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A Kensil smoking gun.....maybe


This website has been fantastic for all news and updates regarding this scandal. Many of the contributors should be journalists in place of some of the national bozos we have grown accustomed to reading. Really appreciate PatsFans and all of its posters!

Someone has to pay the price for this deflategate mess. It is a true NFL embarrassment. Kensil was miserable in his operational duties, not to mention incompetent with the leaks coming from his organization. He should be canned along with many of the lemmings that directly work for him.

Sharks of Vegas has been accurate throughout this process - absolutely believe them when they say Kensil will be fired.

Hoping someone begins a post on those national journalists/analysts that should have their travel privileges to Boston revoked. Have lost a lot of respect for many of them and at the same time have grown great regard for the likes of Curran and Reiss. The Globe needs a new beat writer; Volin has become a joke.
 
I thought it might be a good time to summarize the allegations against Kensil at this point, and what reasonable unbiased consequences should result....
(Assuming true and the official report does not lie about these things)

1. Kensil altered the PSI of the footballs at the half - starting with and at minimum a $25,000 fine. The rulebook is clear, and Kensil is not a "referee".

2. Kensil conducted a rogue sting operation - Depends on outcome of report, but if Pats exonerated, fired for the mess it created. Incompetence at the very least, and spite-filled bias at worst.

3. Kensil displaying bias throughout investigation - (not a current allegation, just a possibility) - fired/demoted as it reflects on allegation #2 AND the integrity of the league.

4. Kensil as source or strongly suspected as source of any of the leaks - Remember for suspicions "preponderance of evidence"; Goodell sole arbiter, Kensil fired for further flaming an unprecedented mess of a situation. Also reflects on allegations #2+3.

Edit: 5. Kensil conducts non-rogue sting operation - made the fall guy by Goodell and fired?

Sharks of Vegas suggesting Kensil ends up without a job at the end of all this sounds very believable if any of the leaks are true.
 
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That's the one thing Kraft has to demand when this is over. No way that guy should be in any position of authority. He's a scumbag With an agenda against the Patriots and he's got to go.

Absolutely agree, and then some.

Kensil became Director of NFL Game Operations in February of 2006. In the fall of 2006 the Pats kicked the Rats out of Foxboro for filming from an illegal location. Rats said they had permission, Pats denied it.

In the 1st week of the 2007 season Spygate happens. I never thought it was mere coincidence that it was the Rats who ratted on the Pats, and the game in question was at the Meadowlands.
 
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This website has been fantastic for all news and updates regarding this scandal. Many of the contributors should be journalists in place of some of the national bozos we have grown accustomed to reading. Really appreciate PatsFans and all of its posters!

Someone has to pay the price for this deflategate mess. It is a true NFL embarrassment. Kensil was miserable in his operational duties, not to mention incompetent with the leaks coming from his organization. He should be canned along with many of the lemmings that directly work for him.

Sharks of Vegas has been accurate throughout this process - absolutely believe them when they say Kensil will be fired.

Hoping someone begins a post on those national journalists/analysts that should have their travel privileges to Boston revoked. Have lost a lot of respect for many of them and at the same time have grown great regard for the likes of Curran and Reiss. The Globe needs a new beat writer; Volin has become a joke.


I went back and took another look at the Sharks of Vegas page :

http://www.sharksofvegas.com/getPage.asp?pageName=Deflategate

What resonated a bit clearer this time through were these statements:

"From what we have been told, the investigation is not even centered around the Patriots at this point"

And also. "the league is trying to find out how the balls became under inflated, not trying to crucify Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. This is the media's witch hunt, not the NFL's."


I have no problem accepting mediots and fan hate .........if I believe the league is also primed to make us the fall guys, then we're totally f'ed. This helps ......
 
Deflategate posts trump NFL combine posts by a long shot. Please con
and s0 an active thread is moved to a place where threads go to die. Does this make any sense, Mods?

Deflategate posts trump NFL Combine posts by a long shot. Please continue.....
 
We have lawyers here positing who have substantive integrity.
One of the people I respect most is a lawyer married to my wife's sister.

That said, I love bashing lawyers. Does that make me a bad, bad person?
 
Then it struck me (for I am getting a little slower every year), that by re-inflating the balls at the half, what Kensil was ACTUALLY doing was destroying the proof of the Pats INNOCENCE. If it was true that the balls were only marginally deflated, if at all, Kensil's sting and his biased agenda becomes exposed. By just saying he re-inflated then, he not only destroys the only way the Pats could have conclusively proved their innocence, he is free to imply that the ball needed to be inflated and the Pats had done something.....and there is no way for the Pats conclusively prove otherwise, as the evidence has been essentially destroyed
Kensil doesn't need to have the Pats found guilty to win. He just needs the possibility of wrong doing to taint the Pats irreparably. and by destroying the evidence he succeeded...

Ken,

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
I don't know who originally said that, but words to live by...

I believe the ignorance is the ubiquitous, wrong belief that a football's internal pressure is independent of temperature. That, if it is filled to 13 psi before the game, it will remain at 13 psi regardless of temperature, unless it springs a leak.

This alone would prohibit the Colts from executing any sort of plot to over-inflate their balls & have the Pats balls show underinflated. Besides, they are ONLY going to inflate them to whatever pressure Luck wants them.

One REALLY interesting thing is that IF the story that they re-inflated them is true then, as a DIRECT RESULT of this intervention, the Pats played with balls that were SIGNIFICANTLY over inflated throughout the second half.

"Over inflated, compared to every other football ever used under similar circumstances", that is.

It's a little convoluted, but easy to figure out by how much they were over inflated.

Here's the calc:

The reason that they were overinflated is that most (~90%) of the air inside the football was at about 50F. The pressure inside a "normally inflated, legally inflated" football, when the air inside is 50F SHOULD BE around 11 psi. The referees brought the pressure up to a minimum of 12.5 psi (if they acquiesced to Brady's preference) or around 13.0 psi (if they did not acquiesce to Brady's preference), while the air inside the football was only slightly warmed by the addition of a small amount of warmer air. Let's estimate the final temperature & the EQUIVALENT pressurization state of the balls after they were re-inflated at half-time.

We will ignore heating of the introduced air from adiabatic compression.

The pressure & temperature state of the internal air prior to repressurization was: {11.2 psig @ 50°F}
A very close approximation for the final temp can be estimated by simply “proportioning by pressure" the amount of air in the ball at each temperature.
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The Numbers:

If the refs set the balls at halftime to 12.5 psig:

The final ball pressure will be 12.5 psig = 27.2 psia
The pressure of the air at 50°F = 11.2 psig = 25.7 psia
The percent of air at 50°F in the re-inflated ball will be 25.7 psia/27.2 psia = 95%
The percent of air at 75°F in the re-inflated ball will be 100% - 95% = 5%
The final temp of the re-inflated ball will be very close to .95*(50+460) + 0.05*(75+460) = 511.3°R = 51.3°F.

By our previous calculations, the EQUIVALENT ROOM TEMP PRESSURIZATION of this ball was:

P1 = P2 * (T1/T2) = (12.5+14.7) psia * (75+460)°R / (51.3+460)°R = 28.5 psia = 13.8 psig.
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If the refs set the balls at halftime to 13.0 psig:

The final ball pressure will be 13.0 psig = 27.7 psia
The pressure of the air at 50°F = 11.2 psig = 25.7 psia
The percent of air at 50°F in the re-inflated ball will be 25.7 psia/27.7 psia = 93%
The percent of air at 75°F in the re-inflated ball will be 100% - 93% = 7%
The final temp of the re-inflated ball will be very close to .93*(50+460) + 0.07*(75+460) = 511.7°R = 51.7°F.

By our previous calculations, the EQUIVALENT ROOM TEMP PRESSURIZATION of this ball was:

P1 = P2 * (T1/T2) = (13.0+14.7) psia * (75+460)°R / (51.7+460)°R = 29.0 psia = 14.3 psig.
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The balls were reset at halftime to an EQUIVALENT pressure (i.e., had they been inflated at 75°F room temperature) of 13.8 to 14.3 psig (depending on the ref’s choice of set point). This occurred purely because most of the air inside the balls was very cold.

These balls were between 0.3 & 0.8 psi OVER the NFL specified upper limit (13.5 psi).
These balls were between 0.8 & 1.3 psi OVER the NFL nominal pressure (13.0 psi).
These balls were between 1.3 & 1.8 psi OVER the pressure that Brady prefers (12.5 psi)..

Yet, throughout the second half of the game, Brady threw these over-inflated balls just fine, and the receivers caught these over-inflated balls just fine.!!

So much for the "under-inflated balls are easier to throw & catch" nonsense.
 
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We have lawyers here positing who have substantive integrity.
One of the people I respect most is a lawyer married to my wife's sister.

That said, I love bashing lawyers. Does that make me a bad, bad person?
NO, not at all. whats black and white and looks good on a lawyer?........a pit bull.:eek:
 
anything?
 
Eenie meenie, jelly beanie, the spirits are about to speak............."Soon."
 
Goodell is distancing himself from the Deflate-Gate investigation.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/23/roger-goodell-unplugged-peter-king-nfl/
Peter King said:
One storyline during the deflated-balls saga was that the league was trying to catch the Patriots in the act of using the balls, and suspected prior to the AFC title game that the team was taking air out of the footballs before using them in games. Countered Goodell: “I was not personally aware of it until after the game.”

I wonder if there's a reason that he feels the need to do so..
 
Breaking news, the folks in charge at the NFL said this should be wrapping up soon.

Vincent on January 20th two friggin months ago said:
We’re hoping to wrap that up in the next two or three days,” Vincent said, per Pro Football Talk. “The team is in place in New England now interviewing staff members. We obviously want to get that on the table, get that behind us so that we can really get back to the game itself.”

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2015/01/nfl-executive-deflategate-investigation-hopefully-done-in-2-3-days/

Oh whoops. Sorry. Wrong link. Goodell said similar BS to Peter King today:

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/03/23/roger-goodell-unplugged-peter-king-nfl/
 
So it will be coming out in June then?
 


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