to good game, and Edelman's game wasn't THAT amazing. So it's Brady over Edelman in the MVP standings.

If Edelman had had a PR TD, it might have been a different story.
 
Butler replacing Arrington was huge, but so were a lot of other players. Brady is the only QB in the league who seems to be able to tear apart Seattle's defense, so that alone is MVP worthy. Add the best comeback in Super Bowl history on top of that. The MVP is really obvious at this point.
 
If Edelman had had a PR TD, it might have been a different story.

Yes. If Edelman had made major contributions on STs, then the argument as to which offensive player is most deserving might be trumped by that.
 
I don't know if Butler played on all 4 special team units but he only played on defense mid 3rd quarter on after Arrington was benched. He absolutely balled though. Great points on Brady. He played magnificent! He gets my MVP.

Had Seattle won I would have given it to Michael Bennett. He was unblockable and a one man wrecking crew. If he's not in the game they get no pressure and the Patriots don't punt.
 
Brady deserved it. I think he is the only qb to throw 300 yrds and 4 tds against Seattle in the last 3 years. His qb rating was also over 100, so it was a great game especially with those 2 scoring drives in the 4rth quarter.
 
#12 without a doubt, down by 10 points in the fourth quarter he leads two TD drives and was 13/15 for 125 yards... and during these drives was a sack and a penalty.. .this is remarkable and solidifies him as the greatest qb of all time.. and the MVP of this game.. did not mention drawing offsides of the Seattle Defense in the very last possession..

All of this against the best defense in the league..

While Gronk, Edelman and Butler all deserve kudo's Brady was the one who engineered all of this and made it possible..
 
Brady dropped back more than 50 times against a historically great defense and made a single mistake (the second pick was a great play by Wagner). If you don't think he played a great game, you either don't understand the game or have unreasonably high expectations. Edelman was magnificent and also would have been a worthy choice. Butler had some nice pass breakups, but you basically be giving him the MVP for one play, great as it was.
 
Brady got MVP in SB 36 for that final clutch drive so there is precedent for one guy to win it based on coming through in a big spot like Butler did.... But Brady was the right choice imo.
 
No. Outside of one ill advised throw and one INT that was a result of excellent baiting (meaning **** happens), Brady absolutely shredded one of the better defenses of the last decade or so in the world's biggest stage. Brady is the undisputed MVP of that game.
 
But I still don't think this was a great game for Brady except for the 4th quarter.

This is a good point, but at the same time if you take away the 4th quarter for Butler...the argument for him getting the MVP isn't strong. You can't just strip out an entire quarter of the game for one player and not take it away for others. In addition, even if you DO just strip out Brady's contributions in the 4th quarter: They lose and Butler is not in the position to be a hero.

And while you "feel like" what Butler did was unprecedented, Brady ACTUALLY did something unprecedented by completing the most passes in a Super Bowl. Against the league's top defense, no less.
 
with respect to the Original Post.

Brady deserved MVP. He was insanely good.

Butler did deserve the MVP for Most Valuable Play, but not Player
 
The MVP for the Super Bowl was presumably between Brady, Edelman, Gronk and Butler, with Brady winning it.

But I still don't think this was a great game for Brady except for the 4th quarter. I don't think you can give the MVP to a QB who gives up two picks like that. In fact, a good portion of his long passes were picks. I'm sick of people choosing the best plays of a QB and forgetting picks - one key reason I thought Dilfer was undervalued even though he had zero post-season turnovers in his SB win.

Edelman was spectacular, and Gronk too. Vereen was critical as well.

Still, I think the MVP should have gone to Butler for two very simple reasons:

1. Without Butler's interception, the Patriots would have almost certainly lost the game.

2. I don't think any other player would have made that play. I've still never seen any play like that. It's a huge gamble by the cornerback, and I think most corners are conditioned not to take such a gamble. And the explosiveness off the line was unreal.

Now, if you want to give the MVP to Brady for being the MVP of the *season*, well, that's reasonable. But for the game itself, I feel like what Butler did was unprecedented. (I asked in another thread if anyone had seen an interception as athletically and timing-wise as shocking, nobody had.)

Without brady's 4 td passes, the patriots would have gotten blown out.

You cant let one play dictate an award like that. Brady was clutch for 98% of the game, throwing 1 really bad interception, and then a second pretty not good one.

Butler made an incredible play, but it was just one play. Brady put on a clinic.
 
No quarterback has ever brought their team back down 14 points in the fourth quarter in the big game. Brady went 13-15 during that quarter and 8-8 during the patriot's last drive. And I don't care about the interceptions. Anyone who has watched Brady this year knows that he has reached a stage in his career where he still plays great but he throws one stupid interception every couple games. Brady deserved the mvp because against that defense I'm not sure if any other quarterback could have made history by coming back from a 14 point deficit that late in the game. If you know of one I would be happy to hear it.
 
Butler made an incredible play, but it was just one play. Brady put on a clinic.

It was more than a play, it was the whole last series. He defended a pass, he got Kearse out of bounds before he could stand up and get in the end zone, and then he intercepted the slant rout. I would have to go back and watch the whole series again (and the TV camera angles probably wouldn't tell me enough), but I am pretty sure that Butler was the key on more than one play in that series. It's easy to overlook the earlier plays, because that last one was so huge.

That said, Brady as MVP is the only choice. While it is nice to say it was truly a team effort, you have to give it to the leader of the team and he does make everyone else around him better - Edelman, Vereen, Amendola, Gronk, and LaFell. So, I have no issues with Brady getting the MVP, but Butler was all over the place on the defensive side of the ball on that last drive.
 
Brady. Not close - and I'm someone who wishes QBs got less of the glory than they always do.

107 PR, 330 yards, 37-for-50, 4 tds to 4 different receivers - and all that against the Legion of Boom. Unprecedented against that team. And in the dark spots of the second half, when more than half the people in the game thread had surrendered (yeah, I know, that's not really a high bar there), Brady put the team on his back and carried them home. It was a performance for the ages by a quarterback the likes of whom we'll probably never see again.

This might have been the greatest moment of Tom Brady's career, and I think we all know where that career ranks.

(But Butler deserved the truck - and what he really deserves is to get a shot to build a great career of his own. Kid's got game.)
 
Butler made an MVP type play, but Brady was the MVP. Against the #1 defense he had 300+ yards and 4 TDs. Not to mention 2 TDs in the 4th. All the credit and love to Butler but i give it to Brady.
 
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