Greatest Dynasty Ever?

A man named Brady said:

This current team has virtually no connection to the earlier title teams, It's not a dynasty when you go ten years between championships

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Brady, Wilfork, Bellichick & Kraft say HELLO!!!

Steelers are still on the top, in terms of dynasty.

Patriots need a few more rings to equal them. (IF only those 2 SB against the Giants....)

zipster9 said:

Steelers are still on the top, in terms of dynasty.

Patriots need a few more rings to equal them. (IF only those 2 SB against the Giants....)

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steelers had 4 in 9 years or something. There's an argument to be made there as well. However, they were notorious for steroids (as was half the league back then).

zipster9 said:

Steelers are still on the top, in terms of dynasty.

Patriots need a few more rings to equal them. (IF only those 2 SB against the Giants....)

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I agree. The patriots have been the best team in the NFL this century and have dominated the AFCE for that period. The steelers were the best team in the NFL and dominated the NFL for the period of their dynasty. IMHO, the year that would have clinched it for the patriots were 2006 and 2007, clearly part of the 2001-2004 dynasty.

So, yes, to me it also somewhat difficult to argue that wins separated by 10 years are closely connected. And yes, the Brady-Belichick connection is the best in the history of the NFL. Of that there is no doubt.

The Zhou Dynasty was actually several times more impressive than the current Patriots Dynasty. They ruled for over 800 years.

VrabelJr said:

The Zhou Dynasty was actually several times more impressive than the current Patriots Dynasty. They ruled for over 800 years.

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Yeah, but the Zhou Dynasty didn't have Tom ****IN' Brady, now did they?

"I don't consider them a dynasty at all." -Jerry Rice

A man named Brady said:

This current team has virtually no connection to the earlier title teams, It's not a dynasty when you go ten years between championships

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Disagree, definitely one continuous dynasty. They turn the roster over 15-20% per year because of the salary cap system they're in. But to reach the AFC Championship game in 02, 03, 05, 07, 08, 11, 13, 14, & 15, as well as the SB in 02, 03, 05, 08, 11, & 15, under the same HC/QB/owner, is one dynasty. There was never a fall-off or re-building period in that entire span.

It's also the greatest dynasty ever cause of the consistent excellence even in years they didn't win it all. SF didn't have the winning pct or number of playoff/championship appearances during their 5/15 run, and their last SB was with a different HC and QB. NE was also 3 plays away from winning 3 more Lombardi's - in 07 (Indy), 08 (NYG), and 11 (NYG).

New England Pride said:

"I don't consider them a dynasty at all." -Jerry Rice

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Who's Jerry Rice?

40yrpatsfan said:

Disagree, definitely one continuous dynasty. They turn the roster over 15-20% per year because of the salary cap system they're in. But to reach the AFC Championship game in 02, 03, 05, 07, 08, 11, 13, 14, & 15, as well as the SB in 02, 03, 05, 08, 11, & 15, under the same HC/QB/owner, is one dynasty. There was never a fall-off or re-building period in that entire span.

It's also the greatest dynasty ever cause of the consistent excellence even in years they didn't win it all. SF didn't have the winning pct or number of playoff/championship appearances during their 5/15 run, and their last SB was with a different HC and QB. NE was also 3 plays away from winning 3 more Lombardi's - in 07 (Indy), 08 (NYG), and 11 (NYG).

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Has any QB in history won separate Super Bowls with 52 different players?

Ivan said:

Who's Jerry Rice?

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Hes a moral compass. An ambassador of all that is good and pure about the game of football.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Brady, Wilfork, Bellichick & Kraft say HELLO!!!

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I agree but I also think the fact that they have won different Super Bowls with different casts around them is a badge of honor. Brady winning different Super Bowls with 52 different players around him is exceptional imo. I don't think that's been done before.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Brady, Wilfork, Bellichick & Kraft say HELLO!!!

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I appreciate what you are doing there but I think its a bit of a stretch.

If average player lifespan in the NFL is ~3 years, just spitballing, no team dynasty can really last much past twice as long as that. Then it's all new players.

What we are seeing here these last 15yrs, IMO, is one Organizational Dynasty (Kraft, BB) that berthed 3 teams. Team Dynasty #1 2001-2007 (Rookie TB, Defense, Moss), declined and went into a rebuilding phase (Prime TB yrs, Welker, FAs, midget DBs & Who'll rush the passer?,Young Gronk, Untimely injuries), and now into hopefully the beginning of another Team Dynasty #2 (knock wood) 2013- (Twilight TB, Gronk, Edeleman, Hybrid LB's and finally some DBs Revis/Browner/Mccourty/Etc). As we know, this team is one of the youngest in SB history, and one of the youngest in the NFL these last few years. Of course it's been re-built. We'll see the stamp they put on the NFL . Team TB #2, I would think most would agree 2008-2013 were good teams, but taken individually or as a whole, no dynasty there. Also Kraft pre-BB was no organizational masterstroke either. Team TB #1 was legendary. This is Team TB #3 under BB/KRAFT, future bright but undecided.

Brady is the only QB in NFL history to win Super Bowls with 52 different players around him.

Ivan said:

Brady is the only QB in NFL history to win Super Bowls with 52 different players around him.

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I don't understand, are you saying only QB to win one with 52 guys, and then win another with a completely different set of 52?

Good read from a non-fan

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-patriots-super-bowl-david-whitley-0203-20150202-column.html

Some good stuff here and now that people have weighed in I will add my two cents. I think the fact that free agency makes it so hard in this day and age should count for something. 14 years of strait excellence despite the turnover is perhaps bill billichicks greatest accomplishment which makes him in my mind the GOAT. I think the 49ers dynasty is the closest one to compare to this one and due to that yes it is one dynasty in my mind. If Steve youngs SB counts then so does this last one because that was a different QB different coach and it was years later. The real deciding factor for me was the years of being in the playoffs, the AFC championship games, even the two Super Bowl appearances. If at anytime they had fallen off and had a subpar year where they got an actual chance to rebuild I would say this is something new and not part of those early years but that never happened. They have been one of the top 10 teams in the league year in and year out so where do you say the old dynasty ended? I do hear and agree to a certain extent for the people who argue 10 years between championships is too long and where are the core players who have been around for a long time? It all boils back to free agency which actually makes this one more impressive and that there has not been a single year under 9-7 makes it impossible to say where it ended.

Ivan said:

Has any QB in history won separate Super Bowls with 52 different players?

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Your math is a bit off. Rosters were 52 players in 2004 and Vince Wilfork was on that team along with Brady. So 50 total players. Not too shabby, still.

Ivan said:

Has any QB in history won separate Super Bowls with 52 different players?

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VrabelJr said:

Your math is a bit off. Rosters were 52 players in 2004 and Vince Wilfork was on that team along with Brady. So 50 total players. Not too shabby, still.

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He is talking 36 and 49. No Wilfork in XXXVI or XXXVIII.

Ivan said:

Brady is the only QB in NFL history to win Super Bowls with 52 different players around him.

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Did you research that? I'm not 100% sure. Staubach's Cowboys won in 1971 and was it 1977. Was that long enough to turn over the rooster? And Montana's first SB with the 49ers in was it '81 and his last in, I think '89. Was there complete rooster turn over?

The only other possibility I can come up with off the top of my head is Jim Plunkett's Raiders. I forget when they were, but he had two not back to back (am I right?) and may have had some turnover. Am I missing a multiple, but not back to back SB QB?