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2015 Draft Prospect Thread


For those that don't know, mockdraftable.com is a site that compares combine performances from all combine participants since 1999. It's a lot of fun to mess around with.

As but one example . . . to whom does Julian Edelman best compare?

Deion Branch. :)
 
Any thought's on Preston Smith? Was solid in Senior Bowl practices and had a decent combine.
 

Hunter always appealed to me as a Jones type. Great length and wingspan, can clog the passing lanes, great edge setter, fluid in space, able to play inside or drop into space. That's why I had him pegged all along as a good fit. Like Jones, where he's lacking is his pure pass rushing speed off the edge. That seems to be more a factor of his reaction time than anything else, as his 4.57 40 and 1.58 10-split were quite fast. Jones had a 4.77 40 and 1.66 10-split. I likened Hunter to something in between Jones and Jamie Collins in terms of his athleticism and explosiveness. I still like him the best of the EDGE prospects in this draft, including Dupree and Diggy.

The other guy I like is Max Valles. Here's a comparison of Valles and Jones:

Height: Valles 6' 4 1/2" / Jones 6' 5 3/8"
Weight: Valles 252# / Jones 266#
Arm Length: Valles 32 5/8" / Jones 35 1/2" (Hunter has 34 1/2" arms, BTW)
40: Valles 4.83/ Jones 4.77
10-split: Valles 1.68 / Jones 1.66
SS: Valles 4.37 / Jones 4.38
3C: Valles 7.59 (ouch!) / Jones 7.07
VJ: Valles 36.5" / Jones 35"
BJ: Valles 10' 1" / Jones 10' 0"

Except for Valles' horrible 3-cone, he didn't too that terribly. His short arms aren't ideal. But as a day 3 option, he's still on my list. I believe Virginia's pro day is next week.
 
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BTW, Here's Lance Zierlein's report on Valles:
STRENGTHS
Long frame with room for more weight. Plays with consistent bend and good pad level. Uses leverage and snap in his hips to withstand power against much larger blockers at point of attack. Played with a hand down and as a stand-up outside 'backer. Has all the tools to become a good edge-setter as a pro. Shows ability to see past a blocker and win quickly with his hands. Too strong for most tight ends to block. Has plus burst to the ball when it is in his sights. Plays with speed and single-minded focus once he cuts it loose. Has athleticism to dip shoulder and turn a tight corner as pass rusher. Rare timing to deflect passes at line of scrimmage, batting down 13 passes over last two seasons, including 9 in 2014.

WEAKNESSES
Extremely raw. In need of more experience and more coaching. Shows very little instinct as a defensive end or linebacker and takes longer than desired to process what he sees. Won't always pursue the ball carrier with revved motor. Florida State tight end Nick O'Leary kept him blocked all game long. Lack of instincts and feel prevents him from utilizing proper footwork and angles to attempt tackles at times. Sack total skewed. Vast majority of sacks did not come with a win against a tackle.

SOURCES TELL US
"He's an athlete and not a football player right now. If it starts to click for him and he starts to put the tape work together with the talent -- look out, buddy. If it doesn't click, you've got a backup defensive end." -- AFC defensive line coach

NFL COMPARISON
Aaron Lynch

BOTTOM LINE
Redshirt sophomore who relies solely on his outstanding athleticism and physical tools rather than an understanding of how to play the game. If Valles can improve his football intelligence while becoming a more skilled pass rusher, then he should be able to unlock his starter's traits and become a quality NFL edge player. In the short term, Valles will require patience and might not be much of a factor in Year 1.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/max-valles?id=2552685

A work in progress, but with starting LDE potential.
 
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Here's Lance Zierlein's report on Danielle Hunter:
STRENGTHS
Freakish combination of size, athleticism and explosiveness. Has long arms with jarring power behind his hands. When technique is right, he can stack and overpower tackles at point of attack. Fluid and agile in space. Uses length to bat down passes and disrupt the passing lane. Flashes winning spin move in pass rush, but needs to learn to set it up better. Uses arm-over inside move to set up tackles for loss. High-end tackle production for his position. Secondary motor to pursue and speed to chase leads to more tackle opportunities. Lead all SEC defensive linemen in "stuffs" (tackles for no gain or loss of yards) with 17. Active and energetic at all times. Continues to work to improve position vs. run and pass. Off-field character considered "squeaky clean" by NFL scouts. Has speed and agility to become special-teams star early in his career.

WEAKNESSES
Relies heavily on his athleticism and motor over skill and instincts. Pass-rush production doesn't match the traits. Played 80 percent of the defensive snaps in 2014, managing just 1.5 sacks. Doesn't have the upfield burst and bend to turn the corner. Considered a "thinker" as a pass rusher rather than a naturally instinctive reactor. Must show he can effectively counter as a pass rusher. Has winning power in hands, but inconsistent with how he uses them against run and pass. Scouts want to see more competitive nastiness from him.

SOURCES TELL US
"If he walked into your living room, your eyes would pop out of your head. He looks that good on the hoof. He's going to blow up the combine, and then ace all of the interviews and NFL teams are going to fall in love with him. He still needs someone to unlock all that talent, though." -- Former LSU coach

NFL COMPARISON

Jason Pierre-Paul

BOTTOM LINE
Hunter isn't as heavy as Jason Pierre-Paul, but he has similar length, explosiveness and potential. The concern with Hunter is that his pass-rush instincts are marginal and he hasn't learned to use his physical advantages to rush the quarterback more consistently. Hunter's floor is high thanks to his overwhelming physical traits and motor, but his ceiling will only go as high as the level of coaching he is able to incorporate.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/danielle-hunter?id=2552603

I wouldn't take Hunter in the 1st, but I think he would be a great day 2 trade back option.
 
For those interested in off the line LBs, is ben heeney of any interest to you? He was a 3 year starter, team captain, special teamer as well. His movement skills are actually elite for LB position, measuring 2nd all time in the Short shuttle and 3 cone.

Hes undersized at 6'1 230, but for the type of LB we will seem to need next to Collins/hightower/Mayo, he could be a nice cheap replacement for what Casillas brought this year.

Its hard to get a grasp for how good he is from tape since his team was terrible, but he was seemingly in on every play. I think his lack of strength shows up in some missed tackles, but a pretty intriguing 5-7rnd guy who could break the 53. Belichick has definitely looked at guys like him before, from Beauharnais (slower, less athletic) Koutivides (slower, less athletic) or Woodyard (faster, less movement), its just a matter if they are looking at that 4th linebacking position as a more specialty role.
 
For those interested in off the line LBs, is ben heeney of any interest to you? He was a 3 year starter, team captain, special teamer as well. His movement skills are actually elite for LB position, measuring 2nd all time in the Short shuttle and 3 cone.

Hes undersized at 6'1 230, but for the type of LB we will seem to need next to Collins/hightower/Mayo, he could be a nice cheap replacement for what Casillas brought this year.

Its hard to get a grasp for how good he is from tape since his team was terrible, but he was seemingly in on every play. I think his lack of strength shows up in some missed tackles, but a pretty intriguing 5-7rnd guy who could break the 53. Belichick has definitely looked at guys like him before, from Beauharnais (slower, less athletic) Koutivides (slower, less athletic) or Woodyard (faster, less movement), its just a matter if they are looking at that 4th linebacking position as a more specialty role.


Yes, yes, yes!

I'm the only one who's been talking about him. Should be an excellent special teamer and hopefully a backup that can be built up in the weight room and developed. Put up Luke Kuechly like numbers at the combine and near Luke Kuechly like stats in his senior season. Needs to be able to take on blockers better but has excellent instincts for the position.
 
Any thought's on Preston Smith? Was solid in Senior Bowl practices and had a decent combine.

His measurements and combine performance are almost exactly the same as Chandler Jones. I'll put Smith's numbers down. Then a slash with Chandlers.

Ht 6'5"/6'5"
Wt 271/266
Arms 34"/35 1/2"
Hands 10 5/8 / 9 3/4
40 4.74/4.87
Bench 24/22
Vert 34/35
Broad 121/120
3 Cone 7.07/7.07
20 yard shuttle 4.28/4.38

I like Smith a little more than Hunter because I want my LDE to have a little junk in the trunk. Don't want some skinny dude opposite Chander Jones. Because Chandler struggles at the POA at times. I feel more technique issues than anything. Gets lax in his run defense. I think they might make a pretty good combo. Would love to get Goldman in the first and Smith in the 2nd.
 
Yes, yes, yes!

I'm the only one who's been talking about him. Should be an excellent special teamer and hopefully a backup that can be built up in the weight room and developed. Put up Luke Kuechly like numbers at the combine and near Luke Kuechly like stats in his senior season. Needs to be able to take on blockers better but has excellent instincts for the position.

Watching Paul Dawson tape, many people were raving how quick he was to the ball, and how he should blow up the combine. I find Heeney's tape far more impressive for his ability to make his way to the ball carrier, but his combine cemented those details.

Again, definitely underdized and not a perfect tackler, but for some of the top 2 round guys at the position, I would save my firepower and look at this guy later on.
 
Watching Paul Dawson tape, many people were raving how quick he was to the ball, and how he should blow up the combine. I find Heeney's tape far more impressive for his ability to make his way to the ball carrier, but his combine cemented those details.

Again, definitely underdized and not a perfect tackler, but for some of the top 2 round guys at the position, I would save my firepower and look at this guy later on.

Agreed. We don't need a high pick at the position anyway. He can take Casillas' or White's position on the roster, make his money as a key special teamer with that speed and athleticism and be 4th or 5th on the roster at linebacker(depending on Ayers).
 
heres a fun comparison between Heeney and a member of the Pats.

hands 9' - 9 5/8
arms 30 3/4 - 31 3/8
40 time 4.59 - 4.56
bench 19 - 14
vertical 33.5' - 321/2
broad 120 - 116
3 cone 6.68 -6.69
20 shuttle 4.00 - 4.06

Thats Logan ryan on the right. So for those scoring at home, Heeney has movement and athleticism equivalent to our future slot corner, with 40lbs extra. For those that have been fantasizing about the Star defensive position for a few years, this might be the guy.
 
heres a fun comparison between Heeney and a member of the Pats.

hands 9' - 9 5/8
arms 30 3/4 - 31 3/8
40 time 4.59 - 4.56
bench 19 - 14
vertical 33.5' - 321/2
broad 120 - 116
3 cone 6.68 -6.69
20 shuttle 4.00 - 4.06

Thats Logan ryan on the right. So for those scoring at home, Heeney has movement and athleticism equivalent to our future slot corner, with 40lbs extra. For those that have been fantasizing about the Star defensive position for a few years, this might be the guy.

Nicely done.
 
BTW, Here's Lance Zierlein's report on Valles:

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/max-valles?id=2552685

A work in progress, but with starting LDE potential.

Here's Greg Gabriel from the NFP on Valles:
In 2014, the University of Virginia had, in all probability, the best pair of outside linebackers/defensive ends in the country. In Eli Harold and Max Valles, Virginia had two tall, long, and athletic players who could set the edge and consistently put outside pressure on the quarterback. Both players were underclassmen, and both have entered the 2015 NFL Draft. Yesterday, I profiled Harold, today we will talk about Valles.

Max Valles – OLB/DE – Virginia

Max Valles is a true sophomore at Virginia. He was draft eligible as he attended Fork Union Military Academy for a year following high school. He enrolled at Virginia in 2013. As a freshman, he did not see game action in either of the first two games but began playing as a reserve beginning with their third game. By season’s end, he played in 12 games and had four starts.

He finished the 2013 season with 23 total tackles, 5.5 tackles for loss and 4.0 sacks. In 2014, he started all 12 games for Virginia and upped his production to 55 total tackles, 12.5 tackles for loss, 9.0 sacks, one interception, and three forced fumbles.

Looking at Valles physically, he is tall with good length and has the frame to carry more weight. At the combine, he measured 6050 – 251. While he showed good explosion with his jumps (36″ vertical jump, 10’1″ long jump), he was slower than expected. His best forty was only 4.87, and his 20 yard shuttle and 3-cone drill were 4.31 and 7.51 respectively. While those are adequate times, you would hope for better.

In the Virginia defensive scheme, Valles almost always plays on the left side and plays, mostly, from a 2-point stance. He shows good instincts and reactions and is consistently quick to find the football. He is tough, aggressive, and plays with a good, competitive nature.

With playing on his feet a majority of the time, he has a tendency to get tall. This can hurt him when taking on and shedding blocks. While he plays with good strength, his hand speed is adequate, and there are times he doesn’t get off a block quickly enough. Still, he plays the run well, does a good job playing contain, and more often than not keeps plays inside. He shows he can get penetration and be disruptive versus the run. He has a good burst, and when he gets an opportunity to shoot a gap, he can get the tackle for a loss. As a pursuit player, he takes good angles, shows hustle, but doesn’t have the flat out speed to consistently catch plays from behind.

Valles has the most value as a pass rusher. He has the body flexibility to get under his opponent and turn the corner. He also has the snap in his hips to generate a good bull rush. He also does a good job using counter moves. When he isn’t able to get a pressure, he does a good job getting his hands up and has a number of passes knocked down at the line of scrimmage.

Max is used regularly in coverage and has a decent drop. He can get depth and shows awareness in zone. I don’t see the responsiveness needed to be consistent with man-to-man coverage.

When I first looked at Valles, I thought he was a good fit to be a strong side linebacker in a 3-4 scheme. Unless he runs better at his pro day, he may be better off adding some bulk and being a 4-3 defensive end. If he can get to 260 – 265, that may be his best position. I would like to see him get his time down to under 4.8. If he is able to do that, he has scheme flexibility. Based solely on tape, he could easily be drafted as high as the third round, but unless he runs better, it will more likely be the fourth.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/nfp-prospect-focus-max-valles-virginia/
 
Some interesting post combine factoids today on prospects I like :

Holy Tre McBride official 1.49 10-split.

https://twitter.com/zjwhitman/status/572256308990107648

For comparisons sake, Julio Jones had a 1.50. Darrelle Revis has a 1.46.


Next:

OT Jake Fisher from Oregon has the fifth-best measurables grade for an offensive lineman in four years of prospect data.

https://twitter.com/Ryan_Riddle/status/572242546291707904

Could easily see him being worthy of a pick at 32.

And finally:

Fastest/most agile prospects per pound:
1.B.Heeney
2.F.Clark
3.Beasley
4.A.Cooper
5.H.Anderson
6.P.Smith
7.S.Anthony
8.D.Lott
9.J.Hicks

https://twitter.com/Ryan_Riddle/status/572238897142317056
 
Just noticed that Anthony Chickillo and Rob Ninkovich are very similar athletically. I wouldn't dismiss Chickillo as a potential draft pick - plays good assignment-sound football.
 


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