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He screwed up every facet of the Jets so I'm not sure how a QB would help a lot.
Bottom 3rd in defense, terrible on offense, locker room problems, players quitting on him, created an atmosphere where his players bragged about being 'the best 5-11 team', consistently set forth a mindset where the players couldn't keep their mouth shut, or back it up.
Rex Ryan is a loser, and if he is in charge, will ultimately lose where ever he goes, and with whatever support he is given.

2 AFC Championship games with a **** QB
Kicked us out of the playoffs in one of the most painful losses I've ever endured in 2010

Rex is like Carroll during his Pats tenure in that he gets too much of the blame for the ****ty job his GM did in building a team during his time there. It took a year of awful and cost a GM their job just to get out of the cap hell to which Tannenbaum subjected them.

His real issues are with clock management and a bizarre regressive offensive mindset.
 
He screwed up every facet of the Jets so I'm not sure how a QB would help a lot.
Bottom 3rd in defense, terrible on offense, locker room problems, players quitting on him, created an atmosphere where his players bragged about being 'the best 5-11 team', consistently set forth a mindset where the players couldn't keep their mouth shut, or back it up.
Rex Ryan is a loser, and if he is in charge, will ultimately lose where ever he goes, and with whatever support he is given.
So the players were quitting on him, but the players were happily proclaiming themselves "the best 5-11 team". Plus if they quit and didn't care anymore about playing for Rex they wouldn't have fought so hard to beat the Pats (best team in the NFL) in Week 16 where we were perilously close to losing the game. We very nearly lost to them twice.

Rex got the Green Beans to the AFCCG twice. We are talking about the Jets here. I'm not saying he is a very good coach at all (he isn't). But he's not this horrible coach that you make him out to be. Idzik didn't help by giving him horrible personell.
 
2 AFC Championship games with a **** QB
Kicked us out of the playoffs in one of the most painful losses I've ever endured in 2010
He ran the team into the ground. Did he have any successes at all? Sure, but overall he is a loser.
In 6 years he was above .500 twice, and once was because the Colts didn't try to win or they would have been 8-8.
In 6 years, he made the playoffs twice. 12/32 teams make the playoffs. That is 37.5% success rate. He was below average, even after being handed a playoff team.

Rex is like Carroll during his Pats tenure in that he gets too much of the blame for the ****ty job his GM did in building a team during his time there. It took a year of awful and cost a GM their job just to get out of the cap hell to which Tannenbaum subjected them.
Show me a bunch of excuses for losing and I will show you a loser.

His real issues are with clock management and a bizarre regressive offensive mindset.
and leadership and defensive points allowed, and defensive takeaways, and being a buffoon in the media, and making poor decisions with using personnel, and ignoring half of his team, etc etc.
I don't know where the good is. Other than he is really good for sound bites.
 
So the players were quitting on him, but the players were happily proclaiming themselves "the best 5-11 team". Plus if they quit and didn't care anymore about playing for Rex they wouldn't have fought so hard to beat the Pats (best team in the NFL) in Week 16 where we were perilously close to losing the game. We very nearly lost to them twice.
I didn't say his 5-11 team quit, although I'm sure some did, but there was a number of players who quit on him during his years in NY.
Close losses don't impress me.

Rex got the Green Beans to the AFCCG twice. We are talking about the Jets here. I'm not saying he is a very good coach at all (he isn't). But he's not this horrible coach that you make him out to be. Idzik didn't help by giving him horrible personell.
Please list all of his positive attributes as a HC. He loses. Thats what he does.
2 decent playoff runs that did not even get him to a SB does not overcome a tenure wrought with losing.
 
Show me a bunch of excuses for losing and I will show you a loser.

You're way too smart for this type of glib ******** response. If you seriously think that the Jet rosters of the last 3 seasons under performed you are a dangerously insane human being.
 
You're way too smart for this type of glib ******** response. If you seriously think that the Jet rosters of the last 3 seasons under performed you are a dangerously insane human being.
Its the truth. I have never, ever given someone a pass because of the perception of a lack of talent.
Ryan was there 6 years. Part of his responsibility is to develop talent. "I lost because of the players" is the lamest excuse in the book.
The talent is what you make of it. Coaches consistently come in and take what was considered an untalented team and win with them. Coaching is more than calling the plays on game day.
If I take your approach, he should get no credit for the limited successes he had in 09 and 10.
 
I hate to say it, but I would take Bill as a head coach over Rex 3 million times out of a hundred, but I would probably rather be friends with Rex. He seems like a good guy to hang out with.
 
I didn't say his 5-11 team quit, although I'm sure some did, but there was a number of players who quit on him during his years in NY.
Close losses don't impress me.


Please list all of his positive attributes as a HC. He loses. Thats what he does.
2 decent playoff runs that did not even get him to a SB does not overcome a tenure wrought with losing.
As I said he isn't a great head coach but you are making him out to be awful. Are you actually trying to say that Rex's defenses have consistently sucked since he took over? Or just the most recent seasons? Because if Rex sucks, their defense always sucked, and their offense always sucked (this part is true) then why did they make two AFCCG's? Why did they out play and outlast the Patriots in the Divisional game when we were supposed to be the best in the league?

Most coaches don't make conference championship games let alone win a single playoff game. Rex has some solid attributes. The players liked playing for him and they played hard for him even when they were losing. He is in fact a great defensive mind. He has given Brady (GOAT) plenty of trouble in the past. Even when we've won Brady's offense has struggled more than once. The last four meetings we've had with Rex's crap personnel teams, we've struggled. All four against Geno Smith for christ sakes. Lost once and barely escaped the other three. Not many coaches can say they've given the Pats a run for their money that often. Harbaugh's Ravens are the other exception. You might think Rex's teams playing hard fought games against a team like the Pats means nothing but I think it says something that he has matched the Pats multiple times who have had far better teams.

He is not a complete failure because he didn't reach the Super Bowl. So I choose to give him at least a little credit. Not that you'll ever agree but that's fine.
 
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As I said he isn't a great head coach but you are making him out to be awful. Are you actually trying to say that Rex's defenses have consistently sucked since he took over? Or just the past year or two? Because if Rex sucks, their defense always sucked, and their offense always sucked (this part is true) then why did they make two AFCCG's? Why did they out play and outlast the Patriots in the Divisional game when we were supposed to be the best in the league?
Do you think that a coach that is a loser goes 0-16?
Do you think poor coaches never have any success?
His defense was pretty good the first 2 years. But he coached it into what it became.
From 2011-2014 his team was 26-38. They ranked 21st in points allowed and 29th in takeaways.
That is FOUR YEARS of poor defense.

Most coaches don't make conference championship games let alone win a single playoff game.
Most coaches don't win a single playoff game? Huh?


Rex has some solid attributes. The players liked playing for him and they played hard for him even when they were losing.
This is just hyperbole. How do you know they play hard for him? And how do you compare that to how players play for other coaches? What coaches did players not play hard for?
If the players like him while he runs an organization that loses, that is not a positive thing.


He is in fact a great defensive mind.
See above numbers, no he is not. His defense gets attention, but does not win.

He has given Brady (GOAT) plenty of trouble in the past. Even when we've won Brady's offense has struggled more than once.
He beat the PAtriots ONE time in the last 4 years. That is 1-7.
Gave Brady trouble? Patriots averaged 28.6 points in those games. THAT is your defensive genius?
Overall he was 4-9 vs the Patriots allowing 27 ppg. This is your argument about how good he is?


The last four meetings we've had with Rex's crap personnel teams, we've struggled. Lost once and barely escaped the other three. Not many coaches can say they've given the Pats a run for their money that often. Harbaugh's Ravens are the other exception.
Rex has lost 7 of 8 to the Patriots. Are you really trying to tell me that losing by a small margin is an indication of a good coach? Really? You just made it out that winning 1 of 4 is a good thing, Remarkable.

He is not a complete failure because he didn't reach the Super Bowl. Not that you'll ever agree but that's fine.
I don't think I used the words complete failure, but he certainly did fail, hence the result: Being Fired.
I said he is a loser, which is what he is. Doesn't make him a bad guy, it just makes him a guy who has a philosophy toward football, and intellect and a personality that will result in losing.
 
"So I fell asleep at the end of the Superbowl and have been on a sabatical in the middle of the Andes for the last 3 weeks so I haven't see the score.....the Seahawks ran the ball at the one, surely?"
 
Ryan's defense got worse each year he was the HC of the NYJ.

Now he's taking over the 4th ranked scoring defense in the NFL. The odds are he'll mess that up too.

And he'll be a loudmouth the whole way.

The apple didn't fall far from the tree.
 
Rex built his defensive genius chops in BAL. Every defensive coordinator for ten years became a defensive genius, and got a HC job. As HC's the defensive "genius" disappeared. One might think it was the BAL players, and not the coaches who made the defense great. Here's the stats for defensive rankings through 6 coordinators, can anyone point to where Ryan took over and made BAL great?

1999- 6th
00- 1
01- 4
02- 19
03- 6
04- 6
05- 10
06- 1
07- 22
08- 3
09- 3
10- 3
11- 3
12- 12
13- 12
14- 6

2005-2008 are Rex's defense. He does have the privlege of running the worst Ravens defense in 18 years. Before him Marv Lewis was a genius, then Mike Nolan, then after he left Mattison, then Pagano. All guys who forgot their defensive genius book back at Baltimore. The Ravens defense kept being good, and the teams they took over didn't. Captain Kangaroo could have been a defensive genius at Baltimore. "Hey guys, just keep doing what you're doing."
 
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OVERRATED Defensive Coordinator. Check the numbers, the ones that matter.
What does Rex the DC/HC not have in common with the others you mentioned?
A ring (or even a trip to a SB)
Bye.
 
BTW, whatever happened to Doug Marrone?

He quit a 9-7 team to become an OL coach in Jacksonville?

That was a stupid career move!
 
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I'm now coaching the Bills, so I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
 
Ryan wearing a Thurman Thomas throwback jersey? That is wicked f#cking weak! Should Belichick counter with a Tony Collins? Or perhaps Leonard Russell?????? :rolleyes:
Jim Nance.
 
At least they have something in common now, they both hate the jets.
 
Bill's totally giving him a "what you talkin bout Willis" look.
 
BTW, whatever happened to Doug Marrone?

He quit a 9-7 team to become an OL coach in Jacksonville?

That was a stupid career move!
I don't know, a$4 million golden parachute eases the transition.....
 
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