Belichick's reaction to Butler INT

Found this great video of highlights from a fan. You can see Belichick in the background of Butler's INT. Enjoy if you haven't seen it already.

This is another fun video (unrelated to the above posted video). A fun video where the NEP current and former players try to guess whether the team won or lost a game given short clips of BB's post-game presser comments.

He should not be standing there. Is that a penalty? I thought coaches could not go more than 30yds beyond the 50yd line? Or it is the superbowl so feck it?

JediMind said:

Found this great video of highlights from a fan. You can see Belichick in the background of Butler's INT. Enjoy if you haven't seen it already.

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I so wish he didn't take the camera off the post-interception celebration.

RxJock1120 said:

I so wish he didn't take the camera off the post-interception celebration.

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On the field or in the stands?????I can tell you that being there was the greatest sports high ( as a fan) ever as fellow Pats fans who I didn't even know and had never met were high fiving and cheering like I have never seen...From the depths of " not again" to "OMG we're winning".......They gave out free towels before the game, white for Seattle, Blue for Pats and you didnt see the Pats towels waving until after the game.....and you can see it at the end of the video....

vuudu said:

He should not be standing there. Is that a penalty? I thought coaches could not go more than 30yds beyond the 50yd line? Or it is the superbowl so feck it?

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Sidelinegate.

vuudu said:

He should not be standing there. Is that a penalty? I thought coaches could not go more than 30yds beyond the 50yd line? Or it is the superbowl so feck it?

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vuudu said:

He should not be standing there. Is that a penalty? I thought coaches could not go more than 30yds beyond the 50yd line? Or it is the superbowl so feck it?

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I think the rule says coaches are restricted between the 32 yard lines so yeah at face value maybe he should have been flagged for being there...but I think the fact the Seahawks didn't protest it or anything with the Super Bowl on the line tells me that there was more to it than that and he was fine where he was.

He is all the way down there so he can get to the official and call a time out immediately after the play. You see it all the time in those situations from the defensive head coach. They don't want to lose any time while players turn and look for an official to get a time out.

It isn't needed by the offense since the QB is responsible to call the time out and the referee is positioned directly behind him on all plays.

It's way cool that BB probably had the clearest view of anyone outside of Butler himself of how that play went down!

Not only is he standing on the 12 yard line, he's also in the white area. Everyone else is way behind it. What would the penalty be for any of these? Loss of inches? Would the refs stop the clock?

The next play, he's back at the 33 yard line -- "I'm just here so I don't get fined."

PatSunday said:

Not only is he standing on the 12 yard line, he's also in the white area. Everyone else is way behind it. What would the penalty be for any of these? Loss of inches? Would the refs stop the clock?

The next play, he's back at the 33 yard line -- "I'm just here so I don't get fined."

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The real penalty would be Pete thinking twice about passing.

I can't describe how great this is for me to watch. We really needed a play like this, especially after the last 2 SB losses. Just incredible.

vuudu said:

He should not be standing there. Is that a penalty? I thought coaches could not go more than 30yds beyond the 50yd line? Or it is the superbowl so feck it?

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Perhaps Goodell and his butt boy Kensil can commission another investigation of these nefarious deeds..

I could watch these clips all day... and I have been.

sb1 said:

I think the rule says coaches are restricted between the 32 yard lines so yeah at face value maybe he should have been flagged for being there...but I think the fact the Seahawks didn't protest it or anything with the Super Bowl on the line tells me that there was more to it than that and he was fine where he was.

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These kinds of rules (trigger warning- rant) are why I loathe the NFL and the various imbeciles that manage football at all levels. There should be a distinct line between the rules and penalties that govern on field play and the plethora of stupid administrative ******** the NFL invents. BB standing at the 12 provides no in game advantage, and no in game advantage should ever be the penalty for such a violation. Pass interference provides an in game advantage if not penalized, therefore the penalty should recoup the advantage gained in a symmetric way.

Now we have to actually discuss whether the outcome of a game should have been changed because where a coach stands. If the NFL wants to force its dumbf***erry on the league than I don't really give a ****. All I ask is that they keep it off the field by doing fines or something. There's no good reason why TD celebrations should be in the same category as offsides. They belong with "wrong cleats" and "didn't talk to the media" rules.

These assholes are completely incapable of understanding their stupid pet peeves have **** all to do with football. They enforce rules on socks and think they invented the forward pass. People like Goodell are just the parasite of the moment. All I ask is that they not damage property they don't own. Like football.

Bobsyouruncle said:

These kinds of rules (trigger warning- rant) are why I loathe the NFL and the various imbeciles that manage football at all levels. There should be a distinct line between the rules and penalties that govern on field play and the plethora of stupid administrative ******** the NFL invents. BB standing at the 12 provides no in game advantage, and no in game advantage should ever be the penalty for such a violation. Pass interference provides an in game advantage if not penalized, therefore the penalty effects the game.

Now we have to actually discuss whether the outcome of a game should have been changed because where a coach stands. How stupid is that? If the NFL wants to force its dumbf***erry on the league than I don't really give a ****. All I ask is that they keep it off the field by doing fines or something. There's no good reason why TD celebrations should be in the same category as offsides. They belong with "wrong cleats" and "didn't talk to the media" rules.

These assholes are completely incapable of understanding their stupid pet peeves have **** all to do with football. They enforce rules on socks and think they invented the forward pass. People like Goodell are just the parasite of the moment. All I ask is that they not damage property they don't own. Like football.

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No one has in any serious way discussed whether this should have penalized, and we absolutely don't have to because there is absolutely 0 chance that BB could have gotten a penalty for standing there. Head coaches rarely, if ever, get penalized for standing at the 10 yard line when the play is there, and all head coaches do that all of the time. There are reasons for why coaches and players can only be between certain lines off the field. For instance, the red zone is designated for media and photographer. The rule is in part there so you can't have the whole team standing in front of the photographers when there isn't a good reason for why the team should stand there.

Marinlik said:

No one has in any serious way discussed whether this should have penalized, and we absolutely don't have to because there is absolutely 0 chance that BB could have gotten a penalty for standing there. Head coaches rarely, if ever, get penalized for standing at the 10 yard line when the play is there, and all head coaches do that all of the time. There are reasons for why coaches and players can only be between certain lines off the field. For instance, the red zone is designated for media and photographer. The rule is in part there so you can't have the whole team standing in front of the photographers when there isn't a good reason for why the team should stand there.

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You can't argue the rule is both necessary, and should never be enforced. If it's the former it should be enforced, if it's the latter the rule shouldn't exist.

Bobsyouruncle said:

You can't argue the rule is both necessary, and should never be enforced. If it's the former it should be enforced, if it's the latter the rule shouldn't exist.

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Yes I can, and I said why. The rule is there so you can't have a large number of people outside the allowed box. But having a head coach outside the box, and maybe a player or two that will be substituted quickly for the coming play, isn't a problem and won't be penalized. But you can't bring a bunch of people outside the box just because they want to watch the play. The rule should exist, and it should only be enforced if absolutely necessary, which is the case right now. Not all rules can be black and white, this is one of those that can't.

Marinlik said:

Yes I can, and I said why. The rule is there so you can't have a large number of people outside the allowed box.

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But that's not what the rule says. Do you have a secret decoder ring that tells you what the rule "really means?" If the NFL tells the refs the rule, and then turn around and tell them only enforce it for these "special reasons" not in the rule then you already have to intimate those special reasons. Put the special reasons into the rule.

Marinlik said:

But having a head coach outside the box, and maybe a player or two that will be substituted quickly for the coming play, isn't a problem and won't be penalized.

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Then how about a rule that says only coaches can leave the box. Or players entering and exiting the field.

Marinlik said:

But you can't bring a bunch of people outside the box just because they want to watch the play.

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According to the rule you can't bring one person outside the box, it doesn't say bunch. How many is a bunch? Is it enforced at 2? 3, 4?

Marinlik said:

The rule should exist, and it should only be enforced if absolutely necessary, which is the case right now. Not all rules can be black and white, this is one of those that can't.

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It's rather easy to make it black and white. If you're correct and the league is trying to prevent the nonexistent problem of teams congregating in the red zone then the rule could say just coaches, or only 3 people, or not past the redzone (which is not at the 32). As it is the league could flag anybody past the 32, and if they do it's completely within the rules. So you think licensing the refs to arbitrarily enforce rules whenever they see fit that can effect the game is a good idea? I'm sure the NFL disagrees, they have stated they try to remove ambiguity from rules.

Let's make a rule that says no team can have any players on the field. We'll only enforce it when there's more than 11 players. Makes about as much sense.