Excellent Garoppolo article

Marinlik said:

Your comment about Unitas not being good begs to differ about your knowledge about legacys.

Do I think that Brady could decline quickly or hit a string of injuries, like other QBs around their 40s? Yes I do think that it could happen. If that happens and Garoppolo looks good, which is the argument I have been making all along, then I think it's better to go with Garoppolo. If Brady continues to look like a top QB then of course you roll with him. I would love if Brady if Brady is our QB when he is 45, but unlike you I would only love it if the reason for him being our QB when he is 45 is because he is the best option, not if it's because of his legacy as a Patriot.

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Why don't you do some research on QBs drafted at the end of second round who became stars and then compared to those who didn't. Let me know what the chance (percentage) is that Garoppolo is going to become a star. Could it happen sure; but would you wager your life savings on it?

Marinlik said:

Well we are very lucky you see, because both Brady and Garoppolo are signed for very reasonable contracts for the next 3 seasons. So we have 3 full seasons to make the decision for what will happen in the 2018 season.

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What if Brady starts to suck are we still cutting him?

Brady6 said:

Why don't you do some research on QBs drafted at the end of second round who became stars and then compared to those who didn't. Let me know what the chance (percentage) is that Garoppolo is going to become a star. Could it happen sure; but would you wager your life savings on it?

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We've been through this before, where you admitted to being wrong to dismiss him just because of draft position. We've seen him play. What I've seen from his play matters much more to me than where he was drafted(he was still among the top QBs drafted, and regarded as such pre draft). And what I've seen from his shows potential for a good QB.

Do we cut Brady if he starts sucking? Haha, not in long time. Well first of all I'd give him a whole(and another whole) bunch of games(probably atleast a season) because you give GOAT like Brady a long benefit of the doubt. Then if the coaches think, from you know, seeing Garoppolo in practise(it's not like they don't know anything about him), that Garoppolo might give us a better chance to win the you let him start to see if that's the case Then if that's true then you might cut Brady in 2017 because that's when you could save enough cap for it to be worth it. Now read this paragraph several times and see that I don't want to make rash decisions and just throw the GOAT away at a moments notice.

Brady6 said:

What if Brady starts to suck are we still cutting him?

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OK, now I'm starting to get worried.

The Patriots need to make a decision at some point in the next three years. If nothing happens in the next two years that forces their hand (either positively or negatively), then they have a really tough decision in 2017.

Certainly both Brady and Garoppolo want to make the decision to "go with the other guy" as difficult as possible.

Marinlik said:

We've been through this before, where you admitted to being wrong to dismiss him just because of draft position. We've seen him play. What I've seen from his play matters much more to me than where he was drafted(he was still among the top QBs drafted, and regarded as such pre draft). And what I've seen from his shows potential for a good QB.

Do we cut Brady if he starts sucking? Haha, not in long time. Well first of all I'd give him a whole(and another whole) bunch of games(probably atleast a season) because you give GOAT like Brady a long benefit of the doubt. Then if the coaches think, from you know, seeing Garoppolo in practise(it's not like they don't know anything about him), that Garoppolo might give us a better chance to win the you let him start to see if that's the case Then if that's true then you might cut Brady in 2017 because that's when you could save enough cap for it to be worth it. Now read this paragraph several times and see that I don't want to make rash decisions and just throw the GOAT away at a moments notice.

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Well let me ask you this, if you see enough potential in Garoppolo that he may someday be good enough to surpass Brady why aren't the Bucs calling and offering the #1 overall pick for him? Or why aren't we fighting off trade offers.

Garoppolo showed promise, sure, but you are more premature than a 13 year old boy having this discussion at this juncture. You want to talk about this and have me be receptive to the concept or possibility try after 2016.

ctpatsfan77 said:

OK, now I'm starting to get worried.

The Patriots need to make a decision at some point in the next three years. If nothing happens in the next two years that forces their hand (either positively or negatively), then they have a really tough decision in 2017.

Certainly both Brady and Garoppolo want to make the decision to "go with the other guy" as difficult as possible.

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There is no decision to be made, it is Brady's job he would have to lose it. This is laughable, the kid had a decent preseason and played in a blow out and you think there is going to be a decision to be made between him and the GOAT.

You really get drunk off the Kool Aid quick. Personally I like to wait for a QB to start a football game before I start talking about him competing with the GOAT in a QB decision. That's just me though.

Brady6 said:

Well let me ask you this, if you see enough potential in Garoppolo that he may someday be good enough to surpass Brady why aren't the Bucs calling and offering the #1 overall pick for him? Or why aren't we fighting off trade offers.

Garoppolo showed promise, sure, but you are more premature than a 13 year old boy having this discussion at this juncture. You want to talk about this and have me be receptive to the concept or possibility try after 2016.

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As I said, read that paragraph a couple of times, because right now you haven't responded to what I said. because you probably only looked at glanced at it. I said that I think that Garoppolo can be a good QB. I have specifically said, a whole bunch of times, that I don't think he will be better than Brady in his prime(it will take a long time before the league sees anyone better). What I have said is that Brady will sometime decline, that's how humans work. And if that happens and Garoppolo shows promise then we should go with Garoppolo in 2017/18. Nothing else. That's not premature on a post for an article regarding our backup QB who had a good first year, to anyone else than you who cares more about Bradys legacy than the teams success.

Brady6 said:

There is no decision to be made, it is Brady's job he would have to lose it. This is laughable, the kid had a decent preseason and played in a blow out and you think there is going to be a decision to be made between him and the GOAT.

You really get drunk off the Kool Aid quick.

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I have never said that Garoppolo will be the future. I have simply said—quite correctly—that, at some point, the Patriots will have to decide who is the best QB for the future. The problem is that nobody knows what the future will hold, and the Patriots have to guess how much longer he'll be able to play at or near his current level.

from historical perspective odds of garappolo being a top 10 QB is not very high. he does seems like he has all the tools. but we have no idea if he has 'it', can he 'lead' or can he stay motivated after he gets 'paid'. that's the 3 things i always worry about. some dudes just don't have it, can't lead, and don't have the drive after getting paid.

IMO, i think garappolo will be tony romo like. that's my hunch. talented guy who can be top 5 guy. i trust BB and i hope he is the future.

wolverinejoe80 said:

from historical perspective odds of garappolo being a top 10 QB is not very high. he does seems like he has all the tools. but we have no idea if he has 'it', can he 'lead' or can he stay motivated after he gets 'paid'. that's the 3 things i always worry about. some dudes just don't have it, can't lead, and don't have the drive after getting paid.

IMO, i think garappolo will be tony romo like. that's my hunch. talented guy who can be top 5 guy. i trust BB and i hope he is the future.

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So all QBs who's last name ends with "O" are the same, I see how it is.

Bobsyouruncle said:

So all QBs who's last name ends with "O" are the same, I see how it is.

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Whose last name ends in "O" AND who went to Eastern Illinois!

Brady6 said:

Why don't you do some research on QBs drafted at the end of second round who became stars and then compared to those who didn't. Let me know what the chance (percentage) is that Garoppolo is going to become a star. Could it happen sure; but would you wager your life savings on it?

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Well, just so you know, Johnny Unitas was drafted in the ninth round.

Brady6 said:

How many days do you want to drag this discussion out for?

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Just thought it an was interesting fact. No one MAKES you reply to every single post in the thread you know.

I used to think I was a Brady fanboy. I can see how wrong I really was....

Tom meets Kaepernick said:

I used to think I was a Brady fanboy. I can see how wrong I really was....

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How much could you like him you want him to meet Kaepernick?

rochrist said:

Just thought it an was interesting fact. No one MAKES you reply to every single post in the thread you know.

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I guess I'm just being polite I think it is rude not to respond to someone who says something to you.

Brady6 said:

What if Brady starts to suck are we still cutting him?

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No. He already said he'll retire if he sucks

Oh wait what if the team and the player disagree about his value?

I'd love to see him retire a Patriot (not fake-retire, 1-day deal, I mean full career with the Pats). But one day - and I'll even go out on a limb and say before his 50th birthday - Tom will not be the Pats' best option. That day, from the team's point of view, is likely not to coincide with that day from the player's point of view. If they're close enough... well, then it's nice that we do these things by the year, not the day. But fans can reasonably disagree on whether Tom's right or the team's right.

Jimmy G doesn't even come into play if Tom suddenly starts slinging 60-yard-in-the-air throws at 90% accuracy or something. Or, if he continues to hit high percentages, and gets you out of jams as needed with intermediate throws. You get the idea: As long as Tom's game wins the game, screw Jimmy G.

BTW I think we're into the small-ball portion of Tom's career. This is fine as long as leadership and accuracy continue to be world-beating... I prefer a super-accurate good decision maker who is not a long ball stud to the other side of the coin (can throw it a mile and does every play, whether to his own guy or someone else...)

But back to Jimmy... I like him as the heir apparent from the little I have seen. We really have not yet seen the trajectory leading to the cliff edge for Tom, although he gave us a scare early in the year. The question is really whether we have a few more years tops, or whether "well into his 40s" is a legit idea. That sort of determines Jimmy's tenure here. And it is so far unknown.

An thread that started off seemingly harmless becomes an all out cluster ****. Only in the off-season

Sign the escaped Llamas.