A Kensil smoking gun.....maybe

fourhour said:

Who is this Sharks of Vegas guy?

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https://twitter.com/sharksofvegas

Either the next Erika Leigh or a legitimate source, depending upon your point of view. My opinion is that they have just piggy-backed guys like Schefter & Curran and guess right on which reports to piggy-back.

fourhour said:

Who is this Sharks of Vegas guy?

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I believe they are a sports betting consulting business.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say they have actual league sources plus Fitzy follows them, which is all the affirmation I need..

BradyManny said:

https://twitter.com/sharksofvegas

Either the next Erika Leigh or a legitimate source, depending upon your point of view. My opinion is that they have just piggy-backed guys like Schefter & Curran and guess right on which reports to piggy-back.

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Could be.

Honestly, at the beginning of all this, I just wanted to surround myself with someone that felt like they were on our side in all this. I've keep following them because I feel they've either guessed right or simply been right much more often than most.

fnordcircle said:

The real smoking gun is that a guy as high up as Kensil was personally testing the goddamn balls. Maybe my understand of how the NFL works is skewed all to hell but that's one crazy ****ing hands-on approach for a guy to not have some emotional investment in the outcome of all this.

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Which begs the question. Did Roger Goodell know prior to the AFCCG that Mike Kensil was looking into a claim from the Colts about the Patriots? Or did he only find out about that agenda during or after the game?
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Danger Zone said:

Could be.

Honestly, at the beginning of all this, I just wanted to surround myself with someone that felt like they were on our side in all this. I've kept with them because I feel they've either guessed right or simply been right much more often than most.

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I hear you - I hope they're right. It's not inconceivable that they have some real sources, I just find it too much a coincidence that several of their big tweets came after a guy like Curran or Schefter reported it. Most notably their "remember the name Kensil" tweet - which came very shortly after Curran's article on CSNNE.

Danger Zone said:

I believe they are a sports betting consulting business.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say they have actual league sources plus Fitzy follows them, which is all the affirmation I need..



Could be.

Honestly, at the beginning of all this, I just wanted to surround myself with someone that felt like they were on our side in all this. I've keep following them because I feel they've either guessed right or simply been right much more often than most.

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That's why I was questioning who he is. Kind of feeling the same for Adam S too.

Thanks to both you guys!

Report: CBS may become a co-owner of NFL Network

2/4/15 Three days after the SB this story surfaces

It's difficult to believe this story came out of nowhere, or that it could not have been in the works for some time. With stunning efficiency, the inept NFL offices refuted this within hours, and clearly would be to the detriment of ESPN if it were to happen.

It could explain a fracture within the league offices, as well as why information about air pressure was provided to the worldwide leader because of the Patriots relationship with CBS, or ESPN's continuation to double down on the stupid.

AndyJohnson said:

You are missing the most important point.
The balls WERE underinflated. They HAD TO BE, because they were filled at room temperature then taken outside to 40 degrees and rain, for a few hours, then retested.
Unless they found footballs that defy the laws of nature, they had to be underinflated. We might as well say the Patriots cheated because the balls didn't defy the laws of gravity and float out of the stadium.

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That makes me think about another point I have yet to completely process. Haters would have you dismiss the weather aspect of the "deflation" citing the fact that the Colt ballx were within the proper range when tested under supposedly similar conditions.

That of course would put the lie to Pats fans' claims that "the weather did it". However I have yet to see any definitive proof that the Colt balls were actually measured, and if they were under what conditions, and by who. Do you have anything that proves or disproves any of this? Because right now, I wouldn't know how to respond to a hater who brings up this point

Danger Zone said:

1/25
Sharks of Vegas‏@SharksOfVegas
Mike Kensil, remember that name guys.......

1/25
Sharks of Vegas‏@SharksOfVegas
BREAKING -Source CONFIRMS NFL Investigation is more about the officials than the Patriots.

Today:
Sharks of Vegas ‏@SharksOfVegas 15m15 minutes ago
Unless he can find a scapegoat, Mike Kensil is going to get fired guys.

I believe SoV also stated that their sources were telling them that the NFL had nothing on the Patriots, that there would be no sanctions and that there would be a quick (within a couple days) resolution. The last part obviously didn't happen but I don't ding them or their sources for how something this political has played out.

One thing is true, SoV have been stating from the very beginning that this was a witchhunt by Kensil.

From the exchange below, it seems to me that SoV feels like many of us that this may have been an unofficial sting between Grigson and Kensil.

Christopher O'Day ‏@oday_dizza54 42m42 minutes ago
@SharksOfVegas key is who gm from Colts told. If it's kensil and he set this sting in motion w out commish..done

Sharks of Vegas ‏@SharksOfVegas 40m40 minutes ago
@oday_dizza54 that is 100% correct sir

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Kensil won't get fired, he'll be promoted and get a big fat raise for nailing Belichick and Irsay by setting DeflateGate in motion.

Fabricate a crime. Find a snitch. Destroy the evidence. Muddy the waters about the chain of evidence. Finger and punish the perpetrator. Blow up your boss's enemies.

Ted Wells is going to report that 1) Colts GM Grigson ratted out the Patriots days before the AFCCG, 2) Kensil saw an injustice and corrected it by re-inflating the balls at halftime to ensure that the Colts were getting blown out on a level playing field, 3) Kensil identified and fired the guy who was stealing footballs on the sideline, and 4) exposed the Patriots as a conniving bunch of cheaters, and Irsay's Colts as a snitches.

I think what I admire most is that Kensil sent Chris Mortensen on the 11 of 12 deflated footballs goose chase, planted nefarious rumors with Naqi, and gave Schefter just enough info to turn ESPN on itself. Reminds me of Red October.

goheels22002 said:

Kensil won't get fired, he'll be promoted and get a big fat raise for nailing Belichick and Irsay by setting DeflateGate in motion.

Fabricate a crime. Find a snitch. Destroy the evidence. Finger and punish the perpetrator. Blow up your boss's enemies.

Ted Wells is going to report that 1) Colts GM Grigson ratted out the Patriots days before the AFCCG, 2) Kensil saw an injustice and corrected it by re-inflating the balls at halftime to ensure that the Colts were getting blown out on a level playing field, 3) Kensil identified and fired the guy who was stealing footballs on the sideline, and 4) exposed the Patriots as a conniving bunch of cheaters, and Irsay's Colts as a snitches.

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You could be 100% correct and have actual NFL sources.. but I'm still not going to Follow you on Twitter

Danger Zone said:

1/25
Sharks of Vegas‏@SharksOfVegas
Mike Kensil, remember that name guys.......

1/25
Sharks of Vegas‏@SharksOfVegas
BREAKING -Source CONFIRMS NFL Investigation is more about the officials than the Patriots.

Today:
Sharks of Vegas ‏@SharksOfVegas 15m15 minutes ago
Unless he can find a scapegoat, Mike Kensil is going to get fired guys.

I believe SoV also stated that their sources were telling them that the NFL had nothing on the Patriots, that there would be no sanctions and that there would be a quick (within a couple days) resolution. The last part obviously didn't happen but I don't ding them or their sources for how something this political has played out.

One thing is true, SoV have been stating from the very beginning that this was a witchhunt by Kensil.

From the exchange below, it seems to me that SoV feels like many of us that this may have been an unofficial sting between Grigson and Kensil.

Christopher O'Day ‏@oday_dizza54 42m42 minutes ago
@SharksOfVegas key is who gm from Colts told. If it's kensil and he set this sting in motion w out commish..done

Sharks of Vegas ‏@SharksOfVegas 40m40 minutes ago
@oday_dizza54 that is 100% correct sir

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And if Kensil was the bad guy and gets fired, if he had any input into the Spygate ruling and the over-the-top penalties, the Pats need to demand Spygate be re-visited, maybe by an independent outside authority, like Paul Tagliabue.

Ivan said:

Which begs the question. Did Roger Goodell know prior to the AFCCG that Mike Kensil was looking into a claim from the Colts about the Patriots? Or did he only find out about that agenda during or after the game?
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This is getting a Watergate type of feel to it as it works its way up the NFL food chain. The next obvious question goes to Goodell, "what did he know and when did he know it" regarding the sting and yes it was a sting into the Pats organization. If it turns out that good ole Rog was told by Kensil or others about suspicions of Patriots' handling of ball pressure and did not alert the Pats to ensure balls were properly inflated but rather let the sting proceed, he might as well be calling Kinko's to update his resume......

goheels22002 said:

Kensil won't get fired, he'll be promoted and get a big fat raise for nailing Belichick and Irsay by setting DeflateGate in motion.

Fabricate a crime. Find a snitch. Destroy the evidence. Muddy the waters about the chain of evidence. Finger and punish the perpetrator. Blow up your boss's enemies.

Ted Wells is going to report that 1) Colts GM Grigson ratted out the Patriots days before the AFCCG, 2) Kensil saw an injustice and corrected it by re-inflating the balls at halftime to ensure that the Colts were getting blown out on a level playing field, 3) Kensil identified and fired the guy who was stealing footballs on the sideline, and 4) exposed the Patriots as a conniving bunch of cheaters, and Irsay's Colts as a snitches.

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Man, I hope the Phruck you're wrong!

patfanken said:

That makes me think about another point I have yet to completely process. Haters would have you dismiss the weather aspect of the "deflation" citing the fact that the Colt ball were within the proper range when tested under similar conditions.

That of course would put the lie to Pats fans' claims that "the weather did it". However I have yet to see any definitive proof that the Colt balls were actually measured, and if they were under what conditions, and by who. Do you have anything that proves or disproves any of this? Because right now, I wouldn't know how to respond to a hater who brings up this point

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Ken,
There is no 'claim' that the weather did it, there is scientific proof. Its a fact, an unavoidable consequence of the laws of nature on this planet (as well as others I suppose)
The psi in a football changes as the temp changes. The Patriots footballs were tested when they had adjusted to room temperature. Therefore when taken outside the psi had to drop. That is not a claim or a theory but a fact.
If it is shown that the Colts balls maintained the same psi, then the only way that is physically possible is if they were adjusted to the outside temp, for example, stored on the bus overnight, and tested right after being brought inside.

If both teams balls had endured the exact same conditions and they tested at halftime and the Patriots dropped and the Colts didn't, then there was tampering. In this case, since we know the Pats balls were stored inside, either the Colts balls were stored outside up until the test, or those were the ones that were tampered with.

There is no gray area.

I can't believe some of the negative vibes I'm getting from this thread.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that in this situation Roger Goodell has the hammer over Welles, Kensil, Grigson and anyone else, not the other way around. And if we're lucky we lose the whole bunch of them, including Goody the Jet.

I can't tell people enough how confident I am that Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick will win in the end, just as Tom Brady and the team does on the field.

Hang in there.

AndyJohnson said:

Ken,
There is no 'claim' that the weather did it, there is scientific proof. Its a fact, an unavoidable consequence of the laws of nature on this planet (as well as others I suppose)
The psi in a football changes as the temp changes. The Patriots footballs were tested when they had adjusted to room temperature. Therefore when taken outside the psi had to drop. That is not a claim or a theory but a fact.
If it is shown that the Colts balls maintained the same psi, then the only way that is physically possible is if they were adjusted to the outside temp, for example, stored on the bus overnight, and tested right after being brought inside.

If both teams balls had endured the exact same conditions and they tested at halftime and the Patriots dropped and the Colts didn't, then there was tampering. In this case, since we know the Pats balls were stored inside, either the Colts balls were stored outside up until the test, or those were the ones that were tampered with.

There is no gray area.

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That's assuming they were the same psi's to begin with. There's an 'acceptable' range - so if the Colts' balls were inflated to the max to begin with, then the temperature change -would- have affected it, it just wouldn't be obvious because it'd still be 'acceptable range'.

... for those who still do not believe the "scientific" proof. When I parked the temperature was in the 70's(i live in South FL, haha); when i got in the car in the morning this pop-ed up on the dashboard... i know it was over night but still

Also I take a bit of umbrage (not much) for those who claim to understand my point.....because I still think you are missing it.

It doesn't matter what the PSI of the balls were, OR what caused any deflation. The fact of the matter is that THOSE balls taken at half time and measured (and we only have Kensil's word on that) were the ONLY evidence that could have conclusively cleared the Pats of ANY wrong doing. AND Kensil essentially destroyed it by re-inflating the balls (and we only have his word on that as well) BTW Is there any tape of him measuring and then "fixing" the balls?

My point that while Volin used the alleged re-inflation at half time as the reason to be skeptical of the Kensil conspiracy theory, I think a better case can be made that those actions PROVE a conspiracy.

I mean why would he "taint the evidence" What was the purpose. Its not like these were the only balls at the stadium and if they took them out of the game, they wouldn't have enough. Remember he doesn't have to prove the Pats guilty to win. Keeping them from conclusively proving their innocence is almost as effective as finding them guilty.

The thing that is the final link in the chain are the leaks from the league offices. If any can be linked back to Kensil, he's done. But its awful suspicious that the league kept on leaking stories that inferred negative
implications, whenever it seemed the story was losing steam. This can't be a coincidence Not on multiple occasions Some one in the league offices CLEARLY had an agenda. Mr. Kraft should make it perfectly clear to Goodell, that part of Welles' investigation HAS to including finding those leaks.

BTW- Why would I believe anything that Ryan Grigson says. The Colt story has been all over the place, changing whenever it suits their agenda.

BTW-2 Still apprehensive that Welles' law firm makes multiple millions in fees from the NFL. Hard to assimilate that kind of conflict of interest and feel good about it..

BTW-3 AND I'm still unclear about whether Welles is completely independent and will issue a report that is news to everyone at the same time. Or as some suggested, Welles is essentially the NFL's PI. So they own the report and have the right to make public only the parts of the report that they choose

fourhour said:

Who is this Sharks of Vegas guy?

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jimache said:

... for those who still do not believe the "scientific" proof. When I parked the temperature was in the 70's(i live in South FL, haha); when i got in the car in the morning this pop-ed up on the dashboard... i know it was over night but still
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I used to run an electronics trailer with 17.5 size tires over the road, like this one



on a summer day running across I-10 in Arizona, they would start at 120psi in the morning, after driving several hours in that heat the tires would be at 140 - 150psi

I can't see Kensil being fired under any circumstance. I don't expect an apology from the NFL either or a statement saying the pats are innocent. I see us getting a huge report that basically says they investigated it and they aren't sure why the balls were deflated. They will say there is no proof the pats deflated the balls but they aren't 100% sure where the air pressure went. So after all this the haters will say the pats got away with it. I hope I'm wrong. I really want the NFL to say everyone was wrong and the pats were 100% wrongfully accused but they won't do that. It's too good to be true and no way does Goodell fire anybody and take the heat. If that happened I would actually kind of respect Goodell and think maybe he's becoming responsible