Excellent Garoppolo article

Brady6 said:

No but they are different players. Rodgers relies on his athleticism for much of his success and Brees is undersized and a gun slinger.

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What does that have to do with the OP? He stated unreservedly that we all know that Brady takes better care of himself and is in better shape than Manning, Rodgers and Brees.

Brady6 said:

Joe Montana had missed the 1991 and 1992 seasons due to injury. If Brady misses 2 straight seasons and Garoppolo comes in and plays like Steve Young I would pay for Brady’s plane ticket myself, do not ignore the circumstances.

Unitas was not that good, and had missed significant time in 1971 and 1972.

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Unitas was not that good. Ok. Imma just gonna leave that one there for everyone to look at.

rochrist said:

Unitas was not that good. Ok. Imma just gonna leave that one there for everyone to look at.

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It wasn't even tht point......nobody said the pats should dump TB......his claim is that the pats would not attract FA's if they did. too sensitive.

all conversations that aren't the goo slurping type are heresy

rochrist said:

Unitas was not that good. Ok. Imma just gonna leave that one there for everyone to look at.

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He had a 54% completion percentage and 78 QB rating for his career.

IllegalContact said:

It wasn't even tht point......nobody said the pats should dump TB......his claim is that the pats would not attract FA's if they did. too sensitive.

all conversations that aren't the goo slurping type are heresy

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You really don't read my posts because I'm not sensitive at all. I just think it is stupid that people are on a internet board talking about moving on from Tom Brady for Jimmy Garoppolo because he flashed some potential in the preseason. I mean we are talking about a QB who won the SB MVP 3 weeks ago,. Why don't we hold this discussion until Garoppolo is able to lead the team to a victory in the 4th preseason game.

Brady6 said:

He had a 54% completion percentage and 78 QB rating for his career.

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Are you seriously going to try and compare someone playing in that era with playing today? He redefined the modern quarterback. He won 4 MVPs. Oh, wait, two more that Tom! How is that possible? 10 time Pro Bowl selection. For 52 years he held the record for most consecutive games with a TD pass.

What are you? 16? How can you be so ignorant of the history of football.

rochrist said:

Are you seriously going to try and compare someone playing in that era with playing today? He redefined the modern quarterback. He won 4 MVPs. Oh, wait, two more that Tom! How is that possible? 10 time Pro Bowl selection. For 52 years he held the record for most consecutive games with a TD pass.

What are you? 16? How can you be so ignorant of the history of football.

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I'm 30. Unitas retired a decade before I was even born.

So back to the subject. Unitas played for a franchise that relocated not long after him and had major arm issues. Montana was injured for 2 seasons prior to his trade. So again what teams have cut or traded their HOF QB?

Brady6 said:

I'm 30. Unitas retired a decade before I was even born.

So back to the subject. Unitas played for a franchise that relocated not long after him and had major arm issues. Montana was injured for 2 seasons prior to his trade. So again what teams have cut or traded their HOF QB?

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I gave you a couple examples earlier; here's more. You easily could have found this information yourself.

Point is, IT HAPPENS, even multiple times with the same guy. There is ample precedent involving 13 teams and 11 of 23 modern-era quarterbacks in the NFL Hall of Fame. That's nearly half of them!

49ers -- Joe Montana, Y.A. Tittle
Baltimore Colts -- Johnny Unitas, Y.A. Tittle, George Blanda
Bears -- George Blanda
Oilers -- George Blanda, Warren Moon
Vikings -- Fran Tarkenton, Warren Moon
Giants -- Fran Tarkenton
Lions -- Bobby Layne
Rams -- Norm Van Brocklin
Seahawks -- Warren Moon
Eagles -- Sonny Jurgensen
Steelers -- Len Dawson
Browns -- Len Dawson
Tampa Bay -- Steve Young

Tunescribe said:

I gave you a couple examples earlier; here's more. You easily could have found this information yourself.

Point is, IT HAPPENS, even multiple times with the same guy. There is ample precedent involving 13 teams and 11 modern-era quarterbacks in the NFL Hall of Fame.

49ers -- Joe Montana, Y.A. Tittle
Baltimore Colts -- Johnny Unitas, Y.A. Tittle, George Blanda
Bears -- George Blanda
Oilers -- George Blanda, Warren Moon
Vikings -- Fran Tarkenton, Warren Moon
Giants -- Fran Tarkenton
Lions -- Bobby Layne
Rams -- Norm Van Brocklin
Seahawks -- Warren Moon
Eagles -- Sonny Jurgensen
Steelers -- Len Dawson
Browns -- Len Dawson
Tampa Bay -- Steve Young

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How many of these QBs were drafted and played their entire careers with the team? I mean Steve Young by Tampa really? Come on man

There has never been a HOF QB who has played a decade plus with his drafting team and did not have a significant injury who was cut or traded. It's never happen.

Brady6 said:

How many of these QBs were drafted and played their entire careers with the team? I mean Steve Young by Tampa really? Come on man

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I answered your question -- 12 of the Hall's 23 quarterback enshrinees played their entire careers with one team. What is your point?

Tunescribe said:

I answered your question -- 12 of the Hall's 23 quarterback enshrinees played their entire careers with one team. What is your point?

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That the patriots are not going to cut or trade Tom Brady ever and the suggestion of it by anyone is ****ing stupid especially when you base it on Belichick trading an old overpaid OL or a greedy DL. If people cannot differentiate between Tom Brady and a player like Logan Mankins I cannot help them and would not expect them to get what I'm saying.

Brady6 said:

That the patriots are not going to cut or trade Tom Brady ever and the suggestion of it by anyone is ****ing stupid especially when you base it on Belichick trading an old overpaid OL or a greedy DL. If people cannot differentiate between Tom Brady and a player like Logan Mankins I cannot help them and would not expect them to get what I'm saying.

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If and when Brady is not the best option for our future then I hope, and truly believe, that we will cut or trade him. Now he is the best option, by far. But 40 for QBs is kind of like 30 for RBs, decline can happen quickly and injuries can start to hit and will take longer to recover from.

But I think the biggest difficulty in discussing this with you is that you don't think that Brady will decline, ever. I hope that's what happens, but history and human nature says that it will. What people are talking about is a situation where Brady declines and Garoppolo, or some other QB, would be a better QB for the future Which is not at all, in any way, the same thing as saying that this QB would be better than Brady in his prime.

For a guy who cares so much more about a single players legacy over the success of a team, you know very little of the legacys of past greats.

Brady6 said:

That the patriots are not going to cut or trade Tom Brady ever and the suggestion of it by anyone is ****ing stupid especially when you base it on Belichick trading an old overpaid OL or a greedy DL. If people cannot differentiate between Tom Brady and a player like Logan Mankins I cannot help them and would not expect them to get what I'm saying.

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I hope you are right. I hope the Patriots never cut or trade Tom. That would be an incredibly sad day, IMO. But it would not surprise me given BB's track record. If/when he does, it would be in the team's best interests.

Marinlik said:

If and when Brady is not the best option for our future then I hope, and truly believe, that we will cut or trade him. Now he is the best option, by far. But 40 for QBs is kind of like 30 for RBs, decline can happen quickly and injuries can start to hit and will take longer to recover from.

For a guy who cares so much more about a single players legacy over the success of a team, you know very little of the legacys of past greats.

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I seem to know plenty considering I am not just lobbing out names like Montana ignoring that he missed the 2 seasons leading up to his trade, or Unitas who had chronic arm issues and missed significant time. I mean let's bring in some players from the 50s and 60s or Warren Moon who played in a different league. Yeah you all are throwing down a real strong argument.

As far as Brady goes, if Brady is playing football he is playing at a high level he has said that himself that he would retire when he sucks. So do you think Brady at a high level will ever be a worse QB than Garoppolo?

I think we all saw a better Brady at 37 than at 36 he was more mobile and accurate than prior years. So

Brady6 said:

I seem to know plenty considering I am not just lobbing out names like Montana ignoring that he missed the 2 seasons leading up to his trade, or Unitas who had chronic arm issues and missed significant time.

As far as Brady goes, if Brady is playing football he is playing at a high level he has said that himself that he would retire when he sucks. So do you think Brady at a high level will ever be a worse QB than Garoppolo?

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Your comment about Unitas not being good begs to differ about your knowledge about legacys.

Do I think that Brady could decline quickly or hit a string of injuries, like other QBs around their 40s? Yes I do think that it could happen. If that happens and Garoppolo looks good, which is the argument I have been making all along, then I think it's better to go with Garoppolo. If Brady continues to look like a top QB then of course you roll with him. I would love if Brady if Brady is our QB when he is 45, but unlike you I would only love it if the reason for him being our QB when he is 45 is because he is the best option, not if it's because of his legacy as a Patriot.

What if Garoppolo regresses in year 2 like some of are other second round picks Dobson, Wilson, Brace, Cunningham, to name a few? What is your plan then?

Marinlik said:

Your comment about Unitas not being good begs to differ about your knowledge about legacys.

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He was not that good at all after 1967.

Brady6 said:

What if Garoppolo regresses in year 2 like some of are other second round picks Dobson, Wilson, Brace, Cunningham, to name a few? What is your plan then?

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Well we are very lucky you see, because both Brady and Garoppolo are signed for very reasonable contracts for the next 3 seasons. So we have 3 full seasons to make the decision for what will happen in the 2018 season.