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It was a rogue sting operation unknown to Goodell.
Therefore he can fire Kensil for going rogue and not admitting it and discipline the Colts for besmirching the league's premiere team.
And IF (obviously IF being the key word) that were to be the case (that it was a rogue operation) in addition the owners (especially the Saints) would have good cause to publicly demand Roger Goodell at the VERY least be suspended for a year. If he can suspend Sean Payton, their coach for a year for actions taken by his underlings, he can dang sure take the same punishment himself.
 
Felger also still hopeful

I caught three minutes of Felger yesterday. He argued that the ESPN reports were not damaging to the league because they already knew this. Adam Jones was shocked asking how could it not be bad news for the league when it is found out that one of their employees is playing games with and stealing footballs during the game when they are investigating the Pats for potentially doing something similiar. Felger's response was that the league knew this a few days after the AFCCG so it is nothing new and this whole thing is only bad for ESPN.

I used to not mind his contrarian act, but success has gone to his head and he is falling into the same trap that did Ordway in (getting to fat and lazy and relying too much on what made you successful until it becomes an annoyance).
 
There have been some interesting theories floated on this thread as to how the whole Deflate-Gate mess got started. I have yet another theory for the consideration of those with the patience to read lengthy comments. Its only possibly tenuous assumption is that it assumes that the Colts are not merely lying weasels, as most people on this Board believe, but actually clever lying weasels.

Among the lies that the Colts have told in connection with Deflate-Gate concerns when they first became aware that the Patriots were using underinflated footballs. The story they have been sticking to since D’Qwell Jackson denied bringing the issue to the Colts attention during the AFC Championship Game is that they noticed that the Patriots were playing with underinflated footballs during the November game in Indianapolis, presumably referring to the two balls they intercepted in the first half of that game.

Now if one assumes either that each of the footballs that the Patriots gave to the referee for testing in Indianapolis was inflated to 12.5 PSI, the level that Brady says he likes them, or that any deficiency in air pressure in them was corrected by the referee, as the NFL says the referee is supposed to do and does do, then one wouldn’t expect the air pressure in the two balls that the Colts intercepted in the game in Indianapolis to be more than a tick below 12.5 PSI. The game was played indoors and when one adds the bright lights and body heat of 65,000 plus fans, one wouldn’t expect the temperature on the field during the game to be much below the temperature of the room that the balls were stored and later tested in by the referee. Of course, being indoors, there is no rain that would reduce the internal air pressure of the footballs. However, if the Colts tested the two intercepted footballs with a pressure gauge, they would have gleaned one potentially useful piece of information: that Brady likes to play with footballs at the lower limit of the permissible PSI range.

This is where the clever part comes in. If someone in the Colts organization was familiar with ideal gas law, the Colts might have contrived a way to force Brady to play with overinflated footballs during the second half of the AFC championship game. The Carnegie Mellon experiment indicates that the weather conditions at the game could have caused and probably did cause the Patriots’ footballs to drop between 1 and 2 PSI below the minimum, depending on whether they were taken out of the ball bag and exposed to the pouring rain. By re-inflating the footballs to 12.5 PSI at half-time, the NFL forced Brady to play with balls during the second half that would have tested at 13.5-14.5 PSI when they were warm and dry prior to the game—far more than Brady likes them. In order to bring this about Grigson might have suggested during his conversation with the league office in the week before the game that the league check the pressure of the footballs at half-time. Or, if he didn’t want to be that obvious, say something like the following: “You know we noticed that the Patriots were playing with underinflated footballs during their game against us in Indianapolis. And the funny thing was we saw the referee measure them with a gauge prior to the game.” That would have been enough to steer a Patriots-hater like Kensil to check them at half-time, given a pretext for doing so. The Colts could have reasonably and, in retrospect, accurately anticipated the utter cluelessness of the referees, NFL and entire sports media about the effects of temperature and rain on the internal air pressure of a football.

For this scam to be worth the bother, Luck would need to be a quarterback, like Aaron Rodgers, that either prefers to play or is comfortable with playing with footballs at or above the 13.5 PSI maximum, as the Colts’ footballs also would be checked at half-time of the AFC Championship game. But that might well be the case. Of course, since the Colts knew in advance that there was a good chance that their footballs would be tested at half-time, they could have taken measures to ensure that their footballs stayed above the 12.5 PSI threshold, such as inflating their footballs to the 13.5 PSI maximum before the game or storing their footballs in a cold place (e.g., the unheated storage compartment of a bus) before handing them to the referee to be tested prior to the game. This theory explains why the Colts didn’t raise the issue of underinflated footballs during their game in Indianapolis when they had every incentive to do so: the Patriots’ footballs didn’t fall below the 12.5 PSI threshold during that game.

Now let’s consider what might have happened.

1. Playing with overinflated footballs screws up Brady and the Colts go on to win the AFC Championship Game. Would the story have been, “Patriots get cheated out of AFC Title by being forced to use overinflated footballs during the second half?” Of course not. The story the next day and weeks thereafter would have been, “Patriots try to cheat their way to another title, but fortunately the NFL catches them in time and justice prevails.” Were an investigation conducted, the most that the Patriots could hope for was some tepid conclusion by Wells that there wasn’t enough evidence that the Patriots tampered with the footballs, which is all we’re likely to get anyway. Under no circumstances would Wells risk his relationship with the NFL by suggesting that the NFL may have caused the Patriots to lose the game by unfairly handicapping them with overly inflated footballs. And there is no way making the charge that the Patriots were using underinflated footballs would ever redound to the Colts’ detriment. There is no way to prove that the Colts made this allegation in bad faith as there is no way to prove, absent a confession by the Colts, that the Colts didn’t notice that the Patriots footballs were underinflated at the game in Indianapolis.

2. Colts outscore patriots in second half, but Patriots hang on to win the game anyway. Under this scenario the chorus in the media that the Patriots should be stripped of their title would be loud and large, and would not be confined to loons like Gregg Doyel. The Patriots’ appearance in the Super Bowl would be seen as illegitimate and there would be considerable sympathy for the Colts in the press that they were the rightful representatives of the AFC.

3. Patriots outscore Colts in second half but by not as much as they did in first half. Similar to #2, but not quite as bad from a Patriots perspective, although the claim would be made that had the Colts not been forced to play catch-up because of the Patriots’ cheating that the Colts would have won the game.

4. What actually happened: Patriots outscore Colts by more in the second half with the overinflated balls than they did in the first half. Even with this outcome, there was considerable advantage in insinuating that the Patriots engaged in ball tampering: the scandal deflected attention away from the Colts’ pathetic performance in the AFC Championship Game and tainted the accomplishments of a despised rival in the eyes of the public. The Colts’ minions in the press were also able to score points for high mindedness by conceding that the Patriots’ cheating did not affect the outcome of the game, but that the integrity of the game demanded that the Patriots be punished severely.

Under any of the possible scenarios that the Colts might have contemplated, there was considerable upside and no downside to making a bad faith allegation that the Patriots were using underinflated footballs. The perfect sports crime.
 
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The fact that both teams were not under investigation already shows bias. They measure the balls at halftime, these balls don't match those balls so we suspect tampering. Okay, either set is suspect then because we don't know what they should read.

Any normal person would probably just say who gives a ****, "We've got some guy over there stealing footballs, we've got a missing K-ball and an unnaproved ball someone tried to replace it with. So why the **** are we measuring ball pressure?" The whole investigation's a red herring.
 
Giving too much credit to Grigson. This is the guy who thought it was a good idea to trade a first round draft pick for Trent Richardson. Not exactly Mensa material. I doubt that Grigson could even spell "dope addict owner".
 
November game was in Indy. The reffs would have given all the game balls to Indy staff and they would have been on the Indy sideline. If Indy tested the Patriots balls then they tampered. Grigson's story does not make any sense.
 
Grigson wants to get ahead of the Wells report. He probably has a good idea of the outcome to the investigation and he wants to make sure his team isn't skewered in the press from the Wells report findings. He wasn't upfront in his press conference. He could have done that weeks ago. Instead he was covering the Colts organization and trying to add another layer of confusion.

The NFL front office is loaded with ex-Jets officials and fans ( Kensil, Scott Miller, etc). Grigson bet on the wrong horse when he warned the NFL of his concerns.
 
This entire debacle simply proves that BB and the Pats have deflated every critic's balls. :D
 
http://beantowngal.com/2015/02/21/the-missing-key-to-deflategate/

This article brings up a couple of good points I hadn't thought of. Arrow points pretty decidedly at Colts or Kensil as the source of the leaks. Not that this is surprising. But how could Kravitz have known/been informed of the investigation on Sunday night, before the Pats had even been notified? It is pretty clear that Indy leaked this info, maybe Kensil confirmed for Kravitz, and I do think the league has to be pissed about that. Indy started this **** storm, and they are going to have to answer for compromising the integrity of the investigation and potentially slandering a competitor.
 
November game was in Indy. The reffs would have given all the game balls to Indy staff and they would have been on the Indy sideline. If Indy tested the Patriots balls then they tampered. Grigson's story does not make any sense.

I saw ken mention Grigson mention the November game - but I didn't see it in his comments. Did Grigson mention November during the Combine?
 
NFL EVP of Football Operations Troy Vincent said they were told by Grigson during the second quater of the AFC Championship game http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...d-nfl-off-to-deflated-balls-in-patriots-colts

Then at the combine Grigson said "Listen, you know, earlier in that week, prior to the AFC Championship game, we notified the league of our concerns. We went in to the game and we had some issues. We’re going to do what we can and that’s to participate in the league’s investigation until the Wells report comes out. We have no other course to wait until that investigation comes about. I’m not going to get into specifics. Like I said, the report should have all the specifics. Like I said, I did my job and here we are. Hopefully, you know, everything will come out and everyone will be able to have a clear look at the situation.

Like I said, we had concerns just like I think any General Manager would do, [they] want their team to play on a level playing field, and we took the proper steps to ensure that and it’s up to the league to ensure that happens. Again, if rules were broken, we’ll see…if not, that’s what the investigation is for. We’re just trying to do our jobs in giving our team the best chance to win on a level playing field."

Grigson never said anything about the November game at Indy. This actually gives more credence that the Ravens were involved telling (setting up) the Colts.

This is a mess. Grigson said they had concerns pregame and told the NFL (Sting). Vincent says it is because of a Colts complaint in second quarter (not a Sting) Grigson doesn't mention why they have concerns (Ravens?) Ball Colts intercepted has significant lower PSI than other Patriots game balls? NFL official fired for tampering with gameballs.
 
A clear picture comes to my mind now.

1) Ravens Play Patriots January 10th. This was around 18 degrees at the game. PSI would have been low because of this. They test intercepted balls and don't understand temp affect. Ball is + 2 PSI low.
2) Brady tells Ravens learn the rules
3) Ravens tell Colts
4) Colts tell NFL
5) Colts intercept ball and it is 1 PSI less (not as cold) They remove 1 more PSI to match what Ravens tell them
6) make complaint to Kinsel (pre arrainged)
7) Kinsel does the rest
8) Colts tell Kravitz

Basically because 2 teams don't understand PSI and temp correlation this happens.
 
The Grigson and the Vincent public statements are clearly at odds.

Grigson: told NFL before game.

Vincent: Told me (NFL) at halftime.

The only resolution is that either one of these guys is lying or that Grigson 'told the NFL' by telling someone in the NFL hierarchy other than Vincent. Kensil?

Why don't any 'reporters' get any of this stuff clarified?
 
The Grigson and the Vincent public statements are clearly at odds.

Grigson: told NFL before game.

Vincent: Told me (NFL) at halftime.

The only resolution is that either one of these guys is lying or that Grigson 'told the NFL' by telling someone in the NFL hierarchy other than Vincent. Kensil?

Why don't any 'reporters' get any of this stuff clarified?
To be honest, as much as the media has truly screwed themselves on this situation, I will give them a very small benefit of the doubt and guess they (Grigson, Vincent) are no longer answering questions.

I don't know if the question had been asked since Grigson said that but I don't expect any answers until the report comes out. Especially from Vincent who is a league employee (correct?) and under the control of Emperor Goodell
 

Interesting.

SoV might not be off about Kensil getting fired - his actions appear completely out of line. If a referee in a game earlier in the year refused to reinflate a ball that deflated because of pressure, what authority does he have to do likewise?

Also seems like Grigson might be in the same boat. If the league can prove they stuck a needle in that ball even to gauge it, he should face punishment.
 
I really hope this investigation turned inward as it should have. It is abundantly clear that what happened was a creation of Kensil and Grigson and their unyielding desire to nail the Patriots. IMO they thought it would be easy because of the way that the Patriots rolled over for the league during Camera in the Wrong Place Gate, they weren't counting on the Patriots and their fans fighting back the way they have. Kensil in particular thought he could simply declare them guilty and it would go unchallenged and the sanctions would be levied without a fight. As it turned out they ended up snaring their own employees stealing game balls earmarked for charity and came up empty handed in their effort to prove any wrongdoing on the part of the Patriots. They thought they could try them by leak and punish them by fiat and it all blew up in their faces. Now the focus needs to be fully upon Kensil, Grison, and anyone else involved in the effort to frame the Patriots, and when it concludes their heads need to roll.
 
As a minor point, Vincent didn't say Grigson came to him.
That's why the rogue sting theory is so believable at this point. Why the head of officiating (that's Vincent, right?) would be unaware of an issue solely within his domain according to the rule book lends a lot of credence to that.
 
4. What actually happened: Patriots outscore Colts by more in the second half with the overinflated balls than they did in the first half.

And in the Super Bowl Tom went 13 for 15 in the fourth quarter with balls that were handled by the league (i.e. guaranteed to be compliant).

I think we have established that it really doesn't matter.

EDIT: Oh, and there were no fumbles in the game, so can we put that canard to rest as well?
 


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