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The Patriots will pick a RB in the first 2 rounds


Since this thread is mostly about mocking Gurley to the Pats around pick 32...

Why are people so sure about Gurley? I don't mean just the ACL injury. I looked up 2012, 2013, and 2014 Georgia Bulldogs seasons and each year his backup posted similar YPC and touchdows per carry. Are we sure this isn't a OL/system thing? It seems every year "RB who isn't Todd Gurley" performs on par with Todd Gurley in the Bulldogs offense, and Keith Marshall and Nick Chubb weren't getting garbage-time carries either.

Honestly I am not so sure about Gurley though he is probably the only RB I take at 32 from what I have read. If you draft a RB in the first round he needs to be able to have game changing impact like a Lynch/Peterson/Charles. If not I would not do it. Gurley is said to be this kind of player from what I have read and seen so he is the only 1st round RB I have.

Personally if the Pats do fulfill my prediction I hope it is a 2nd round RB cause there will be much better value there and I just find the idea of taking a player with your first pick that can only play 60% of the snaps max not ideal.
 
I very much doubt we'll use a 1st or 2nd runner on a RB. We have bigger needs - namely DL and OL. Who knows how much longer Wilfork has, we are long in the tooth at DL. As far as OL, we need an upgrade to interior OL, so we won't get bullied by DTs like Martellus Bennet again. Keeping Tom Brady upright gives us a chance to win any game.

Now as far as RB. I don't feel we resign Ridley, but I really want us to bring back Vereen. He is a key piece in the jigsaw to beating top defenses who can shut down the run. Why run your head into a brick wall when you can use the short passing game to the HB to move the chains?

As far as the Vereen and Ridley picks go, they have been excellent use of draft capital. Those two players how been a part of two superbowl runs and one superbowl win. However if we resign one of those guys, hopefully Vereen, we should only have to use a mid to late draft pick to pick up more depth. Remember that Blount is under contract for 2015 and I feel he would make an adequate primary ball-carrier. So my focus switches to Vereen.

White though unproven could be a capable backup RB. And Bolden and Jonas Gray look like decent, not great, backups as well. I'd say earliest we take a RB would be about the 3rd or 4th round if one of our scouts likes somebody a lot.

PS Why the hell would you draft a football player named Gurley? Seriously... We're playing football here, not barbie dolls. I know it's not the best reason to dislike a player, but you guys are talking about a 1st round pick here. The guy better be a homerun in the 1st round. The Pats are reknown for making their 1st rounders count.
 
It starts with how good the line is. No RB can run if the holes aren't there. Why invest such a premium pick in a RB when you have obvious needs on both lines? Those needs far outweigh a RB.
Abdullah at Nebraska played with a suspect Oline. Trust me, an amazing player.

I think improving our running game is a factor. I'd start with guards, but if TJ Yeldin is available at 64, I think that's good good value.y
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It's time for us to do something like that. We were burned by Larry Maroney, who played way below his abilities. I still have nightmares of him being armtackled in the 2008 SB by diving Giants LBers. Busting a few big runs would have changed that game's dynamic.
 
This question is irrelevant Pats-wise but I'm curious...

Why is Gregory considered a consensus top 10 pick when Beasley...

-Has better size
-tied/better athleticism
-better college production

they both project as 3-4 OLBs right? Is it just a matter of ceiling?
 
This question is irrelevant Pats-wise but I'm curious...

Why is Gregory considered a consensus top 10 pick when Beasley...

-Has better size
-tied/better athleticism
-better college production

they both project as 3-4 OLBs right? Is it just a matter of ceiling?

Gregory is two inches taller and has longer arms and has a body type that looks like it can take another twenty pounds or so. Gregory just looks really explosive so it's all about upside with Gregory. But i'm a fan of Beasley but Gregory just projects that little bit better.
 
Normally we would want quick twitch edge rushers , but bb does not seem to care that much about that.
 
Could they pick Gurley if he falls, but the Patriots medical staff like what they see of his knee? Sure, it's a Patriots staple (See Gronk, Easley, etc...).

But this is a year where they have a chance to address some higher priority issue positions:

WR
DT
PR (Pass rusher)
OL

I would prefer that their primary focus is on those positions.
 
Could they pick Gurley if he falls, but the Patriots medical staff like what they see of his knee? Sure, it's a Patriots staple (See Gronk, Easley, etc...).

But this is a year where they have a chance to address some higher priority issue positions:

WR
DT
PR (Pass rusher)
OL

I would prefer that their primary focus is on those positions.

They have 5 top 100 picks. There's a lot of nice choices in the 32-64 range currently.
 
They have 5 top 100 picks. There's a lot of nice choices in the 32-64 range currently.


I agree, and I expect that they'll spend 2-4 picks on the IOL this year*. It being the Patriots, I just don't know how many of those will be in early rounds.





*Everything subject to free agency, naturally
 
I agree, and I expect that they'll spend 2-4 picks on the IOL this year*. It being the Patriots, I just don't know how many of those will be in early rounds.





*Everything subject to free agency, naturally

Agreed. Curious to know what they think Cameron Fleming is. Hopefully he'll be the RG. Nate Solder is the other issue needing a new contract in '16.
 
as for RB i d be very dissapointed if pats are gonna pick above UDFA
 
This is my new prediction for this draft year and the more I think about it the more sure I am about it.

Lets look at the reasons why.

Reason 1: Past history indicates they will.

In Patriots History under BB the Pats have used high draft capital 3 times on a RB.

2004 - Traded for Corey Dillion (2nd), 2006 - Drafted - Lawrence Maroney (1st) , 2011 - Drafted Vereen (2nd).

BB historically does not like to pay RBs but he in the past he has shown value in them by investing draft picks. The circumstances of picking up these backs are interesting.

2004 - The Patriots had a good D and solid WR core.
2006 - Same as 2004.
2011 - Same as 2004.

Let me explain a bit about 2006 and 2011.

In 2006 going into the draft the Patriots had a solid D and still had Deion Branch and were probably counting on keeping him. Contract talks broke off in May after the draft. They probably did not expect Branch to hold out and thought this RB would offer the last peice of an otherwise balanced team.

In 2011 the Pats had just drafted Hernandez and Gronk a year ago and had WRs in place. They thought they had plenty of pass catching options. The D was not perfect but decent. It had McCourty coming off a ROTY caliber season looking like a potential #1 CB. Vet signings of Andre Cater, Haynesworth. This was an off season not unlike this year when they loaded up but just missed on a few big things and a few players did not pan out/got injured. This was a plan to have a complete team so BB thought he would draft a RB high (and one in the 3rd too).

The pattern is clear. BB worries about RB last. Once he feels he has everything else he is willing to spend premium picks to get one he believes is good.

Reason 2: This RB class is really good.

I don't believe there is a HOF back in this draft. I think there are several "Hall of very good" RBs though. This is the deepest RB draft I have seen in quite some time. This works in favor of this argument cause even though BB does draft with a mind towards positions a lot he almost never picks someone at a spot they are not worthy of. By the time 32 and 64 rolls around (assuming no trade ups or downs) there will be at least 1 if not more RBs that are good value.

Reasons 3: BB does not pay for RBs.

BB values RBs but in a very specific way it appears to me. They are worth using high assets to get but not worth keeping for high dollars. He would rather use a pick to get a RB on a low contract than spend for one. This year also makes going after one of the high priced RBs in FA particularly impractical due to other needs to fill. So if we assume BB wants to get a RB on the cheap he either A) Needs to trade for one or B) Needs to draft one. As far as i know there is no cheap top RB who can trade for right now like the Dillon situation (which i will remind you BB didn't mind using a 2nd round pick for a 2-3 year player)

Keep in mind this is not the pick i want the Pats to make automatically. Just the one i think they will.

First, for the errors.
Corey Dillon was brought to the Patriots after the 2003 season. The D after the 2003 season was in a state of FLUX because Ted Washington had left for the Raiders in March of 2004 (over a month before the trade for Dillon) . The Patriots had signed Keith Traylor, but they didn't know if he was going to be able to fill in. And let's not forget that both Harrison and Wilson had broken their arms in the SB and were recovering in the off-season.

The Pats added Dillion because he was available and Antowain Smith wasn't cutting it anymore.

The Defense after the 2005 season was in shambles. I don't get where you think it was good. The Pats had lost Bruschi to the stroke. Ted Johnson had to retire. Junior Seau didn't sign until mid August, 4 days after saying he was retiring. The Pats had one "known" corner in Asante Samuel who'd just completed his 3rd year.. They had a half-decent rookie in Hobbs. Rodney had spent most of the season in IR. As had Randall Gay..

Contrary to your claims, the WR corps going into the draft was a mess, regardless of what happened with Deion Branch. David Givens had already left for a big payday with the Titans. Troy Brown retired. David Patten was gone.. They had no one other than Reche Caldwell who they had signed in March.

So, the idea that this was somehow the same going into the 2004 draft is a fantasy.

After the 2010 season, the Patriots WR corps was anything but strong. They had Wes Welker and an unknown in Edelman. Hardly what I'd call a solid WR Corps.. As for the defense, most people admit that the defense was helped out tremendously in the 2010 season by the offense.. But they were 1 and done to the lowly Jets.. And if the defense had been so great, why did Belichick dump TBC and Ty Warren to go get Andre Carter and Mark Anderson.

What you are over-looking is the obvious. During the 2003 season, the Pats used 4 RBs in Antowain Smith, Cloud, Faulk, and Patrick Pass. They also used 2 FBs in Larry Centers and Fred McCrary.. Belichick wanted a go-to runner as a true counter to Kevin Faulk being the 3rd down back. Only Faulk and Pass were under contract going into 2004.

During the 2005 season, the Pats used Corey Dillon, Mike Cloud, Patrick Pass, Amos Zereoue, and Kevin Faulk.. Belichick wanted a go to runner to bring and and learn from Dillon.. Only Dillon and Faulk were under contract going into 2006.

During the 2010 season, the Pats had BJGE, Woodhead, Sammie Morris, Fred Taylor, and Kevin Faulk. Taylor and Faulk were on their last legs. Morris was pretty much done as well. So the Pats had BJGE and Woodhead. They needed more bodies..

The difference between this year and the years that you mention?
Legarrette Blount is under contract for next year.
Jonas Gray is under contract for next year.
Brandon Bolden is under contract for next year.
Tyler Gaffney is under contract for next year, though he is coming off an injury, which doesn't bode well for him..
James White is under contract for next year.

I think it's fairly obvious that your assumptions about the 2004, 2006, and 2011 years are erroneous and that invalidates the entire premise of the idea of why the Patriots would use a 2nd round pick on a RB.

You shrugging off the upgrading of the interior line (both left and right guard) lends to the idea that you just don't understand how valuable good O-linemen are to a running game.

As for the statement that "BB doesn't pay for RBs", that is about as true as saying "BB doesn't pay for WRs". Both statements are false. BB has paid for RBs.. He paid for Corey Dillon. He paid for Maroney. He paid for Kevin Faulk.

BB will pay for what he believes is talent. Plain and simple. He's done it with every position on the team except punter, I think.

The only CLEAR pattern that BB has established is that he's pretty methodical. He and the coaches rate all the players on the team. Then they rate all the players who are available in free agency as well as the players that make the lists that the scouting department gives him and Caserio. They prioritize what they need and where they can get the best bang for the buck. If it so happens that the best bang for the buck is a 2nd round RB, then that's what it will be.. However, in my honest opinion, the likelihood of that is going to be low because they already have 5 on the roster who they know and unless you can say, with certainty, that any of these top RBs you mention will be better than Blount, Gray or White, I just don't see it happening.
 
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Would you rather improve at RB early or go defensive line? There is a big need for our DL to get better. We didn't generate a great pass rush this year. By neglecting our DL early we are saying that we think that RB is in more need of help, which it is not. If our line was as good as it was in our early championship years, then we'd be an amazing defense. Our secondary is there. Our linebackers are there. Our line is not. Wilfork is aging and is not worth his cap hit. Chandler Jones has shown flashes but he has not reached that next level. Ninko is our best lineman and that isn't good enough. Hopefully Easley comes back strong and ready to contribute, but he's just another "what if" on the line for us right now.

I keep hearing that we didn't generate a pass rush, but you have nothing to support that. On the contrary, the Pats had numerous hurries and QB hits all season. They also put up 40 sacks on the year, not including the play-offs.

I agree that the D-line needs help, but only because we don't have enough depth. They need depth behind Jones and Ninkovich, as well inside. Easley will hopefully be one of those since he plays both End and DT. Hopefully, the Pats will either bring Branch back, or add another big body in the draft to learn behind Wilfork. Not because Wilfork isn't worth his cap hit (he is, contrary to your opinion), but because Wilfork will be 34 and the Pats need someone to groom behind him.
 
Being down is one thing. However if you are trying to tell me if the game was close or even if the Patriots were up they would have continued running while getting a 1.1YPA average then I don't buy it.

The fact is the run game sucked that game and being down was not the reason. It is not like they were picking up 4 yard chunks but were forced to get away from it. It simply did not work cause it was not good enough. Saying anything else to me is trying to make excuses for it.

The problem, to me, is that you seem to think that Belichick actually had plans to try and run the ball on Baltimore. I don't believe he did at all. The Pats ran the ball all of 7 times in the 1st half. One of those 7 was Brady's improvised TD run on a passing play.

What you don't seem to understand or comprehend is that the reason for the lack of a running game was the O-LINE, not the running backs. There weren't holes for them to run through. Primarily because the Baltimore D-line was man-handling them on running plays.. Which Belichick clearly figured would happened since Wendell has always been horrible against Baltimore and Connolly was recovering from his concussion..

A good O-line will always make a RB look better than he is.. A good RB almost never makes the O-line look better than they are..
 
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The only CLEAR pattern that BB has established is that he's pretty methodical. He and the coaches rate all the players on the team. Then they rate all the players who are available in free agency as well as the players that make the lists that the scouting department gives him and Caserio. They prioritize what they need and where they can get the best bang for the buck. If it so happens that the best bang for the buck is a 2nd round RB, then that's what it will be.. However, in my honest opinion, the likelihood of that is going to be low because they already have 4 on the roster who they know and unless you can say, with certainty, that any of these top RBs you mention will be better than Blount, Gray or White, I just don't see it happening.

Well you made some very interesting points there. I don't agree with all of them but that is what this is for right? : ) To share different points of view.

Going into 2004 the D was solid (or expected to be). I did not say perfect but solid which i think is important for BB before he spends high draft capital. NT was not perfect. He did get Wilfork which sure helped but they had a few question marks. However I think they expected their Safeties to be healthy. had Law, McGinest, Seymour, Warren, ect... Their D was going to be good (maybe not the best in the NFL but good) and they knew it. They do not have to be the best IMO for BB to spend on a RB. You mention that Dillon just happened to be available. True. If he was not say maybe they Pats would not have gone RB. That is besides the point though. He was and they did. The point IMO is salary providing the Pats don't mind blowing a pick on RB given the rest of the team is in good shape.

In 2006 their WR situation was not perfect but good enough. Brown did not retire going into 2006. He was on the roster that year. Branch would have been too. They signed Reche Caldwell and Gaffney. They did feel the unit could use a boost so they drafted Chad Jackson after Maroney who they were really high on. Also Ben Watson was coming off a strong 2005 and maybe they thought he would break out in 2006. It was not a perfect WR core for sure but with Branch, a high draft pick and the depth they had i think they would have been good with it. Again this is not about being perfect at a spot as much as feeling it is solid enough.

Also though 2005 obviously was not a good year for the D due to injury I think it showed enough in the 2nd half after Bruschi got healthy and the added pieces were put in to make BB think it would do well in 2006. Obviously in 2006 they were better at least in the regular season though i think they kind of wore down by the stretch. However surrendering 14.6 PPG and being 2nd in scoring D is pretty good. I would hope a Coach like BB could read they layout and think "2005 seemed like an abbreviation for this unit... looking at who i have 2006 should be better health permitting" Frankly the Pats were so fortunate in 2003 and 2004 the injury bug was bound to strike in 2005. I think the fact that the 2006 D was good is more important than the fact the 2005 D had issues (particularly in the first half).

The 2010 offense had Welker/Branch (who was switch from Moss)/Gronk/Hernandez. I think Gronk and Hernandez showed enough in 2010 to make BB confident that his group of pass catches was good going into 2011. You can't just look at the WR core. It is all the pass catchers. Also the Pats did address the D in 2011 with FAs as well as young talent.

Then you mention the obvious. That the Pats had need of RBs in those years. I did not over look it. As you said it is obvious. The Pats were going to address RB in those years whether it was with the use of high value assests or FA. One way or another it was getting addressed. That is 100% right.

My point is the Pats usually don't use high value assets to address RB. They have addressed it in the past several times with UDFA/low draft picks/low cost FA.

So my question is why in THESE particular cases did the Pats invest a lot of capital in RB and not other times? I stated my case for that and clearly it did not convince you. That is perfectly fine.

Also I stand by what I said. BB does not (or at least has not) paid near top dollar on RBs.

For Dillon the cap hits were 2.15M (2005) & 2.6M (2006) Faulk I think made at most 3.5M a year and usually a good amount less. Maroney signed a 5 yr deal worth a little under 9M and I don't think he saw the biggest years of that one. I hope that clarifies what I meant to say in that regard.

Now let me get a bit more clear.

#1 I am not advocating for this. I am saying I think it is BB's thought process. Personally I am against it.
#2 Do not presume to guess how i value OL or presume I think they are not important. If you want to know ask me. Now let me save you time and volunteer that information. I think they are very undervalued. I think a solid OL is vital to championship play. I think WRs and RBs are frankly a little overrated when it comes to championship play.

Give me a great Guard over a great RB any day and twice on Sunday.

Your summation is not bad. I agree with the broad strokes of it. However I think it leaves out details which is understandable (it is a summation after all) which is important to my overall point.

BB does look for bang for the buck and evaluates all positions. However he does not do this equally in the least. He knows an A+ at OLB does not equal an A+ at QB as far as overall impact in winning or losing. I think when he takes his methodical approach He knows which positions are more important than others. It is about knowing if upgrading 20% on CB helps more than upgrading 25% on Guard so to speak. I think he builds a team knowing RBs though nice to have do not tend to have a strong correlation with winning championships overall. That is why much of the time he gets a committee of decent RBs and once it is done moves on to more important matters. I believe that is his philosophy. I also believe that at some points he has looked at his team and said "you know, if a RB i think is particularly good is available even if other upgrades are available they might not help as much as that one right now". You ask me that unless I can say with certainty a RB in the draft or one we trade for will be an upgrade over what we have I can't convince you it will happen. I ask you what are you talking about with certainty? Nothing is certain particularly in football. It is all about best guess risk assessment.

My best guess is this is BB's best guess so he takes a measured risk for a potential reward.
 
The ol is as strong as its weakest link. And there are some weak links. The running game is only as strong as the ol.
 
The problem, to me, is that you seem to think that Belichick actually had plans to try and run the ball on Baltimore. I don't believe he did at all. The Pats ran the ball all of 7 times in the 1st half. One of those 7 was Brady's improvised TD run on a passing play.

What you don't seem to understand or comprehend is that the reason for the lack of a running game was the O-LINE, not the running backs. There weren't holes for them to run through. Primarily because the Baltimore D-line was man-handling them on running plays.. Which Belichick clearly figured would happened since Wendell has always been horrible against Baltimore and Connolly was recovering from his concussion..

A good O-line will always make a RB look better than he is.. A good RB almost never makes the O-line look better than they are..

Bruinz, first off I would appreciate it if you address my future post with a bit less of a condescending tone. I think going on here to converse is fine but when you say things like "What you don't seem to understand or comprehend" it comes off badly. Thanks in advance.

Now let me move on to your points.

I do not believe BB thought the run would work. Never said that. I only said the run was a big issue in that game and obviously if it would have worked more that would have been very welcome. No surprise there.

BB was not shy about getting away from it once he saw to his-not-so-surprise was it was not working. However he did want to give it a chance to see how it went which is interesting. He did not simply just pass every down from the start and only did that once the run game proved ineffective in reality. If he never had the intention to run at all using any runs plays would be a waste. Obviously he intended to try and see if it had a shot.

Also yes the lack of the run game was clearly on the OL. They got no push and were often blown up. When did i claim otherwise about that game? You could have had Barry Sanders or Jim Brown back there and it would not have mattered.

About your last point i disagree but only cause of the way you stated it though i think your overall point is generally true. Good OL and average running back is better than an average OL and good RB. Sure I agree 100%. I think the phase "a good RB almost never makes the O-line look better than they are" is an overstatement. Probably just got carried away trying to make your greater point I assume?

You seem to think I don't want to improve at Guard or I think the OL is fine as is. Not at all the case I assure you. I want the OL to be better. It is pretty good at pass protection but leaves a lot to be desired in run blocking. I don't think a better RB will cure all it's ills. In fact I would probably prefer to take a Guard over a RB depending on the guard that falls.

I think BB can and will upgrade both. I just think he probably addresses RB high. Maybe he will address both high. Maybe it he goes first round guard 2nd round rb or 1st round RB 2nd round guard. That would not surprise me in the least.

However I think he is more likely to go high RB than G overall due to pass history. He has taken more RBs than Gs in the higher rounds IIRC. I think Mankins is the only high guard he has taken.
 
Well you made some very interesting points there. I don't agree with all of them but that is what this is for right? : ) To share different points of view.

Going into 2004 the D was solid (or expected to be). I did not say perfect but solid which i think is important for BB before he spends high draft capital. NT was not perfect. He did get Wilfork which sure helped but they had a few question marks. However I think they expected their Safeties to be healthy. had Law, McGinest, Seymour, Warren, ect... Their D was going to be good (maybe not the best in the NFL but good) and they knew it. They do not have to be the best IMO for BB to spend on a RB. You mention that Dillon just happened to be available. True. If he was not say maybe they Pats would not have gone RB. That is besides the point though. He was and they did. The point IMO is salary providing the Pats don't mind blowing a pick on RB given the rest of the team is in good shape.

No, the Pats didn't know it. Why? Because one only has to look back at 2002 when they didn't have a NT to see what that can mean.. Also, Ty Warren was only a 2nd year player.. He hadn't established himself yet.. You're making way too many assumptions about what the status of the team really was.

In 2006 their WR situation was not perfect but good enough. Brown did not retire going into 2006. He was on the roster that year. Branch would have been too. They signed Reche Caldwell and Gaffney. They did feel the unit could use a boost so they drafted Chad Jackson after Maroney who they were really high on. Also Ben Watson was coming off a strong 2005 and maybe they thought he would break out in 2006. It was not a perfect WR core for sure but with Branch, a high draft pick and the depth they had i think they would have been good with it. Again this is not about being perfect at a spot as much as feeling it is solid enough.

I stand corrected about Troy Brown.. However, you are wrong about Gaffney. Gaffney wasn't added until the October 9th, 2006. Well into the season. Doug Gabriel was added to the team via trade on Sept 2nd. And he didn't last the season. So this idea that the WRs was solid is just BS on your part..

Also though 2005 obviously was not a good year for the D due to injury I think it showed enough in the 2nd half after Bruschi got healthy and the added pieces were put in to make BB think it would do well in 2006. Obviously in 2006 they were better at least in the regular season though i think they kind of wore down by the stretch. However surrendering 14.6 PPG and being 2nd in scoring D is pretty good. I would hope a Coach like BB could read they layout and think "2005 seemed like an abbreviation for this unit... looking at who i have 2006 should be better health permitting" Frankly the Pats were so fortunate in 2003 and 2004 the injury bug was bound to strike in 2005. I think the fact that the 2006 D was good is more important than the fact the 2005 D had issues (particularly in the first half).

So, now your changing your argument to fit reality.. That's called spinning.. The 2005 Defense was 17th in points allowed and 26 in yards allowed.

You pulling the 2006 Defense into the argument is non-sensical as it had no bearing on what the Pats did in the 2006 draft. The Pats drafted Maroney and Jackson because they needed a RB and a WR. Both were Josh McDaniels picks, though they were done with BB's support.

The 2010 offense had Welker/Branch (who was switch from Moss)/Gronk/Hernandez. I think Gronk and Hernandez showed enough in 2010 to make BB confident that his group of pass catches was good going into 2011. You can't just look at the WR core. It is all the pass catchers. Also the Pats did address the D in 2011 with FAs as well as young talent.

You said solid WRs. Not Solid Receivers. Gronk and Hernandez are TEs, not WRs. Here you are, again, changing your argument because what you stated originally was flawed and your doing a poor job trying to make up for it.

Then you mention the obvious. That the Pats had need of RBs in those years. I did not over look it. As you said it is obvious. The Pats were going to address RB in those years whether it was with the use of high value assests or FA. One way or another it was getting addressed. That is 100% right.

Yes, you did overlook it and trying to say otherwise is a lie and everyone here knows it. If you hadn't overlooked it, you'd have mentioned it in your OP. Something you didn't do and you said as much when reflexblue pointed out the issue.

My point is the Pats usually don't use high value assets to address RB. They have addressed it in the past several times with UDFA/low draft picks/low cost FA.

So my question is why in THESE particular cases did the Pats invest a lot of capital in RB and not other times? I stated my case for that and clearly it did not convince you. That is perfectly fine.

Also I stand by what I said. BB does not (or at least has not) paid near top dollar on RBs.

Here is yet another flawed statement on your part. There is no "usual" for the Patriots when it comes to adding a RB. They spend the capital they have available at the time based on how they perceive their need. The times when the need was the highest, they spent high capital. When it's been lowest, they've not spent as much.

As for standing by what you said, that doesn't make you correct. It makes you stubborn and ignorant. Particularly when the facts contradict you.

For Dillon the cap hits were 2.15M (2005) & 2.6M (2006) Faulk I think made at most 3.5M a year and usually a good amount less. Maroney signed a 5 yr deal worth a little under 9M and I don't think he saw the biggest years of that one. I hope that clarifies what I meant to say in that regard.

It didn't clarify anything. All it did was show that you are grasping at straws because you aren't willing to admit that your entire premise was wrong. Dillon's cap number may have only been 2.15 for 2005 and 2.6 for 2006, but the Pats paid him close to $10M for those 2 years as part of the contract he'd signed. As for Kevin Faulk, his 2009 cap hit was $4.29M. And that was for a 3rd down back that was seeing 400-500 snaps a year.

Now let me get a bit more clear.

#1 I am not advocating for this. I am saying I think it is BB's thought process. Personally I am against it.
#2 Do not presume to guess how i value OL or presume I think they are not important. If you want to know ask me. Now let me save you time and volunteer that information. I think they are very undervalued. I think a solid OL is vital to championship play. I think WRs and RBs are frankly a little overrated when it comes to championship play.

Give me a great Guard over a great RB any day and twice on Sunday.

Unfortunately for you, your OP and comments prior to this reply contradict you.

Your summation is not bad. I agree with the broad strokes of it. However I think it leaves out details which is understandable (it is a summation after all) which is important to my overall point.

BB does look for bang for the buck and evaluates all positions. However he does not do this equally in the least. He knows an A+ at OLB does not equal an A+ at QB as far as overall impact in winning or losing. I think when he takes his methodical approach He knows which positions are more important than others. It is about knowing if upgrading 20% on CB helps more than upgrading 25% on Guard so to speak. I think he builds a team knowing RBs though nice to have do not tend to have a strong correlation with winning championships overall. That is why much of the time he gets a committee of decent RBs and once it is done moves on to more important matters. I believe that is his philosophy. I also believe that at some points he has looked at his team and said "you know, if a RB i think is particularly good is available even if other upgrades are available they might not help as much as that one right now". You ask me that unless I can say with certainty a RB in the draft or one we trade for will be an upgrade over what we have I can't convince you it will happen. I ask you what are you talking about with certainty? Nothing is certain particularly in football. It is all about best guess risk assessment.

My best guess is this is BB's best guess so he takes a measured risk for a potential reward.

You have no overall point. You've already shown that. And no, I didn't leave out any details. What you did was make assumptions and try to show how smart you are based on those assumptions. Do yourself a favor and read Patriots Reign as well as Management Secrets of the New England Patriots Vol 1 and 2.
 


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