Welker and Edelman

LeoparCT said:

Who is this Ivana person and why does she think she can talk to me?

Quoting me twice from the exact same statement with different retorts each time. Ivana how many voices in your head? You know what don't answer because I don't want you talking to me.

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By the way Mapplethorpe, the women who post here regularly know much more about football than you do, so calling me "she" doesn't work well for you.

Jules has more heart then welker has ever shown.

Also he makes a mean smoothie.

chasa said:

Jules has more heart then welker has ever shown.

Also he makes a mean smoothie.

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Disagree, Weller took ungodly shots and kept going and never lacked for heart in any way. The same can be said for Edelman, however a big difference in Edelman's favor is his leadership, which was on full display in the Super Bowl. Watching the sound FX clips I was incredibly impressed by how vocal and how good a leader he is, and I put a lot of stock in leadership when evaluating players. This years Bruins are a good example of how a purely statistical analysis can damage a team when making roster moves. Welker produced like a HOF player but was never that kind of leader for them.

Ivan said:

By the way Mapplethorpe, the women who post here regularly know much more about football than you do, so calling me "she" doesn't work well for you.

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Good for you. I find nothing as irritating as when people feminize a name or use a feminine pronoun in order to suggest that someone is not tough or knowledgeable. As if females aren't tough or smart. Pitiful.

Welker was the better receiver out of the two, but Jules is the better overall football player. Nobody followed their blocks like Welker and got the maximum amount of YAC, but Edelman just brings so much value as a WR, PR, Wing Player, ST, emergency defender, emergency QB. I still think his best position in the NFL would have been as a 3rd down RB, but alas that ship has sailed.

Jules isn't a slot wide out and can do quite a bit more than Wes could. Shame we didn't have both going in their prime.

McClusky said:

Welker was the better receiver out of the two, but Jules is the better overall football player. Nobody followed their blocks like Welker and got the maximum amount of YAC, but Edelman just brings so much value as a WR, PR, Wing Player, ST, emergency defender, emergency QB. I still think his best position in the NFL would have been as a 3rd down RB, but alas that ship has sailed.

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Let's not forget Welker was an emergency K, too, and could have played DB if the Pats needed him (he had 22 INTs in HS as a DB).

Personally, though, I wonder if Edelman would have made a better CB than a WR. Certainly he has made opponents pay when he reaches them (Vince Young, Lady Tom, Jeremy Lane).

Fow what it's worth I was rewatching the SB last night and it suddenly struck me that Amendola really looks like Welker in style. Edelman, with his athleticism and ability to make people miss is just a different type of receiver.

People quickly forget how good welker was with the pats. 5 pro bowls, 2 ap allpro first team, 2 ap allpro second team. He is one of the main reasons for the pats success from 07-12. Resilient as anything only missing time for an acl tear from a crappy Houston field.

This board went crazy when edelman took snaps from welker in 12. Welker was just the better player back then. Edelman has put two great years in a row and I expect several more. Welker did it for 6 years in NE and was the heart of the team for many of those years.

juny said:

People quickly forget how good welker was with the pats. 5 pro bowls, 2 ap allpro first team, 2 ap allpro second team. He is one of the main reasons for the pats success from 07-12. Resilient as anything only missing time for an acl tear from a crappy Houston field.

This board went crazy when edelman took snaps from welker in 12. Welker was just the better player back then. Edelman has put two great years in a row and I expect several more. Welker did it for 6 years in NE and was the heart of the team for many of those years.

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I only remember deus and Ivan going crazy.

In a parallel universe...the pats dump Amendola....then he signs with the Broncos and Welker signs with the Pats to fill Amendola's role.

ThatllMoveTheChains!!! said:

I only remember deus and Ivan going crazy.

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That figures. The 2 biggest welker fans on the board getting their panties twisted when he sits for Edelman. I bet they both believe the game saving catches Jules made in the Super Bowl could've easily been made by old butterfingers welker too. I'd never dismiss that welker was a very good player for the pats but I do question if he's clutch in the biggest moments. It's one thing to catch a game saving drive in week 14 and another to do it in the AFCCG or the Super Bowl and welker has shown in his multiple visits to both games that he's not as clutch. I'd always throw to Edelman to grab the ball in a game saving drive in the Super Bowl but I wouldn't have anywhere near that faith in Wes.

Wes was the better receiver, there's no doubt in my mind. However I prefer Jules because,

A. He didn't leave us on a sour note.
B. He made the clutch plays on the biggest stages. Welker had critical drops in both the SB and the '12 AFCCG. With Jules you can look at the tying TD pass to Amendola against the Ravens or the 3rd and long against the Seahawks when he got smashed over the middle and held onto the ball. Saved our season right there.

Just remembered that scene out of BB's "A Football Life," where BB is needling Wes about Edelman returning a punt, and asking Welker if he knew who Wally Pipp was. At the end, Welker tells BB Jules can have the punt returner job (jokingly), and BB says, "Way to compete."

The first time I saw it, I laughed, and assumed it was two close guys cracking jokes. But now that I look back on it, it might have hinted at something else under the surface for both.



Maybe I'm over-analyzing. But he asked Ernie for the info so he could go over and needle Wes with it. It wasn't just off the top of his head. Makes me wonder if he was trying to motivate Wes more.

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I don't think Welker ever embraced the Patriot Way. The team's assessment of him was diminished by that lack of engagement. He left to show it was Wes Welker and not the Patriot Way that made him a great slot receiver. Unfortunately, he was wrong. The team that made an undrafted receiver look good did the same for a seventh round pick.

Turns out they made another undrafted DB look good this year. Maybe there is something to the Patriot Way.

Wes Walker was a great player and deserved every nickel and every compliment he ever earned. But, I'd take Edelman over him every day of the week and twice on Sunday - particularly Super Bowl Sunday.

Welker was unbelievably productive in a Pats uni... but seriously... don't you think Edelman makes this catch?

oldrover said:

Welker was unbelievably productive in a Pats uni... but seriously... don't you think Edelman makes this catch?

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I can't implore people enough not to post that GIF. Thanks to the events of a few Sundays ago, it stings less, but I'd still rather not see it.

Welker was an amazing player for us - and he was great in SB42. Next to Brady, maybe he was MVP if Tyree doesn't make that stupid catch. However, he struggled in big games after that (as evidenced above...).

Edelman has that Deion Branch ****iness and big-game mentality - and his make-up consists of whatever it is I usually dismiss as intangible, but am starting to believe is a factor when playing a 60 minute game versus the best defenses in the league in the most important games of the year.

Edelman's also much physically stronger, and able to play more positions in the offense. Welker was better in the slot, but Edelman is better elsewhere.

convertedpatsfan said:

Maybe I'm over-analyzing. But he asked Ernie for the info so he could go over and needle Wes with it. It wasn't just off the top of his head. Makes me wonder if he was trying to motivate Wes more.

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OTOH, it could have just been gnawing Belichick the history buff that there was this important piece of sports trivia that he just couldn't remember.

oldrover said:

Welker was unbelievably productive in a Pats uni... but seriously... don't you think Edelman makes this catch?

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It was a really tough catch. Tom turned him around, he was clearly looking for it inside and Brady threw it outside. I certainly wouldn't bet the house on Edelman to make it. That's a tough catch for any WR. Welker had a 77.2% catch rate in '07, Edelman had a 68.7% catch rate this year. I'd take Welker. Lots of people want to rewrite history because of the outcome. I guarantee you if you gave people the option for either one of those before they knew the outcome 100% of them would choose Welker in that situation. Some people can't separate emotion from fact in their decision making process.