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Interesting tidbit from Mark Maske at the WaPo...

Mark Maske said:
One person familiar with the league’s inner workings said NFL leaders have been given little to no information by Wells about his investigation.

Also, while I can't remember whether or not Maske was part of the pitchforks and torches mob, he now says this:
Mark Maske said:
The NFL appointed attorney Ted Wells to investigate the allegations, and his probe continues. There is a growing sense, however, that in the end the scandal will be judged to have been a rather meaningless affair, a kerfuffle over little more than air and how much of it was pumped into the Patriots’ footballs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...1311dc-b9f1-11e4-a200-c008a01a6692_story.html
 
A "growing sense" among people who had no clue what's being written in the investigation. In my opinion that's the best outcome the Patriots haters can hope for at this point (the much ado about nothing one).

My own logic says that a "kerfuffle" outcome would have been released already. But there are a lot of layers to this onion.
 
If true, then we should no less trust this growing sense of things heading in our favor then we should trust the initial leaks that sparked the guilty until proven innocent verdict in the court of public opinion. If I trusted Wells, I would feel much better, but I do not have a sense of how he will handle the conflict of interest given the position he is put in.

One thing to keep in mind - Wells was on this thing from Sunday night after the game, a little known fact that the NFL put out in its only real statemtn. If he's been keeping them in the dark since then, then either all these leaks are coming from the Colts side, or the NFL league office truly does hate the Patriots. Because that latter group doesn't have enough information to really lob shots our way if Wells truly buttoned this thing up from day one.
 
Well, Wells can only button things up so much. The people Wells talked to know who they are and they know what Wells asked them. So there's a level of fundamental potential leakage that can't be stopped.
 
Well, Wells can only button things up so much. The people Wells talked to know who they are and they know what Wells asked them. So there's a level of fundamental potential leakage that can't be stopped.

Good point.
 
Pretty much another nothing-burger report from the Washington Post. Wells is obviously not keeping the league completely in the dark. After all, the NFL reportedly fired an employee for stealing a game ball (with video provided by the Pats).

It could be the the league's designated leaker of innuendo damaging to the Patriots (Kensil) is being kept out of the loop. Who knows?
 
Pretty much another nothing-burger report from the Washington Post. Wells is obviously not keeping the league completely in the dark. After all, the NFL reportedly fired an employee for stealing a game ball (with video provided by the Pats).

You're assuming the Pats turned that video over directly to Wells, as opposed to turning it over to someone in the league office who turned it over to Wells, or as opposed to turning it over to both the league office and Wells.
 
I just email the author the below. He probably won't read it but we need to get the message out. There is something rotten going on.

"It was reported that the Colts GM Grigson said the Colts noticed a problem with Pats balls in November at Indy per reports and Grigson said they notified the NFL pre AFC Championship game. This makes absolutely no sense and if they did not notice this in November at Indy then how did they become aware? If it was in November from what we have heard about the way the process works is that the reffs do their inspection and release the game balls (both teams) to the stadium staff (a Colts employee) 10 minutes before the game. Then the balls are controlled on the home team’s sideline through the game by the home team’s staff and the reffs. The Patriots would not have even touched the Patriots game balls in Indy other than when they were in play. The thought that there was a problem with the balls at the November game in Indy does not add up and it seems more likely that a tip came in from the Ravens after their playoff loss. That game was played in 18 degree weather so every ball would have dropped 2+ PSI because of the cold.

I think it is likely the Ravens measured Patriots balls intercepted at that 18 degree game. Brady dinged the Ravens by saying look at the rule book, Ravens tell the Colts, Grigson tells NFL (Kinsel) to watch out. Then the Colts intercept a ball, see it is down 1 PSI as temp drop and rain would explain, then Indy drops it another pound PSI to match what the Ravens said they saw (in 18 degree weather) then Kensil does his sting. If it is true what is being reported that only 1 ball was 2 PSI down, this puts the Colts in a bad position. Also Kensil’s actions are just bizarre, reinflating balls, an NFL employee who stole who they knew was trouble stealing balls etc… There are reports of teams kickers asking reffs to inflate balls which had dropped PSI in cold games and the reffs refusing. How does Kensil take it upon himself to tamper with footballs during a game? In fact it could be argued this gave an advantage to the Patriots, they certainly did better after this and a flat football is more difficult to throw and is more affected by the wind.

I wonder if the investigation is taking so long because at this point it is not about the balls being under PSI but about the Sting/no sting etc… and this would be why Brady and Bellichick were not contacted? If the NFL had evidence of the Patriots tampering then the investigation would have been over in the 3 days first promised. If there was no evidence then it could be chalked up to atmospheric conditions which show a drop (Yes the Colts balls would have been subjected to the same forces of nature but they could have been inflated coming off a colder bus luggage compartment or dropped 13.5 to 12.5 while the Patriots dropped 12.5 to 11.5) then the NFL could have ended it quickly with science as the explanation. Instead we have had the Colts spoken to, the Ravens spoken to, an NFL employee fired but not talking to Brady or Belichick.

So far the only team which has admitted they send balls in out of specifications are the Packers and Aaron Rodgers said he sends them in to the reffs intentionally over inflated and they often make it through. If any team is facing sanctions for playing with PSI it has to be the Packers.

Grigson’s story does not make sense when place in the picture developing. If they stuck with the story that it was just the intercepted ball they would have been better off. By telling the NFL before the game they had concerns, the question of what these concerns are based on leads to a bunch of uncomfortable questions for the Colts. Did the Ravens tell them? Did Indy tamper by measuring the Patriots gameballs given to the Indy staff by the Reffs in November? This story is a mess but I think it is a mess because there is far more going on and there is a reall story which is not a kerfuffle but an attempt to do a sting on the Patriots by folks who did not understand temperature’s effect on PSI and the Colts dropping their intercepted Patriots ball’s PSI down to what the Ravens saw in an 18 degree day.

One quick correction. The Patriots were not fined for stealing signals in 2007, they placed a camera in an unauthorized position to steal signals. Stealing signals was legal, their camera placement was not and a memo went out saying no filming from the sidelines. The penalty was so large because they ignored the memo which went out shortly before."
 
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I can understand why Wells would try to keep NFL officials in the dark since none of them are capable of keeping their mouths shut. Also why do they keep writing that deflated footballs are "easier to throw"? They are easier to grip but, in fact, do not travel as far and so are not easier to throw.
 
I just email the author the below. He probably won't read it but we need to get the message out. There is something rotten going on.

"It was reported that the Colts GM Grigson said the Colts noticed a problem with Pats balls in November at Indy per reports and Grigson said they notified the NFL pre AFC Championship game. This makes absolutely no sense and if they did not notice this in November at Indy then how did they become aware? If it was in November from what we have heard about the way the process works is that the reffs do their inspection and release the game balls (both teams) to the stadium staff (a Colts employee) 10 minutes before the game. Then the balls are controlled on the home team’s sideline through the game by the home team’s staff and the reffs. The Patriots would not have even touched the Patriots game balls in Indy other than when they were in play. The thought that there was a problem with the balls at the November game in Indy does not add up and it seems more likely that a tip came in from the Ravens after their playoff loss. That game was played in 18 degree weather so every ball would have dropped 2+ PSI because of the cold.

I think it is likely the Ravens measured Patriots balls intercepted at that 18 degree game. Brady dinged the Ravens by saying look at the rule book, Ravens tell the Colts, Grigson tells NFL (Kinsel) to watch out. Then the Colts intercept a ball, see it is down 1 PSI as temp drop and rain would explain, then Indy drops it another pound PSI to match what the Ravens said they saw (in 18 degree weather) then Kensil does his sting. If it is true what is being reported that only 1 ball was 2 PSI down, this puts the Colts in a bad position. Also Kensil’s actions are just bizarre, reinflating balls, an NFL employee who stole who they knew was trouble stealing balls etc… There are reports of teams kickers asking reffs to inflate balls which had dropped PSI in cold games and the reffs refusing. How does Kensil take it upon himself to tamper with footballs during a game? In fact it could be argued this gave an advantage to the Patriots, they certainly did better after this and a flat football is more difficult to throw and is more affected by the wind.

I wonder if the investigation is taking so long because at this point it is not about the balls being under PSI but about the Sting/no sting etc… and this would be why Brady and Bellichick were not contacted? If the NFL had evidence of the Patriots tampering then the investigation would have been over in the 3 days first promised. If there was no evidence then it could be chalked up to atmospheric conditions which show a drop (Yes the Colts balls would have been subjected to the same forces of nature but they could have been inflated coming off a colder bus luggage compartment or dropped 13.5 to 12.5 while the Patriots dropped 12.5 to 11.5) then the NFL could have ended it quickly with science as the explanation. Instead we have had the Colts spoken to, the Ravens spoken to, an NFL employee fired but not talking to Brady or Belichick.

So far the only team which has admitted they send balls in out of specifications are the Packers and Aaron Rodgers said he sends them in to the reffs intentionally over inflated and they often make it through. If any team is facing sanctions for playing with PSI it has to be the Packers.

Grigson’s story does not make sense when place in the picture developing. If they stuck with the story that it was just the intercepted ball they would have been better off. By telling the NFL before the game they had concerns, the question of what these concerns are based on leads to a bunch of uncomfortable questions for the Colts. Did the Ravens tell them? Did Indy tamper by measuring the Patriots gameballs given to the Indy staff by the Reffs in November? This story is a mess but I think it is a mess because there is far more going on and there is a reall story which is not a kerfuffle but an attempt to do a sting on the Patriots by folks who did not understand temperature’s effect on PSI and the Colts dropping their intercepted Patriots ball’s PSI down to what the Ravens saw in an 18 degree day.

One quick correction. The Patriots were not fined for stealing signals in 2007, they placed a camera in an unauthorized position to steal signals. Stealing signals was legal, their camera placement was not and a memo went out saying no filming from the sidelines. The penalty was so large because they ignored the memo which went out shortly before."

At least it was a brief message!!

Had to take nap between chapters 7 & 8 man....they don't call you Dr Pain for nothing, huh?!! ;)
 
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I wonder if Wells believes the NFL's knowledge will inevitably compromise his investigation. I also wonder whether it has taken a different turn. I'm sure Wells has seen all of the media leaks and doesn't trust those "sources".
 
I can understand why Wells would try to keep NFL officials in the dark since none of them are capable of keeping their mouths shut. Also why do they keep writing that deflated footballs are "easier to throw"? They are easier to grip but, in fact, do not travel as far and so are not easier to throw.
I have noticed that this has been essentially asserted without a lick of evidence. Even the Sportscience program found the difference to be so minuscule that it's really ludicrous. We might as well be discussing performance in 1 inch grass vs 1.25 inch grass. Actually that probably makes a bigger difference.

The psi recommendation from Wilson is most likely derived from where they deem the ball to have the best performance. I'm skeptical that any deviation from that recommendation objectively improves performance. It may improve preference but that's a far different thing.
 
The psi recommendation from Wilson is most likely derived from where they deem the ball to have the best performance. I'm skeptical that any deviation from that recommendation objectively improves performance. It may improve preference but that's a far different thing.

Someone in one of the other threads some weeks ago pointed out that the 12.5-13.5 PSI range has been in the rulebook since the 1930s. The ball didn't even look the same back then! So I very much doubt it is any sort of "best performance" recommendation from Wilson.
 
Remember in the early days the moron from Wilson who said that their balls don't deflate with temperature?
Moron & Wilson are redundant.
Oh, wait!
 
Remember in the early days the moron from Wilson who said that their balls don't deflate with temperature?
Moron & Wilson are redundant.
Oh, wait!

Gotta hope that's just another head that will roll following this whole thing.
 
Does it really make any sense that the people who are paying Wells fee don't know what it going on. i would feel a lot more confident about the impartiality of the investigator if it was someone like Tagliabue who owes no allegiance to Goodell's NFL.
 
It might. Wells has an outside-the-NFL reputation to maintain, so I don't think it's crazy if he insisted in his engagement agreement that he would be left alone and that he would turn it over when done and nothing before that. Sure, the NFL is his client and so there will be some level of pro-NFL whitewashing and slanting, but he's gonna want the part of the process that he has control over to at least be dignified.

Having stuff leaking from his investigation makes him look bad and the only way to not have leaks is to not tell anyone anything. Surely he must know from past work that the NFL front office is a sieve.
 
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Remember in the early days the moron from Wilson who said that their balls don't deflate with temperature?
Moron & Wilson are redundant.
Oh, wait!
I think he meant deflate as in "lose air", which of course they don't. They lose pressure because the air takes up less space.
I think he was just trying to defend his product by essentially saying "the cold doesn't cause leaks".
 


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