OT: It's official, Jameis Winston doesn't have the intelligence for the NFL

mosi said:

Being a winning QB in the NFL is more about hard work and preparation than pure talent. In college teams win generally because they have more pure physical talent. In the NFL, the level of talent is basically the same. It call comes down to preparation. If Winston does not realize that, he will be a bust. Just like RGIII.

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I was thinking Rohan Davey is his ceiling ........

Jetsfan25678 said:

Truth be told, his only off the field issue that concerns me is the rape allegation.

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So, you think New York market owners will be OK when he strolls in and helps himself to a few pounds of crab legs? Because you KNOW he's going to fail in Jersey.

There's such a large gap between him and the other QBs it's scary. I knew he would ace the interviews and the throwing drills of the combine so he's pretty much a lock to go number one.

A man named Brady said:

There's such a large gap between him and the other QBs it's scary. I knew he would ace the interviews and the throwing drills of the combine so he's pretty much a lock to go number one.

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How did he ace the interviews?

RayClay said:

How did he ace the interviews?

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check out his interview with Mariucchi on NFLN, which aired this evening. I am highly impressed by Winston. This kid is anything but dumb. Tampa is going to get themselves a good QB.

primetime said:

If Garoppolo was in the draft this year, he'd probably be a top 10 pick.

Winston's not my favorite human being, and he reminds me of Joe Flacco in terms of his skillset; I'd say Flacco is his ceiling. His athleticism is overblown - he's a pocket passer, not a Wilson or Manziel type - and he's got all sorts of decision-making and mechanical issues.

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and joe flacco is bad because....

TommyBrady12 said:

check out his interview with Mariucchi on NFLN, which aired this evening. I am highly impressed by Winston. This kid is anything but dumb. Tampa is going to get themselves a good QB.

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So, getting arrested stealing food from a supermarket is "smart"? Damaging an apartment complex with BB guns is "smart"? Getting handcuffed by police for carrying a pellet gun on campus is "smart"? Screaming an obscene phrase in the student union is "smart"? This kid is so dumb he's anything but smart. We won't even get into the rape allegation, which takes things to a whole different level.

He seems like he could be a fit for the rodents, after all, just last year Jace Amaro flapped his gums saying he was expecting to be the rookie of the year.

Delusions of grandeur are in their blood.

TommyBrady12 said:

check out his interview with Mariucchi on NFLN, which aired this evening. I am highly impressed by Winston. This kid is anything but dumb. Tampa is going to get themselves a good QB.

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And the talking heads said the same thing about JaMarcus Russell...

high level football iq = throwing 18 INTs in 13 games?

TommyBrady12 said:

check out his interview with Mariucchi on NFLN, which aired this evening. I am highly impressed by Winston. This kid is anything but dumb. Tampa is going to get themselves a good QB.

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It's pretty clear that, at the combine, he impressed people with his football I.Q..

patsinthesnow said:

high level football iq = throwing 18 INTs in 13 games?

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That offense is similar to the Pats offense, it is all about anticipation. The WRs are to get where he is supposed to throw the ball. When Benjamin left, the other guys were not in tune with him. With Stork not there, he was facing a lot of interior rush and that took him off his zone. If Tampa gets him, watchout. Evans is a beast, look what he did with their QB situation last season. If they keep Jackson they could have a good turn around.

vuudu said:

That offense is similar to the Pats offense, it is all about anticipation. The WRs are to get where he is supposed to throw the ball. When Benjamin left, the other guys were not in tune with him. With Stork not there, he was facing a lot of interior rush and that took him off his zone. If Tampa gets him, watchout. Evans is a beast, look what he did with their QB situation last season. If they keep Jackson they could have a good turn around.

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If you're Tampa, I'd guess that you're pretty much locked in to QB at #1 and OL in round 2, barring free agency acquisitions which change that.

If all the experts were correct then every draft would not have any busts or late round gems .... just saying.
Experts are great when they bolster one's opinion of a player ....

Tunescribe said:

Because you KNOW he's going to fail in Jersey.

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No, he will not. BTW how Florida State games did you watch last season?

I thought the OP came to his conclusion based on a football IQ test, not on a ignorance of which conferences Brady and Manning play in.

Jetsfan25678 said:

No, he will not.

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If your Green Beans draft him, he will fail miserably faster than anywhere else. Absolutely guaranteed.

Jetsfan25678 said:

BTW how Florida State games did you watch last season?

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How many did YOU watch? I watched all of them. I attended each one live, then studied the all-22 film of each game afterward. I spoke with Winston three times. All he wanted to talk about was women, getting stoned and eating crab legs. He did mention that he feared being drafted by New Jersey because they have total morons for fans and a new head coach who's in over his head.

I recorded his session earlier today and haven't watched yet, but I'll be honest, I saw every game he played in this year including one live (my daughter goes to FSU), and I'm blown away that he's going to be a number one overall pick. I would have thought of him as more of a second or third round pick but I guess looking at this year's draft class, there aren't really a lot of guys who are amazing by any means so that's probably why he'll be going higher given the talent. He's slow reading defenses and going through his progressions (I think he's going to struggle with the speed at the next level), and Jimbo Fisher is the reason why he had a lot of the success he did in terms of making adjustments that forced him get the ball out quicker in the second half of a lot of those wins. He also made some dumb throws, but the biggest thing that was noticeable was the fact that there were so many times he got the ball out late and his guys got lit up because the defenders saw where he was going with the football.

Another big issue that he sort of acknowledged was the fact he was surrounded with some terrific talent on offense, which bailed him out with some pretty terrific plays on quite a few occasions. A lot of those guys are in the draft, and having seen a lot of them (TE Nick O'Leary is a good player, as is WR Rashad Greene) I don't see Tampa surrounding him with guys like that, and I don't feel he'll be good enough to do it on his own. Not to mention the fact that FSU's defense was terrific down the stretch, although they fell apart against Oregon.

But what gets lost is the fact that Fisher was literally in his ear throughout the entire game each week, postgame, holding his hand and doing everything in his power to help make him successful and last night was a good example of Winston without him. One key phrase I heard Fisher say repeatedly was "stay humble" - which he certainly struggled with last night. Fisher defended him to the hilt throughout every scandal and issue the kid ever faced, but at the NFL level he's going to be accountable and isn't going to get the same treatment from the coaching staff. They're going to expect him to do it on his own and be able to keep his head on straight without someone always being on him. Not going to lie, I'm not rooting for him to fail, but I have serious doubts about this kid. He may have a high football IQ, but it's going to be interesting to see how he handles himself with millions of dollars and no one constantly watching over him. That's generally a recipe for disaster for a kid that already has a history of making bad decisions, although hopefully for his sake he becomes someone else once he reaches the next level.

So you haven't watched any Winston games? There's no reason to continue this... you clearly dislike the guy and that's why you're calling him a future bust. Watch some of his games on draft breakdown .com, watch how he uses his eyes and shoulders to manipulate safeties and his ability to make drive throws and antipicate. Winston may bust or become a superstar, who knows we're all GUESSING. But to call Winston a bust before he steps on the field as a Jet(he probably won't be drafted by us), is asinine.