Finally! Curran's great article today clearly names Kensil and mocks the NFL

neuronet · Feb 19, 2015

BradyManny said:
Wouldn't he be likely to fully disclose any findings?

To the people that hired him, not to the public. That's up to the people that hired him. If you hire a PI to follow your wife, only you learn the full results of the investigation. It's up to you how much to let out to others.

patfanken · Feb 19, 2015

BTW- neuro is right. Welles is far from an "independent" investigator. He's done this before, and he knows that if he doesn't make the league come out in the most positive way possible, he won't do it again.

Well we all know that the league can't possibly come out of this looking positive, but Welles can in the prime position to ease the pain, and the best way to do that is to keep the focus on the Pats instead of the league. And the best way to do that is to leave the question of whether the Pats did or did not purposely alter the football open to question. It's the old, "don't look at me.....look at HIM strategy.

Bob Kraft may one day get his apology, but it may be a very limited one. Something like "sorry we didn't catch you cheating.....THIS time.:"

patfanken · Feb 19, 2015

neuronet said:
To the people that hired him, not to the public. That's up to the people that hired him. If you hire a PI to follow your wife, only you learn the full results of the investigation. It's up to you how much to let out to others.

this is a CRITICAL distinction that you point out here. One that I haven't thought of until you brought it up. If what you say is reality, Welles isn't some independent prosecutor who's report is subject only to what he puts in there. Wells has been employed by the league, and what he puts into that report goes to the league FIRST. And thus, what is released to the public is TOTALLY controlled by the league its investigating. What's up with that?

Please tell me I'm wrong in this assessment of Welles' power.

FreeTedWilliams · Feb 19, 2015

I would love it if Kraft hired the best defamation attorney in the country for McNally!

The fact that the pre-gamer pressure of the balls was never recorded precludes ever finding the Pats guilty of anything. The rest of the NFL ineptness is just icing on the cake. Clearly Kensil needs to be fired. If I was Kraft I would be in Goodell's office right now, demanding Kenisl's firing, the Jets first round pick for tampering, and press conference where the NFL clearly states that the Pats did nothing wrong, and that this was a case of "prosecutorial misconduct" and issue a full and public apology, and grant the Pats the 33rd pick in the draft as compensation for Kensil's unprecedented personal attack on the Patriot's character. And if Goodell balks, Kraft should quickly call his owner buddies and have Goodell removed.

fair catch fryar · Feb 19, 2015

Clonamery said:
I believe Joe Namath got a Fifth of Johnny Walker and eventually got a kiss from Suzy Kolber .....I don't know about a ring.

He traded his ring for the kiss and the fifth....in fact I would do the same thing with a Jets SB ring that close to 50 years old. It's the best deal you're gonna get.

PatsWickedPissah · Feb 19, 2015

FreeTedWilliams said:
I would love it if Kraft hired the best defamation attorney in the country for McNally!

The fact that the pre-gamer pressure of the balls was never recorded precludes ever finding the Pats guilty of anything. The rest of the NFL ineptness is just icing on the cake. Clearly Kensil needs to be fired. If I was Kraft I would be in Goodell's office right now, demanding Kenisl's firing, the Jets first round pick for tampering, and press conference where the NFL clearly states that the Pats did nothing wrong, and that this was a case of "prosecutorial misconduct" and issue a full and public apology, and grant the Pats the 33rd pick in the draft as compensation for Kensil's unprecedented personal attack on the Patriot's character. And if Goodell balks, Kraft should quickly call his owner buddies and have Goodell removed.

I'm sure the other 31 owners would be simply THRILLED were the Pats to get another #1 pick

I'm 100% behind your suggestion that Kraft hire that atty. It's an In-Your-Face to espn that hits them where it counts. Go for it! Bobby!

Rob0729 · Feb 19, 2015

I posted this in another thread. Here is a way to contact the ESPN Ombudsman. Let's see him tackle the biased reporting of Deflategate:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?id=2826900

Rob0729 · Feb 19, 2015

patfanken said:
BTW- neuro is right. Welles is far from an "independent" investigator. He's done this before, and he knows that if he doesn't make the league come out in the most positive way possible, he won't do it again.

Well we all know that the league can't possibly come out of this looking positive, but Welles can in the prime position to ease the pain, and the best way to do that is to keep the focus on the Pats instead of the league. And the best way to do that is to leave the question of whether the Pats did or did not purposely alter the football open to question. It's the old, "don't look at me.....look at HIM strategy.

Bob Kraft may one day get his apology, but it may be a very limited one. Something like "sorry we didn't catch you cheating.....THIS time.:"

Ted Wells' firm does a lot of work for the league. Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison, Wells' employer, is a litigation law firm that does a lot of work for the NFL. Wells has a lot more interest in protecting the league than whether he will be given another investigation. That law firm has revenues at about a billion dollars a year and a large portion of those revenues come from the NFL.

BradyManny · Feb 19, 2015

Rob0729 said:
I posted this in another thread. Here is a way to contact the ESPN Ombudsman. Let's see him tackle the biased reporting of Deflategate:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?id=2826900

Who is their ombudsman right now? From what I can tell Lipsyte was done @ the end of 2014 yet he's listed on ESPN's site as their current ombudsman.

BradyManny · Feb 19, 2015

Rob0729 said:
Ted Wells' firm does a lot of work for the league. Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison, Wells' employer, is a litigation law firm that does a lot of work for the NFL. Wells has a lot more interest in protecting the league than whether he will be given another investigation. That law firm has revenues at about a billion dollars a year and a large portion of those revenues come from the NFL.

So it really couldn't be a bigger conflict of interest, then. Super.

Rob0729 · Feb 19, 2015

BradyManny said:
Who is their ombudsman right now? From what I can tell Lipsyte was done @ the end of 2014 yet he's listed on ESPN's site as their current ombudsman.

Unfortunately, they haven't named one. I assume he is still doing it until they appoint another one even though his tenure was supposed to end after 18 months.

The Gr8est · Feb 19, 2015

FreeTedWilliams said:
I would love it if Kraft hired the best defamation attorney in the country for McNally!

The fact that the pre-gamer pressure of the balls was never recorded precludes ever finding the Pats guilty of anything. The rest of the NFL ineptness is just icing on the cake. Clearly Kensil needs to be fired. If I was Kraft I would be in Goodell's office right now, demanding Kenisl's firing, the Jets first round pick for tampering, and press conference where the NFL clearly states that the Pats did nothing wrong, and that this was a case of "prosecutorial misconduct" and issue a full and public apology, and grant the Pats the 33rd pick in the draft as compensation for Kensil's unprecedented personal attack on the Patriot's character. And if Goodell balks, Kraft should quickly call his owner buddies and have Goodell removed.

I like this. I know that the owners cannot sue the NFL, but in defense of Jim McNally, wouldn't Bob Kraft be able to have an independent investigation performed?

That is likely to open a whole can of worms the NFL won't want to touch.

Imagine if another independent investigation unearthed conflicting information from the Wells investigation, or showed that the NFL withheld crucial information from the public or tried to cover up other wrong doing by the league.

They are in your hand Bob, start squeezing.

Rob0729 · Feb 19, 2015

BradyManny said:
So it really couldn't be a bigger conflict of interest, then. Super.

That is why I always thought the report would be fixed against the Pats. Granted the more information that comes out, the more the Wells report will have to throw a lot of blame on the NFL and their processes. With the news that the refs do not record PSI nor did when they measured the balls at halftime and news that an NFL employee tried to sneak an unapproved ball into the game because he was stealing footballs (which got him fired), I don't think they can just do what they wanted to do which was "We know the Pats cheated, but we cannot prove it so we are going to give them a small fine". Now they have to attack the NFL's process or they will look even more like a sham than they already look.

BradyManny · Feb 19, 2015

Rob0729 said:
Unfortunately, they haven't named one. I assume he is still doing it until they appoint another one even though his tenure was supposed to end after 18 months.

Rob, unfortunately, there is no ombudsman right now:

Steve (Los Angeles)

Does ESPN even have an ombudsman right now? I thought Robert Lipsyte retired and I haven't heard of a replacement yet.

Mike
(12:20 PM)

I don't believe ESPN currently has an ombudsman. Perhaps this will expedite the process, or they can get someone in there as a temp just to address this issue. I believe it is important.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/boston/chat/_/id/51603

RobertWeathers · Feb 19, 2015

NYCPatsFan said:
Absolutely fantastic read!!

http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/curran-another-black-eye-nfl-deflategate-quest

Admired that Curran takes to task the media that rushed to villify McNally. His words:

" ....Jim McNally, the 48-year-old from New Hampshire who spent about 18 hours in the glare of a national spotlight as the latest face of Patriots evil? It looks like indignant media members who hoisted McNally up by his lapels and slammed him into the wall can let him down now. Maybe dust him off and give him a pat on the shoulder. No hard feelings, old chap...."

And this on Kensil:

"The Patriots have been Kensil’s Moby **** for years, and now he thinks he's got ball shenanigans in progress in the AFC Championship Game. It must have Christmas Day, New Year's Eve and the Fourth of July all rolled into one for 'ol Mike . . . a 20-year employee of the Jets who happened to be in the front office when Bill Belichick left the franchise at the altar by resigning as the HC of the NYJ."

How can I say priceless in all the languages in the world?

Thank you Curran.

Thanks for sharing.

Bobsyouruncle · Feb 19, 2015

The connection has not been made between Kensil checking PSI on Patriot balls and a guy scamming balls that somehow leads to one story going national and the other more damning story but getting buried. IMO a fairly reasonable and obvious explanation connecting the two incidents other than coincidence is available.

I'll get to that later, but there is an implication more troublesome than a corrupt official and clueless VP. That's the least of the issues now.

PatsWickedPissah · Feb 19, 2015

The Gr8est said:
I like this. I know that the owners cannot sue the NFL, but in defense of Jim McNally, wouldn't Bob Kraft be able to have an independent investigation performed?

That is likely to open a whole can of worms the NFL won't want to touch.

Imagine if another independent investigation unearthed conflicting information from the Wells investigation, or showed that the NFL withheld crucial information from the public or tried to cover up other wrong doing by the league.

They are in your hand Bob, start squeezing.

Kraft simply needs to fund McNally's lawyer.
I assume that the owners get full access to the Wells report but not the testimony& data it used to formulate the report.
The lawyer can demand access to those background items Wells report to see if there is any evidence showing that his client was deliberately targeted, and so on. It doesn't matter if there is any of that evidence there but just the thought of a Kraft funded lawyer getting access to additional investigation info would be priceless.

PATSNUTme · Feb 19, 2015

According to Ben Volin's article today, neither BB or TFB have been interviewed by the NFL investigators as of late last week. I wonder if that is an indication of the direction this is going.

Rob0729 · Feb 19, 2015

BradyManny said:
Rob, unfortunately, there is no ombudsman right now:

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/boston/chat/_/id/51603

Well, that sucks.

Rob0729 · Feb 19, 2015

As Dale Arnold pointed out, there is big news in Curran's piece if he is right. He says only 6 balls were under the proper PSI and only a tick under. From his piece:

Eleven of 12 balls were two PSI under? No, it was around six and they’re under by a “few ticks.”

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