Who is worth the pick at 32?

Lets assume there is no trade up or trade down and the Pats stand still.

I have a few players in mind worth of this spot that fit the Pats. I want to know what your list is too.

In no order

Todd Gurley - RB - injured top 15 talent
Cedric Obgeuhi - OT/OG - injured top 15 talent
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - slot CB - Talented but not tall. A better "Honey Badger". Could go anywhere from 15-60
Eddie Goldman - DT - My binkie. I want! I want! I want!
Malcom Brown - Dt - The 2nd prettiest girl at the dance is still pretty : )
Dorial Green-Beckham - WR - top 15 talent but character issues. Seems to be doing better now since his brother moved in. Raw but huge upside though needs to improve route running
Alvin Dupree - DE/OLB - Versatile and has a good all around game. Instant impact with good upside

How about you?

I would add AJ Cann to the list

BobDigital said:

Lets assume there is no trade up or trade down and the Pats stand still.

I have a few players in mind worth of this spot that fit the Pats. I want to know what your list is too.

In no order

Todd Gurley - RB - injured top 15 talent
Cedric Obgeuhi - OT/OG - injured top 15 talent
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu - slot CB - Talented but not tall. A better "Honey Badger". Could go anywhere from 15-
Eddie Goldman - DT - My binkie. I want! I want! I want!
Malcom Brown - Dt - The 2nd prettiest girl at the dance is still pretty : )
Dorial Green-Beckham - WR - top 15 talent but character issues. Seems to be doing better now since his brother moved in. Raw but huge upside though need to improve route running
Alvin Dupree - DE/OLB - Versatile and has a good all around game. Instant impact with good upside

How about you?

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Gurley, Erving, Goldman and Dupree, without a doubt. Dante Fowler, too, though he will be long gone. I think Ifo Ekpre-Olomu is a slot CB, and not worth a 1st round pick. I wouldn't risk a 1st on DGB. Ogbuehi has talent, but also questions and an injury, so I'm not sure I would go 1st on him either. Not sure about Malcolm Brown.

Add TJ Clemmings, Brandon Scherff and La'el Collins, though all 3 will likely be gone.

I'm assuming Collins and Scherff won't be there. I'd say Clemmings, Erving, Gurley, Armsted and maybe Funchess (not sure yet). I'd be a little disappointed if it's Goldman or Brown but not upset. Neither can pressure the passer consistently and neither occupy double teams.

TommyBrady12 said:

I would add AJ Cann to the list

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Could be but generally I don't like Guards in the first unless we are talking an 7 or 8 time all pro ala Zack Martin. Cann is good but no Martin. I could be 100% wrong of course though.

mayoclinic said:

Gurley, Erving, Goldman and Dupree, without a doubt. Dante Fowler, too, though he will be long gone. I think Ifo Ekpre-Olomu is a slot CB, and not worth a 1st round pick. I wouldn't risk a 1st on DGB. Ogbuehi has talent, but also questions and an injury, so I'm not sure I would go 1st on him either. Not sure about Malcolm Brown.

Add TJ Clemmings, Brandon Scherff and La'el Collins, though all 3 will likely be gone.

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You are right about Collins. Clemmings & Scherff but I did not add them as I thought they would all be gone. I do doubt Erving. I was high on him before but the more I think about it a jack of all trades master of none is not ideal for a 1st round pick. I would rather have a guy who can be top end at his spot vs a guy who is pretty good at 3 or 4. Just my opinion. I agree Olomu is a slot CB but I think that might just be worth the 32nd. He has more outside skills than Arrington so will not be victimized as much as long a he is not put on a 6'5 WR. If the NFL is truly going 4-2-5 then the slot guy matters more than a 3rd LB. However he is not an every down starter as you point out. At pick 16 that is not okay. At pick 32 I think it is more murky. I am going to see how his combine goes and move him out of this depending. He is the one I feel the least sure about. Ogbeuhi is risky but his talent is legit. Pure risk assessment. We can agree to disagree there and I would not call you wrong. Brown I just happen to like more than you I guess : P

manxman2601 said:

I'm assuming Collins and Scherff won't be there. I'd say Clemmings, Erving, Gurley, Armsted and maybe Funchess (not sure yet). I'd be a little disappointed if it's Goldman or Brown but not upset. Neither can pressure the passer consistently and neither occupy double teams.

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I have no idea on Armstead or Funchess. Have not watched tape on either yet. Goldman and Brown do not pressure a ton but they pressure maybe as much as a young Wilfork and IMO allow you to go undersized on the 2nd DT spot without giving up the run which is why I like them. I picture them holding up 2 and maybe winning once in a while & Easley just getting 1v1s all day.

My best guess at this point is there are only 21 or 22 players with first round grades.

If bb can, I think he trades out of the first round this year.

Lots of value in the second round. That is where bb can score big time.

Ochmed Jones said:

My best guess at this point is there are only 21 or 22 players with first round grades.

If bb can, I think he trades out of the first round this year.

Lots of value in the second round. That is where bb can score big time.

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There are plenty of guys who I would be happy to take at #32. Many won't be available, but 1 or 2 may slip through:

- EDGE Dante Fowler (no chance), Bud Dupree (slim chance)
- OL Brandon Scherff (no chance), TJ Clemmings (slim chance), La'el Collins (slim chance), Cam Erving (possible)
- DT Eddie Goldman (possible); no yet sure about Malcolm Brown (possible)
- RB Todd Gurley (possible)

Otherwise I agree with the trade back scenario.

It's still early but there is a petty long list of those of the board for the Patriots. Of those who could be there Gurley is high on the list for me, as well as D.J. Humphries, E. Goldman, M. Brown, L. Collins (LSU), C. Erving, J. Philips.

Right now I think there will be about 8 potential 1st round offensive linemen, possibly more:

- DJ Humphries, TJ Clemmings and Andrus Peat are likely to be the top 3 tackles off the board. I don't think Cedric Ogbuehi will sneak back into the 1st round, though it's possible.
- Brandon Scherff and La'el Collins are tackle/guard prospects who will likely go in the 1st round, both possibly top 20
- Ereck Flowers is best suited to RT, but that didn't stop guys like DJ Fluker and Anthony Davis from going top 15
- Cam Erving will likely go in the 2nd half of the 1st round as a 5-position lineman
- Jake Fisher or AJ Cann could sneak into the end of the 1st round. Fisher's athleticism stands out among this tackle group plus he has positional versatility at both tackle and guard, whereas Cann's selling point is his readiness to step in right away. I think Fisher is more likely to sneak into the 1st to a team like Philadelphia or Seattle.

I also think there are 6+ EDGE players who will likely go in the 1st round:

- Dante Fowler, Randy Gregory and Shane Ray are likely top 15 picks
- Bud Dupree could be a top 15 pick if he performs well on Sunday
- Eli Harold and Owamagbe Odighizuwa could sneak into the back of the 1st round

That's almost half the 1st round.

I imagine another team may want to get back into the 1st round, so I'd gladly drop back into the mid-late second and take an extra 1st rounder next year like we did in 2011. This will give us a chance to grab someone else in addition to Hardison at #64

mrbean said:

I imagine another team may want to get back into the 1st round, so I'd gladly drop back into the mid-late second and take an extra 1st rounder next year like we did in 2011. This will give us a chance to grab someone else in addition to Hardison at #64

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I basically agree with the caveat of their guy falling to them, in which case take him, as they did with Easely last year. And I think that when you subtract those who will be gone with those the Patriots won't v want to spend a first on the list will be pretty short.

It's going to be really interesting to see how the mocks change after the combine. I had Humphries oo my list but the way Mayock was talking about him he will move way up in coming weeks,

Ivan said:

It's going to be really interesting to see how the mocks change after the combine. I had Humphries oo my list but the way Mayock was talking about him he will move way up in coming weeks,

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He will. Clemmings had a really good day too and Jake Fisher literally put up Nate Solder numbers so don't count him out.

mrbean said:

I imagine another team may want to get back into the 1st round, so I'd gladly drop back into the mid-late second and take an extra 1st rounder next year like we did in 2011. This will give us a chance to grab someone else in addition to Hardison at #64

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Trade partners WHO happens to give a second + NeXT years first are rare. You'll need a team WHO beleave they are taht 1 player away from a Deep playoff run, sorry but there aint many teams I would accept that offer from, Cowgirls, Panthers and Bengals are the 3 playoff teams from this year I would accept that trade with.

manxman2601 said:

He will. Clemmings had a really good day too and Jake Fisher literally put up Nate Solder numbers so don't count him out.

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Unless Eagles getting there QB, then Fisher to them seems perfect. Lane Johnson and Fisher would give Eagles 2 super OL for 10+ years.

Luxusdk said:

Trade partners WHO happens to give a second + NeXT years first are rare. You'll need a team WHO beleave they are taht 1 player away from a Deep playoff run, sorry but there aint many teams I would accept that offer from, Cowgirls, Panthers and Bengals are the 3 playoff teams from this year I would accept that trade with.

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I think it's more dependent on who's available at pick #32 and who a perspective trade partner wants and who they think might take said player before them. There's all kinds of variables to take into consideration. If Gordon is gone and Gurley is there for the taking at #32 and the phone rings with Buffalo on the other end of the line.....How about Brett Hundley? He's obviously not going top 10, but lots of teams need a QB.

The true value of pick #32, like every pick, is what someone is willing to pay for it. BB has made a pretty consistent habit of taking advantage of teams over the years due to their "buy now, pay later" approach to acquiring talent during the draft.

For me I would be looking at OL, DL and pass rusher at 32, I just don't see any other positions having enough value in the first round for this team.

The short list of guys of interest for me are:

OL (assuming Clemmings, Collins and Scherf are off the board)
OT- DJ Humphries- Florida (official binky status, give him a year at LG then take over from Solder at LT)
C/G- Cam Erving- Florida State (like his versatility but is much better inside than out, probably LG)
OT/OG- Jake Fisher- Oregon is a dark horse. He looked great at the combine but I really don't care about any of that stuff. I need to watch some tape to see if the kid can play football

DL
DT- Malcolm Brown- Texas
DT- Eddie Goldman- Florida State
DL- Arik Armstead- Oregon (I need to watch more tape of him though)

Pass Rusher
Alvin Dupree- Kentucky
Owamagbe Odighizuwa- UCLA

In terms of realistic 1st round options my choices are slim. I don't like any of the pure interior OL at 32 because to be honest I just don't think any of them are that good.

While I like Gurley I certainly wouldn't spend a 1st round pick on him. We've seen the RB position become devalued over the past few years, and especially for this team with Blount still under contract I just can't justify using such resources on him. Add in the complete unknown of the injury and I would let someone else take a chance on him. We had this discussion a few years back with Trent Richardson and what kind of impact a top tier RB would have on this team and we all know how that worked out. And I would argue Richardson was a superior prospect to Gurley.

Of course every year guys slide that nobody would expect to be available so I would just sit tight at 32, let everything unfold and either take BPA or trade down.

Wilfork#75 said:

For me I would be looking at OL, DL and pass rusher at 32, I just don't see any other positions having enough value in the first round for this team.

The short list of guys of interest for me are:

OL (assuming Clemmings, Collins and Scherf are off the board)
OT- DJ Humphries- Florida (official binky status, give him a year at LG then take over from Solder at LT)
C/G- Cam Erving- Florida State (like his versatility but is much better inside than out, probably LG)
OT/OG- Jake Fisher- Oregon is a dark horse. He looked great at the combine but I really don't care about any of that stuff. I need to watch some tape to see if the kid can play football

DL
DT- Malcolm Brown- Texas
DT- Eddie Goldman- Florida State
DL- Arik Armstead- Oregon (I need to watch more tape of him though)

Pass Rusher
Alvin Dupree- Kentucky
Owamagbe Odighizuwa- UCLA

In terms of realistic 1st round options my choices are slim. I don't like any of the pure interior OL at 32 because to be honest I just don't think any of them are that good.

While I like Gurley I certainly wouldn't spend a 1st round pick on him. We've seen the RB position become devalued over the past few years, and especially for this team with Blount still under contract I just can't justify using such resources on him. Add in the complete unknown of the injury and I would let someone else take a chance on him. We had this discussion a few years back with Trent Richardson and what kind of impact a top tier RB would have on this team and we all know how that worked out. And I would argue Richardson was a superior prospect to Gurley.

Of course every year guys slide that nobody would expect to be available so I would just sit tight at 32, let everything unfold and either take BPA or trade down.

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I like your list a lot, but I don't agree with you on Gurley. Trent Richardson has nothing to do with Gurley, you evaluate individual prospects on their own merits. Now I can understand the value argument, I just disagree with it. Seattle doesn't go to two back to back SBs without Marshawn Lynch and I think that's Gurley's best comp. I also don't think one year of Legarette Blount should stop you drafting Gurley either.

But each to their own.

manxman2601 said:

I like your list a lot, but I don't agree with you on Gurley. Trent Richardson has nothing to do with Gurley, you evaluate individual prospects on their own merits. Now I can understand the value argument, I just disagree with it. Seattle doesn't go to two back to back SBs without Marshawn Lynch and I think that's Gurley's best comp. I also don't think one year of Legarette Blount should stop you drafting Gurley either.

But each to their own.

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I understand where you are coming from but the Pats and Seahawks are built completely different. With the Pats system I just don't think there is enough value at the RB position to be worth a 1st round pick. I love Gurley as a player but I just don't think the upgrade he would give us over our other options at RB is as great as an upgrade a DT, DE or OL at 32 would give us. That is before factoring in the short shelf life of RB's and the already major injury concerns for Gurley.

But that is just my opinion and I certainly respect yours. You clearly know your stuff and I agree with a lot more of your opinions than I disagree with. That is what makes this place such a valuable tool for draft information.

I think for the first time in a while I am pretty relaxed and calm about our draft. The depth and strengths of this draft class align nicely with some gaps that we have.

If we decide to risk it and go the Gurley route I will be excited, if instead we decide to shore up our OL and go with Clemmings/Erving I will be happy as well. If any of the better EDGE players (Bud Dupree..) slide for some reason I am totally on board with them.