Patriots need to keep Revis, even if it means picking up year 2

supafly · Feb 17, 2015

As @JMC00 pointed out, it's likely going to take some time for Revis, so we probably shouldn't start to panic for another couple of weeks.

Brady_to_Moss · Feb 17, 2015

Bed Check Billy said:
Just saw a Florio article claiming that Revis thought this would be a one year deal. Not even any sources. He couldn't even bother listing "sources close to Revis". Total BS.

This isn't news IMO. Florio the troll hates the pats and loves just getting paid to spew BS

Mogamedogz · Feb 17, 2015

I get the sense that he's gone. Helped us get that 4th ring so I'll forever be grateful to him for that. But Revis is what he is until/unless he does anything to suggest otherwise. He's a hired gun. Great player and smart guy who understands (like Belichick does) that this is a buisness, and it's a very cold one at that. Just as teams and GMs have to do what they feel is in the best interest of the team, players have to do what is in the best interest for their careers. More times than not, getting the most money possible is in the players best interest. Especially since he has his ring.

I'd never fault him for going about his career this way. It's likely exactly how I would handle it in his shoes. Get every dollar possible. Wins won't keeep him sleeping in Satin sheets for the rest of his life. Adding to his family's bottomline should be his top priority. Make as much as he can now, and focus on growing it into a fortune when his playing days are over.

The Pats will be fine with or without him. While I hope he stays, I'd prefer for the team not to overpay for him.

supafly · Feb 17, 2015

Mogamedogz said:
I'd never fault him for going about his career this way. It's likely exactly how I would handle it in his shoes. Get every dollar possible. Wins won't keeep him sleeping in Satin sheets for the rest of his life. Adding to his family's bottomline should be his top priority. Make as much as he can now, and focus on growing it into a fortune when his playing days are over.

I get what you're saying, but when you've already made about 100--125 million dollars, one would think that you may be willing to take something like a 3/40 deal rather than a 3/43 deal if there are other factors that go into the equation.

The investments and interest alone that Revis is making every year should be "enough to keep him in satin sheets" for the rest of his life....and his kids' lives....and his grandkids' lives.

If that extra million dollars per year is worth playing in Tampa Bay or Cleveland more than here in N.England where Belichick and Brady have gone to 9 AFCCG's and are defending SB champs, then maybe one's priorities aren't lined up correctly.

I wouldn't find this example appropriate in some situations, but a proven player like Revis who's already made tons of money should take other factors into the equation.

Mogamedogz · Feb 17, 2015

supafly said:
I get what you're saying, but when you've already made about 100--125 million dollars, one would think that you may be willing to take something like a 3/40 deal rather than a 3/43 deal if there are other factors that go into the equation.

The investments and interest alone that Revis is making every year should be "enough to keep him in satin sheets" for the rest of his life....and his kids' lives....and his grandkids' lives.

If that extra million dollars per year is worth playing in Tampa Bay or Cleveland more than here in N.England where Belichick and Brady have gone to 9 AFCCG's and are defending SB champs, then maybe one's priorities aren't lined up correctly.

I wouldn't find this example appropriate in some situations, but a proven player like Revis who's already made tons of money should take other factors into the equation.

Me personally, I wouldn't leave a nickel on the table, let alone a few million. Especially if I've already reached the mountain top.

Money would be my primary interest. I think a lot of players feel that way also. It's never enough. I'd try to become wealthy. Not just rich, but wealthy. Might not get there, but I know I'd try as best I could for as long as I'm alive.

That's why I don't get on Peyton for being money hungry. And you could be right, maybe my priorities are messed up, it's just how I feel Id handle it. But like Revis and Peyton, I'm someone who really enjoys making lots of money. Im not saying it's the most important thing in "life", but it is absolutely the most important thing in my career, and it would be even more so in their line of work where it could be over in an instant.

supafly · Feb 17, 2015

Mogamedogz said:
Me personally, I wouldn't leave a nickel on the table, let alone a few million. Especially if I've already reached the mountain top.

Money would be my primary interest. I think a lot of players feel that way also. It's never enough. I'd try to become wealthy. Not just rich, but wealthy. Might not get there, but I know I'd try as best I could for as long as I'm alive.

That's why I don't get on Peyton for being money hungry. And you could be right, maybe my priorities are messed up, it's just how I feel Id handle it. But like Revis and Peyton, I'm someone who really enjoys making lots of money. Im not saying it's the most important thing in "life", but it is absolutely the most important thing in my career, and it would be even more so in their line of work where it could be over in an instant.

I admire and respect your honesty.

I just can't buy the excuse of "I've made 149 million over my career....if I only could've made another few million everything would be okay! I'm just trying to feed my family."

To me, that's the biggest crock of **** I've ever heard in my entire life. Just my opinion. The level of greed in our society is sickening.

The amount of money made on an approx. 5 percent investment return every year alone is insane on money like that. I understand and agree with earning potential, and the need to try and take advantage of it. I just don't believe it comes close to applying in cases such as Peyton Manning and Darrelle Revis, who are already well-established and have made a ton of money.

kennyb · Feb 17, 2015

He probably wants to guage the market. Nothing to lose by releasing him. If he wants to come back he can.

mgteich · Feb 17, 2015

supafly said:
I admire and respect your honesty.

I just can't buy the excuse of "I've made 149 million over my career....if I only could've made another few million everything would be okay! I'm just trying to feed my family."

To me, that's the biggest crock of **** I've ever heard in my entire life. Just my opinion. The level of greed in our society is sickening.

The amount of money made on an approx. 5 percent investment return every year alone is insane on money like that. I understand and agree with earning potential, and the need to try and take advantage of it. I just don't believe it comes close to applying in cases such as Peyton Manning and Darrelle Revis, who are already well-established and have made a ton of money.

While I generally agree with you, I think that compensation is important to almost all top players. I agree players are more choosy once they have played through their first big contract. So, guys like Welker, Manning and Revis can be very selective with regard to who they might play for. For some being on a Super Bowl contender might be key. To another, location may be critical. That doesn't mean that money will not be important.

If what you say were really true, Revis would choose where he wanted to play and sign on for $1M. If it were the patriots, he would sign a long term deal. If he wanted someone else, he would wait for the patriots to cut him and then sign somewhere else.

As I have said before, there are few players signing on for significant discounts. I must say that this is OK with me. After all, if money didn't matter to top players, a "popular" team among the players could put together great teams for very little money. Some folks that the patriots have such a draw. If it really worked that way, all-pros might agree to play for the patriots for $1M just to win a Super Bowl.

I'm being a bit extreme to make the point. I agree that Revis likely isn't interest in the very top money he could get. That would likely be playing for a weak team. On the other hand, I have no reason to believe that he would play for NE for $3M a year less than he would sign on to BALT or another contender. He might like the team enough, or not. I could certainly see the appeal of playing for the patriots for say $10M a year guaranteed and keeping the defense together. Brady did that.

farn · Feb 17, 2015

I would not go for "every dollar". Good for the people on here who feel that way.

I live comfortably. I could easily have chosen another line of work that brings in much more cash - but I chose what makes me happy. My neighbours make more money, but they aren't happier. I live very well. I have what I need.

Maybe being in NE isn't what will make Revis happy. Maybe making the most money is what he really wants. He has the chance to make the best decisions for him. His past has shown that he will chase the top deal.

But not everyone in life is obsessed with money. I know I'm not. Nor was Bruschi.

(and taking top dollar to be richer when you can be stinking rich - while being potentially less happy - ridiculous in my world)

micronin127 · Feb 17, 2015

The NFL is over a 10 billion dollar a year business. Teams cannot cry poor. Players want to be paid what they are worth and it is up to the team to manage its cap.

The Pats will try to get Revis based on what players signed for a year ago... Sherman, etc... which was in the $13-14 million range, but then the cap went up 8 million last year and it will go up again this year. So... Revis may want more than what the market was last year.

Also, age becomes a factor. The Patriots probably want him for 3 years. Revis probably wants 5-6 years and all at big dollars and with a very large amount of it guaranteed.

I really want Revis back, but I do not think it is 100% that the two sides will agree on what is fair.

RIpats88 · Feb 17, 2015

Not really sure why everyone here thinks its a foregone conclusion he is gone and he will go to a dark abyss like oakland or buffalo for 18million.

1. Sources state Revis said he doesnt need to be the highes paid corner, just in the ballpark. that number is around 13-14million.

2.Revis himself said after the superbowl he would LOVE to be back and repeat.

3. Patriots generally pay players what they believe they are worth. they handed out big contracts to mayo, wilfork, gronk etc. becase they viewed them as elte and worth it. If you look at the guys they didnt pay or let go because the y werent worth the $$ generally they have been right. This idea that unless revis takes a hometown discoun he is gone is misguided. Pats will pay him market value

the florio article is a joke. Jonathan Kraft ALREADY said that it was a 1 year deal and year 2 was a "holding year"

Brady_to_Moss · Feb 17, 2015

kennyb said:
He probably wants to guage the market. Nothing to lose by releasing him. If he wants to come back he can.

He already knows the market based on last years deals for Sherman and Hayden ect

And i don't know where this whole "i feel like he is gone" camp is coming from...

patfanken · Feb 17, 2015

or This is all essentially mental masturbation. We have a lot of speculation and a few facts, some of which are contradictory. In the end this is the situation as I see it.

1. Revis wants to paid as an elite CB

2. He enjoyed his time here, liked playing for BB, and the guys in the locker room

3. Currently the top paid CB's (Sherman/Peterson) are making $13-14MM/yr, and are 3-4 yrs younger

4. History tells us that the Pats are willing to pay him $13-14MM/yr....but not over that.

5. Miguel has shown us possible contract constructs, that show that a deal in that range is both doable both in 2015, but isn't onerous in future years as well

6. A deal in that range would save the Pats at LEAST $6-7MM in cap space, and more if they back load it some.

So there we. have it. Common sense would say that given the above "facts", a long term deal with Revis is inevitable as it ticks off all the boxes. He likes it here. He is being paid what he needs. And there is there is no other program what wins more consistently. But the problem is common sense doesn't always rule the day.

Here is what we DON'T know.

1. If he truly is a mercenary, who has the pathological need to know no other CB is making more than he is.

2. He is egotistical enough to feel that since he was a big part of bringing a superbowl to the Pats, so lets go and do it for some other team.

3. What if all the talk about liking it here and working for BB was just "talk". Maybe he'd rather go where somewhere where they don't have to work as hard and spend that much time on football.

That's the situation and frankly speculating on various scenarios isn't going to change them or speed up a resolution. As BB would say, it will be what it will be, and sometime in the next 3 weeks we will find out. At that time there will be plenty of opportunities for some people to boast, "See, I told you so" and others to say, "Wow, I never saw THAT coming".

1960Pats · Feb 17, 2015

patfanken said:
or This is all essentially mental masturbation. We have a lot of speculation and a few facts, some of which are contradictory. In the end this is the situation as I see it.

1. Revis wants to paid as an elite CB

2. He enjoyed his time here, liked playing for BB, and the guys in the locker room

3. Currently the top paid CB's (Sherman/Peterson) are making $13-14MM/yr, and are 3-4 yrs younger

4. History tells us that the Pats are willing to pay him $13-14MM/yr....but not over that.

5. Miguel has shown us possible contract constructs, that show that a deal in that range is both doable both in 2015, but isn't onerous in future years as well

6. A deal in that range would save the Pats at LEAST $6-7MM in cap space, and more if they back load it some.

So there we. have it. Common sense would say that given the above "facts", a long term deal with Revis is inevitable as it ticks off all the boxes. He likes it here. He is being paid what he needs. And there is there is no other program what wins more consistently. But the problem is common sense doesn't always rule the day.

Here is what we DON'T know.

1. If he truly is a mercenary, who has the pathological need to know no other CB is making more than he is.

2. He is egotistical enough to feel that since he was a big part of bringing a superbowl to the Pats, so lets go and do it for some other team.

3. What if all the talk about liking it here and working for BB was just "talk". Maybe he'd rather go where somewhere where they don't have to work as hard and spend that much time on football.

That's the situation and frankly speculating on various scenarios isn't going to change them or speed up a resolution. As BB would say, it will be what it will be, and sometime in the next 3 weeks we will find out. At that time there will be plenty of opportunities for some people to boast, "See, I told you so" and others to say, "Wow, I never saw THAT coming".

I think history can tell us a lot. When he was with the Jets he signed on the dotted line for big money with most of it front loaded and then cried about being underpaid in the last year.That was the reason that he became known as Mevis. I'd continue to deal with him one year at a time.

patsbrasilpatriotas · Feb 17, 2015

Revis is 30 years old, had a major injury.
So despite of being the BEST CB in the league ( and i really like the guy and pray that he stays) if he willing to get 18m per year he can leave now.
You guys really think that 4 m is the difference between Revis and a guy like Peterson or Sherman ? Almost 10m to a guy like Vontae Davis? I disagree.
I think he should become the highest paid CB, because NOW he is the better CB in the league. But only if the deal is on a reasonable range, like Sherman and Perterson deals ( 14m x 14.01m), they should offer him 14.02 to make a statement.
I can not see Revis improving with time, I think that although he did not suddenly get worse over the years (Manning decline) , he has already reached his peak and maturity. And four years from now he wont be the best CB in the league. Try to give a name of one guy 30+ years old thatis the best in the league (Tom not included). Will be a absurd like Wilfork get 8m and Suh 10M. Wilfork IMO, was a better player. Nowadays, Suh is WAY better.

PatsFanInVa · Feb 17, 2015

Every point I think I feel like making is gainsaid by the equivalent downside.

My main thing is, it is what it is, similar to what Ken just said. We don't even know whether there is some House-of-Cards deception in BB saying to Revis "THIS is why we brought you here!" We don't know if there's any deception in Management's statement that the 2015 # was always a "placeholder." We don't know if Revis just wants the pressure on the Pats to sign him, when he says he likes it in NE and blah blah blah.

I mean, we don't know the opposite of any of those things either.

Beyond that, we don't know the future... so where people are always talking about backloading more and more of the contract, (1) if it's not guaranteed money, it doesn't really exist, so eff it; and (2) if it is guaranteed money, pushing too much into the future raises the specter of dead money hits.

Hence my present position: I cannot know more. I cannot figure out more. I cannot stop reading about it, reading others' thoughts on it, and going "hmmm." I cannot gain the actual knowledge I want by doing so.

I hope Revis is back

I think he does much more for us than just who we take away from the other team directly through Revis. I think we keep him, and I think we do it in that $12-14M APY range. But because of everything we've discussed, I have no clue as to whether that happens.

mgteich · Feb 17, 2015

patfanken said:
or This is all essentially mental masturbation. We have a lot of speculation and a few facts, some of which are contradictory. In the end this is the situation as I see it.

1. Revis wants to paid as an elite CB

2. He enjoyed his time here, liked playing for BB, and the guys in the locker room

3. Currently the top paid CB's (Sherman/Peterson) are making $13-14MM/yr, and are 3-4 yrs younger

4. History tells us that the Pats are willing to pay him $13-14MM/yr....but not over that.

5. Miguel has shown us possible contract constructs, that show that a deal in that range is both doable both in 2015, but isn't onerous in future years as well

6. A deal in that range would save the Pats at LEAST $6-7MM in cap space, and more if they back load it some.

So there we. have it. Common sense would say that given the above "facts", a long term deal with Revis is inevitable as it ticks off all the boxes. He likes it here. He is being paid what he needs. And there is there is no other program what wins more consistently. But the problem is common sense doesn't always rule the day.

Here is what we DON'T know.

1. If he truly is a mercenary, who has the pathological need to know no other CB is making more than he is.

2. He is egotistical enough to feel that since he was a big part of bringing a superbowl to the Pats, so lets go and do it for some other team.

3. What if all the talk about liking it here and working for BB was just "talk". Maybe he'd rather go where somewhere where they don't have to work as hard and spend that much time on football.

That's the situation and frankly speculating on various scenarios isn't going to change them or speed up a resolution. As BB would say, it will be what it will be, and sometime in the next 3 weeks we will find out. At that time there will be plenty of opportunities for some people to boast, "See, I told you so" and others to say, "Wow, I never saw THAT coming".

I agree with your analysis.

However, I don't think that Revis would be "pathological" or "egotistical" to want to consider playing for another team. He played for the patriots for $12M, and he gave us value for the money. The patriots don't owe him anything. And Revis doesn't owe the patriots anything.

Presuming that the team is not going to pay Revis $20M, then Revis can decide whether NE is his first choice and what it would take for him to sign with New England before free agency starts. After that, Revis can decide look at the various options available and can use his own criteria to decide where he wants to play.

The bottom line is that over the years I have seen many, many posts saying how foolish anyone would be to choose to play for any other team than NE, and how foolish it would be to decide to want to live in any other area than Boston or Providence. We all want Revis to choose to stay. Personally, I can understand why he might want to stay. I also can understand why Revis, or anyone, might want to see what options are available before making a choice.

supafly · Feb 17, 2015

mgteich said:
If what you say were really true, Revis would choose where he wanted to play and sign on for $1M.

I think you wrote a well thought out response, but this isn't what I'm saying...at all.

I'm saying that at this point in certain careers, one could realistically choose a 4/50 contract over a 4/52 contract without much problem.

I'm hardly advocating the choice to take ONE million dollars instead of say, 15 million. That's not it at all.

Patriots1364life · Feb 17, 2015

Go look at the history of great cornerbacks. They played well into their late 30s. I have no problem giving revis a 4 year deal. Revis is worth every cent.

Deus Irae · Feb 17, 2015

Patriots1364life said:
Go look at the history of great cornerbacks. They played well into their late 30s. I have no problem giving revis a 4 year deal. Revis is worth every cent.

Asomugha's play fell into the abyss. That's the sort of thing the Patriots will remember.

Patriots need to keep Revis, even if it means picking up year 2

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