And the Ravens did weep for they would receive no more rings...

I doubt this will change anytime soon. The league really hates change. Particularly if it does not help the offense : P

Isn't this the correction to a previous rule change that used to award 15 yards for PI?

If a DB is beat bad enough that he needs to tackle the WR to stop him, he probably wouldn't be able to do it anyway. I can't comment on how it works in the NCAA, but here in the NFL the WR would probably make the play most times.

If this is in the works, this is the group that will make that determination: From the NFC we have the Chairman, Rich McKay of Atlanta, Fisher of the Rams, S Jones of Dallas, J Mara of the Giants and M Murphy of GB. From the AFC we'll have R Smith of Houston and three reps all from the AFCS, something that definitely shouldn't happen btw, M Lewis of Cincy, Ozzie Newsome of the Ravens and Mike Tomlin of the Steelers. I wouldn't trust anything that comes from that group.

This change still won't help with the blatant non-calls on Gronk.

We won't know the ramifications of this change until it happens and we see how the officials will work it. Until then I like the idea of the revision.

For those concerned that defenses would just opt for the penalty at the end of the game (or half), then if that becomes an issue then they could also reset the game clock after a DPI penalty in the last two minutes. That actually may not be a bad idea for any defensive penalty in the last two minutes - with the caveat that the official timekeeper could make that clock adjustment in a quick manner.

1960Pats said:

Isn't this the correction to a previous rule change that used to award 15 yards for PI?

If a DB is beat bad enough that he needs to tackle the WR to stop him, he probably wouldn't be able to do it anyway. I can't comment on how it works in the NCAA, but here in the NFL the WR would probably make the play most times.

If this is in the works, this is the group that will make that determination: From the NFC we have the Chairman, Rich McKay of Atlanta, Fisher of the Rams, S Jones of Dallas, J Mara of the Giants and M Murphy of GB. From the AFC we'll have R Smith of Houston and three reps all from the AFCS, something that definitely shouldn't happen btw, M Lewis of Cincy, Ozzie Newsome of the Ravens and Mike Tomlin of the Steelers. I wouldn't trust anything that comes from that group.

This change still won't help with the blatant non-calls on Gronk.

We won't know the ramifications of this change until it happens and we see how the officials will work it. Until then I like the idea of the revision.

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Yeah, my thoughts on this are pretty much the same. If he's so badly beaten that a TD catch is a mere formality, then he's probably so badly beaten that he can't commit PI anyway. I could only see tackling receivers by design coming into play on underthrown balls to WRs who have soundly beaten their man (ie when your man stops, run through him instead of trying to play the ball from a dead sprint) or just tackling receivers as a hedge when they're trying to move the ball downfield in 30 seconds at the end of the game.

In either case (but especially the former), I don't have much sympathy for the offense, and if it's incredibly egregious you could just call it a palpably unfair act and award the TD anyway.

I keep asking myself why Logan Ryan didn't take a DPI instead of letting a no name receiver score a cheap TD at the end of the first half in the Super Bowl. That needs to be coached up better.

I don't think many of us mind the current PI spot foul when called fairly. Problem is, it's usually not. It's currently too subjective and often fraught with gamesmanship. I like the 15 yds PI if it's a normal foul (ie. ~90% of what we see today), and then a spot file for the flagrant variety. At least with this, it would have to be mostly to halfway egregious (assuming a botched call every now and then) to get the spot foul. But I could live with that (we do now anyway, right?) as opposed to the ticky-tac Offense down the field. Overall, I'm all for removing this bit of game impact from referee indecision.

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That would muddy the waters even further in terms of "referee discretion." My concern is how this change would impact the pro game strategically. I say keep it as is and open it up to being challenged/reviewed.

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I don't think so. Right now something that is 1% more interference than great defense could cost a team 45 yards and is entirely up to the ref to determine. It also would be very hard to overrule on review unless it was clearly incorrect.

I'd suggest that it's easier to see something as obvious as a guy diving to take out the legs of a WR he is trailing than it is to discern many of the DPI calls made every week.

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Yes. Consider: 20 seconds left, team has ball on its own 20, needs touchdown to win. Receiver beats corner going long, ball on target, corner tackles receiver to prevent reception. All the defense has to do is keep mugging receivers 'til the clock runs out.

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I thought of the same thing, but under what circumstances is a defender close enough to outright tackle a guy, but too far to make a play? And what defense is letting WRs get past them in that situation?

Granted, he could say, "the 8 second run off is a fair trade for 15 yards" and tackle the receiver even if he is in position, but eventually they'd need to make a stop because the game can't end on a defensive penalty. A Hail Mary from midfield is about the best case scenario in that situation anyway.

How often do college DBs commit blatant DPI 50 yards down to intentionally trade 15 yards for an incomplete pass?

PatsFan2 said:

I think they should keep it the way it is every year they change something this is getting Ridiculous.

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I think it would be a more just rule, and would make for more balanced play, so I'm in favor of this rule

That screaming we all hear is Joe Flacco and his agent. Jump Ball Joe is about to be exposed if this happens.

Flaccos contract looks even better now

How about half the distance to the spot?
It won't be fair it a QB throws 60 yds at the end of the game to tie and a DB that has been beat purposely grabs the jersey of the receiver to prevent a TD only to be penalized 15yds. Maybe it should be a judgment call by the ref. Spot foul of flagrant.

PatsWickedPissah said:

3 plays, 3 clock stops into FG range!

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nope.......most of the time the coverage does not get beat

and that does jack **** for you if you're down 4

nabwong said:

I keep asking myself why Logan Ryan didn't take a DPI instead of letting a no name receiver score a cheap TD at the end of the first half in the Super Bowl. That needs to be coached up better.

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Ed Reed mentioned that on Inside the NFL.

Tunescribe said:

Yes. Consider: 20 seconds left, team has ball on its own 20, needs touchdown to win. Receiver beats corner going long, ball on target, corner tackles receiver to prevent reception. All the defense has to do is keep mugging receivers 'til the clock runs out.

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there are ways where the penalty will save the day.....you can't have that

most here would be of different opinion if the pats had a randy moss in his prime

a WR has a step on a guy 40 yards down the field and there's a perfect throw.......the DB simply reaches out, dives and trips the WR......

now....say in the last 2 minutes, defensive penalties put the clock back to pre snap of the penalty, I'd would be more apt to consider it, but you can't have penalties be a way of saving the game for the defense

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That screaming we all hear is Joe Flacco and his agent. Jump Ball Joe is about to be exposed if this happens.

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It's amazing how much flack Flacco takes from fans here. Hasn't he beaten us enough to earn more respect?

It's not a good rule change for a number of reasons. People here will scream about it if we're on the **** end of the stick with it and lose a game because a potential game-winning TD got mugged and called a 15 yarder instead. I like the spot foul with it being reviewable as well.

Reviewing the play is useless and it exposes the Ref to making a bad situation (i.e. a bad call) worse. Generally, a fan's biased eye can see a PI on almost every play. It will only make the Ref look worse (unless absolutely obvious). Who throws the flag in the last two minutes and in overtime?

Keep it the way it is or make it a 15 yard penalty and a first. Award a Personal Foul, to be additional, for a deliberate take down. No replay.

Baltimore will adapt to a new rule.

1960Pats said:

It's amazing how much flack Flacco takes from fans here. Hasn't he beaten us enough to earn more respect?

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Seriously, most of his career he has played very well against NE and other top teams - why he's seen as some sort of chump is beyond me. The guy can play.

1960Pats said:

It's amazing how much flack Flacco takes from fans here. Hasn't he beaten us enough to earn more respect?

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His inconsistency is remarkable for a player who is capable of such greatness. Regardless, he has proven he is no chump. I do wish people could just admit things, as many sound just as bad as Brady bashers who decided he was a "system QB" in 2001 and are too stubborn to pull their heads out of their rear ends.