Seriously...why is it taking so long?

Dr Pain · Feb 25, 2015

flasox27 said:
Keep in mind that we are talking about Goodell's NFL where science does not matter and he makes up rules as he sees fit regardless of facts to appeal to the mediots and the masses who hate the Pats. He may not have started the witch hunt but it is to his advantage to protect his fellow Jets alumnus Kensil to avoid another publicity disaster. The only miscalculation that Goodell has made is that he thought Kraft would rollover and serve up BB like he did in 2007.

In 2007 the Patriots broke the camera placement rules. The Patriots never denied this.

flasox27 · Feb 25, 2015

Dr Pain said:
In 2007 the Patriots broke the camera placement rules. The Patriots never denied this.

I beg to differ. BB denied that he broke the camera placement guidelines because it refers to the use of the film during the game which the Pats didn't do.. If Kraft had supported BB instead of Goodell the penalty could have much less severe than the unprecedented first round pick and fines. Much more serious violations of the salary cap rules by the 49ers and Broncos were punished by the loss of only a third round pick. Kraft bears a great deal of responsibility for empowering the POS Goodell which has come to bite him in the rear.

Bobsyouruncle · Feb 25, 2015

rlcarr said:
Says who?

One of the first rules in the actual rulebook (not some operations manual but the same Official Rulebook that says what touchdowns and catches and penalties are) says that the ball is to be between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI. Given that everything else in the rulebook applies to stuff during the game, Goodell has a not-crazy rationale to claim the pressure requirement does as well.

By that interpretation you could say that if the lines on the field (also in the rulebook) get scuffed during the game the team has broken the rules. Plenty of things don't apply to the game. Granted, the NFL is stupid, but I really doubt that they would try pulling that move.

PatsWickedPissah · Feb 26, 2015

Dr Pain said:
This won't happen as there are no rules for the PSI to be maintained during the game. Imagine an 18 degree game like the one vs the Ravens. That is a minimum 2 PSI drop there just from the cold from indoors to out. Blame the reffs for measuring outside of the game environment. This will not happen.

Goodall does not need rules to impose a penalty.
HOWEVER, were this idiocy to happen, Kraft should talk to the Commissar and insist that at the next cold weather game, the same procedures be followed and that both below 12.5 psi offending teams receive the same penalty, and so on...

Ivan · Feb 26, 2015

rlcarr said:
Says who?

One of the first rules in the actual rulebook (not some operations manual but the same Official Rulebook that says what touchdowns and catches and penalties are) says that the ball is to be between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI. Given that everything else in the rulebook applies to stuff during the game, Goodell has a not-crazy rationale to claim the pressure requirement does as well.

Given that teams are not allowed to adjust balls during the game how exactly are they supposed to keep them in that range?

QuantumMechanic · Feb 26, 2015

Ivan said:
Given that teams are not allowed to adjust balls during the game how exactly are they supposed to keep them in that range?

Those questions all make sense in a fair process. Which this is not. Your objections amount to "Goodell fining NE on this violates common sense." Which it does.

But why do you think that matters? This is Goodell you're talking about.

Clonamery · Feb 26, 2015

rlcarr said:
Those questions all make sense in a fair process. Which this is not. Your objections amount to "Goodell fining NE on this violates common sense." Which it does.

But why do you think that matters? This is Goodell you're talking about.

Will he risk being fired?

turkeyneck · Feb 26, 2015

rlcarr said:
Says who?

One of the first rules in the actual rulebook (not some operations manual but the same Official Rulebook that says what touchdowns and catches and penalties are) says that the ball is to be between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI. Given that everything else in the rulebook applies to stuff during the game, Goodell has a not-crazy rationale to claim the pressure requirement does as well.

That's not so. The rule - Rule 2 - that specifies the psi does so in the context of directing the refs to verify the condition of the ball 2 1/4 hrs before the game, not during the game.

Ivan · Feb 26, 2015

rlcarr said:
Those questions all make sense in a fair process. Which this is not. Your objections amount to "Goodell fining NE on this violates common sense." Which it does.

But why do you think that matters? This is Goodell you're talking about.

I think it matters this time because Kraft has made it clear that he is not just going to roll over and say " thank you may I have some more." Goodell knows that if he ***** slaps Kraft this time just for the hell of it that he will have turned against him the very owner who both got him his job and had his back publicly when the Lynch mob was tightening the noose. He has 44 million reasons to not seriously piss off Robert Kraft.

Ivan · Feb 26, 2015

rlcarr said:
Those questions all make sense in a fair process. Which this is not. Your objections amount to "Goodell fining NE on this violates common sense." Which it does.

But why do you think that matters? This is Goodell you're talking about.

I think it goes well beyond the notion of a fair prices and into the absurd. How can any team be responsible for something they have no control over? I think people are vastly overrating what's left of Goodells power, in truth he no longer has the confidence to make even the most minor determinations on his own ,which is why we are getting the Warren Report over air pressure in footballs. I honestly don't think there will be any penalty at all for the Patriots and I expect Kensil to lose his job when this is done.

Bella*chick · Feb 26, 2015

Remember when this was all going to be decided in 2-3 days?

I cannot believe it has been weeks post-SB and nothing. J.O.K.E.

BradyManny · Feb 26, 2015

Bella*chick said:
Remember when this was all going to be decided in 2-3 days?

I cannot believe it has been weeks post-SB and nothing. J.O.K.E.

What's funny is the league said it was going to be 2-3 days. Then on a Saturday, Belichick brought up science. Then, on the next business day, the league contacted Columbia physicists. Then the league said it would take several weeks.

Conclusion: The league never considered we could be innocent until Belichick educated them, and they originally assumed they would find us guilty in no time.

rochrist · Feb 26, 2015

rlcarr said:
Unlike some others on the forum I don't believe Goodell went into this looking to frame NE. However, he now needs to appease the self-righteous mediots that he spun up himself. So I will be in (in a realpolitik sense) completely shocked if NE is explicitly exonerated. He needs to make himself look good and that (easily) takes precedence over treating NE fairly.

As I've said before, this is what I expect (yes, it's bogus, but that's irrelevant):

Goodell will say (and he'll intentionally say it this way) that the NFL "was unable to find evidence" that NE deflated the balls. He will not say "NE did not deflate the balls". He will not say "there is no evidence that NE deflated the balls".

Because there was at least one ball below 12.5 PSI (and even the leaks most favorable to NE say there were multiple balls under 12.5 PSI, even if just by a little bit) he will fine NE for providing balls that were outside the 12.5-13.5 PSI spec called for in the rulebook. Might even fine as much as $25K per ball. He will say something like "this fine should not *cough* be taken to mean that we believe NE deflated the balls. However, since the ball pressure was in violation of the rules, a fine is appropriate. How the balls got out of specifications is irrelevant. The rule was violated."

The Wells report will be loaded with verbiage about how hard they tried to find evidence but were unable to.

The report will say that while nothing was written down, Walt Anderson certifies from his recollection that all balls were 12.5-13.5 PSI at pre-game checkin and that when he checked the balls at halftime at least one ball was under.

Again, this will be a well-tuned thing that will be neutral at first glance but will trumpet from between the lines that the league believes NE is guilty but that NE covered things up too well.

I think this is total BS, of course, but it's the corner Goodell has painted himself into.

The problem is, the officials 'checked' the balls pregame. So there is no 'NE provided balls outside of spec'. Balls were provided, were checked, and were approved for play.

rochrist · Feb 26, 2015

rlcarr said:
Those questions all make sense in a fair process. Which this is not. Your objections amount to "Goodell fining NE on this violates common sense." Which it does.

But why do you think that matters? This is Goodell you're talking about.

Because it was would be obvious ********. If they want to screw the Pats, they'll have to go about it an a less obvious way that that.

Ivan · Feb 26, 2015

rochrist said:
Because it was would be obvious ********. If they want to screw the Pats, they'll have to go about it an a less obvious way that that.

I think there is only one possible way they can punish the Patriots and that is if the ball attendant told Ted Wells investigators that he went into the restroom and in under 90 seconds perfectly deflated 12 footballs to Brady's specifications on orders from Brady or Belichick. And I put the likelihood of that somewhere below my chance at winning powerball tonight.

If I win a couple hundred million tonight I will post about the Patriots guilt tomorrow.

Actually no, I won't. I will be busy.

flasox27 · Feb 26, 2015

I hope I am wrong but I am expecting the same type of made as instructed report to be produced by Wells stating that rules were broken by some means so that Goodell can save face and punish the Pats thereby appeasing the mediots and masses that hate the Pats. The NFL knows which people to hire to whitewash a situation like in the case of Ricegate that exonerated Goodell and which people to hire to find violation even when none exists. I am however curious to see what Kraft does when the POS he to a great degree empowered shafts the Pats again.

The Gr8est · Feb 26, 2015

flasox27 said:
I hope I am wrong but I am expecting the same type of made as instructed report to be produced by Wells stating that rules were broken by some means so that Goodell can save face and punish the Pats thereby appeasing the mediots and masses that hate the Pats. The NFL knows which people to hire to whitewash a situation like in the case of Ricegate that exonerated Goodell and which people to hire to find violation even when none exists. I am however curious to see what Kraft does when the POS he to a great degree empowered shafts the Pats again.

I hope what Bob Kraft has been saying post-Deflategate means that he isn't taking it any more. If the league insists on continuing to falsely foster the perception that the Pats are cheats then I hope Bob Kraft is ready to step to the plate and conduct an independent investigation to defend his beleaguered employee, Jim McNally.

I suspect if he raises this possibility to the league ahead of time, privately, they may be made to see that continuing to besmirch the Pats won't end well for Goodell and the league.

Jlaff · Feb 26, 2015

flasox27 said:
I hope I am wrong but I am expecting the same type of made as instructed report to be produced by Wells stating that rules were broken by some means so that Goodell can save face and punish the Pats thereby appeasing the mediots and masses that hate the Pats. The NFL knows which people to hire to whitewash a situation like in the case of Ricegate that exonerated Goodell and which people to hire to find violation even when none exists. I am however curious to see what Kraft does when the POS he to a great degree empowered shafts the Pats again.

I never read the Wells report on Rice, but I did read the subsequent court decision which I found was quite damaging for the league and Goodell... the media just didn't interpret it that way.

QuantumMechanic · Feb 26, 2015

Jlaff said:
I never read the Wells report on Rice, but I did read the subsequent court decision which I found was quite damaging for the league and Goodell... the media just didn't interpret it that way.

I don't think Wells was involved with Rice. I'm pretty sure the last NFL thing Wells was involved in was the Incognito investigation.

PatsWickedPissah · Feb 27, 2015

BradyManny said:
What's funny is the league said it was going to be 2-3 days. Then on a Saturday, Belichick brought up science. Then, on the next business day, the league contacted Columbia physicists. Then the league said it would take several weeks.

Conclusion: The league never considered we could be innocent until Belichick educated them, and they originally assumed they would find us guilty in no time.

Spot on, because The League at that time was Kensil investigating.
Not to credit Goodell but at BB's science lesson I believe he realized that he had a potential problem and moved to hire Wells and the physics department to cover his flank. Since then he has been paralyzed into inaction since Wells is not finished and Kraft put him on notice (1) via his press comments pre-SB and (2) his ice cold stare at Roger when receiving the Lombardi.

Especially with Goodell's latest overturned ruling he's really in a defensive posture.

He's also certain to piss off more owners as he rules on the Cleveland, Atlanta & Jets infractions.

I hope the folker twists in the wind but manipulators have ways of slipping the noose.

Seriously...why is it taking so long?

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