PatsFans.com Menu
PatsFans.com - The Hub For New England Patriots Fans

IF Wes Welker retires from NFL, will he sign 1-day deal with Patriots?


Status
Not open for further replies.
Agreed. This is professional football. Free agency is a fact of life and guys move on. If you hate Welker for signing somewhere else, you have to hate Bill Belichick for being pragmatic and sometimes cold-blooded when cutting or trading veterans we like, or standing firm on the offers the Patriots make that result in players leaving. There are many more of the latter than the former.

All of these guys are extremely well-paid, and have a very short career lifespan. It's not fair to blame players for maximizing their earnings in a career that will be over for most by age 30.

Wes was a great Patriot. 5 out of 6 seasons with more than 100 receptions. He was fearless in traffic as a Patriot. The Patriots don't make two Super Bowls without him. He caught 111 passes in 2008 from Matt Cassel. Watch this:


This is wrong. This isn't why Welker left. False information.
 
I'd not only be okay with Welker coming back for a day to retire a Patriot, I'd be okay, if Amendola leaves (I think he might wind up in Denver), for the Pats to sign Welker to a 1-year backup deal in case Edelman gets hurt.(Although for his own sake, I hope he retires.)

Kind of like Collie a couple of years ago.

The hate for this guy is way over the top - now we're actually showing a drop on a play for a first down. Rewind 2014 and you'll find a lot of those with JE.

I remember a certain 99-yard TD against the Dolphins.

Regarding Superbowls, if, if, if...if Welker makes the catch, if Harrison bats the ball out, if they called in the grasp, if they called holding on the guy who's got his arm wrapped around Seymore's neck, if Samuel catches the pick, if Neal doesn't get hurt, if Pollard doesn't roll Gronk's ankle in an earlier game, if they had just knocked Manninghan out of bounds...

I'm sure Seattle fans are doing their if, if, ifs all over the place, right, and had they scored and won, we'd be doing the same. If Duron Harmon had played the ball instead of jumping over Kearse, if they hadn't gone prevent in the last .31 of the 1st half. If, if, if...denying Welker's stunning run with New England in the time he was here is nonsense. The guy was a beast and gave up his body every bit as much as JE and DA do now.

I don't hate him anymore than I hate McGinnest, Vinatieri, Branch, Seymore, Milloy, Law - it's a business, and a short career.
 
All of you people talking about bringing Welker back for a 1 year deal, purely for nostalgia, would be sad little pandas if we did, not that we will, when he drops the crucial postseason catch, which he would.

Amendola and Edelman have been clutch, and we won a 4th Superbowl.

Now people are drunk and want to bring back Welker for a 1 year deal lol.
 
All of you people talking about bringing Welker back for a 1 year deal, purely for nostalgia, would be sad little pandas if we did, not that we will, when he drops the crucial postseason catch, which he would.

Amendola and Edelman have been clutch, and we won a 4th Superbowl.

Now people are drunk and want to bring back Welker for a 1 year deal lol.

Concur. He made his bed and he can sleep in it in a nice fuzzy set of Broncos Jammies.

Welker is dead to me, just like Vinatieri.
 
I don't want Welker back, I don't want him retired as a Patriot, he made his bed as others said, he made comments that are questionable after leaving, his wife is a B (ok doesn't matter but she is) I always thought Edleman had more potential and he has proven to be better, all day long.

It would be no different than other guys retiring a Patriot which they didn't and some of them helped win a Super Bowl.

And I want Amendola back, maybe not for 5 mil but he did help win a SB with some great plays.
 
Signing a one day contract seems like an awkward and unneeded ceremony. He can be in the pats HOF in 10 years from now.

If. Pats go back and win the SB in next year or two, I wonder if the 05-13 era will seem milquetoast, which could be generally characterized as "the welker years" as he was so important in the middle of that timespan.

Like "remember the welker years when the Pats would win all the time except the super bowl?"
 
I couldn't care less whether Wes signs a 1-day deal, but the amount of vitriol directed toward him is disheartening.

im in the minority but if wes somehow returned i'd be all for it.
still one of my favorite pats!
 
Bringing Welker back - particularly on a symbolic end-of-career deal - would send a bad message to the players who stuck it out, trusted in Belichick's methods and actually won a championship. A lot goes into team chemistry, mental toughness and notions of respect. Making sure you reward hard work and commitment above all else is a key piece of that.
 
Bringing Welker back - particularly on a symbolic end-of-career deal - would send a bad message to the players who stuck it out, trusted in Belichick's methods and actually won a championship. A lot goes into team chemistry, mental toughness and notions of respect. Making sure you reward hard work and commitment above all else is a key piece of that.

Those players probably understand that this is a business and both sides made a decision that was in the best interest for them. I really don't care if they bring Welker back on a symbolic deal to let him retire a Patriot or not, but the notion that players currently in the clubhouse would take offense to that is kind of ridiculous. For example, I'd be willing to bet that Brady wouldn't have a problem with it.

Welcome back, by the way.
 
All of you people talking about bringing Welker back for a 1 year deal, purely for nostalgia, would be sad little pandas if we did, not that we will, when he drops the crucial postseason catch, which he would.

Amendola and Edelman have been clutch, and we won a 4th Superbowl.

Now people are drunk and want to bring back Welker for a 1 year deal lol.

If we don't keep Amendola - and depending on Revis, we might not - and we get into crunch time around week 14 with home field on the line...and JE gets hurt....I'd rather have Welker trot out onto the field than Josh Boyce. It's business, not nostalgia.

I hope Boyce gets it and can become that guy. Liked the kid since they brought him in. But in the situation outlined above, I'd rather have the guy who Brady can count on. Brady and Welker are still close friends. I don't think the Pats get home field this year without Amendola, to say nothing of their run through the playoffs.

If we keep Amendola, then no need to even think of a Collie-type on the shadow roster just in case.

I find it hilarious that you're accusing others of being emotional when in fact, it's YOU who are revealing emotional wounds with every post. It's business, period.
 
Great WR but never on the level of guys like Fitz/Andre Johnson etc. even today There's several recievers today I would take over prime welker. Would have a hard time getting into my top ten
 
This is wrong. This isn't why Welker left. False information.

Wes Welker was a free agent and signed elsewhere. That is all that is said in that post.
 
Despite the two huge drops in the SB and AFCCG, there is no question that WW had a great career with the Pats.

However there are other ex Pat alumni such as Ty Law, Willie Mac, Vrabes, Sey, etc that won multiple Super Bowls who left the team prior to their retirement and did not signed the ceremonial one-day contract. You could also argue that they had better overall tenures as Patriots than WW.

Personally I think the one day contract thing is silly. Even if WW and the Pats mend fences(assuming that there is an issue to begin with) its clearly not something the Patriots are really into doing regardless.
 
Two things here: #1 I'm guessing no one "hates Welker for simply signing somewhere else." There's much more to it than that. It's where and all of the circumstances surrounding it, not the least of which was Welker's huge F U to Belichick and the Pats. #2 When Belichick cuts or trades someone, he NEVER badmouths that player. On the contrary, he is overly polite and complimentary. Wes was just the opposite.
Well said, Heels.

As for the turn-coat claims by taking a deal with Denver, the Pats could have offered him a long-term deal in 2012. Did they? No. Franchise tag. On a then 30 year old receiver who had taken a massive beating in his years with the Pats. Was that loyalty by the Pats for a marquee player? Not remotely. As for the contract negotiations before he left, don't be so sure the contract offered to him was put together before he received a deal from Denver, and was more of a PR move than a legitimate negotiation. It is a business, and the Pats bled the guy and wisely let him go when he was pretty much used up. Welker wisely tried to salvage what he could with Denver. Loyalty is earned, not owed. Find where the organization was loyal to Welker, and I will change my mind on his decision to go to Denver.

Anyone who claims to be a fan of the Pats before the 2012 Super Bowl saw Welker catch the ball literally hundreds of times and get crushed by defenders with 50+ pounds on him. Those objective souls would also see Welker convert tons of 3rd downs, that put the Pats in the position to play Super Bowls. Manning is not getting his head ripped off every time he touches the ball, so that statistical comparison is flat-out dumb. As Rodney Harrison once famously said, if you believe what it's like to play in a game with hits like that, find a strong wall, take 6 or 7 steps back, and run full speed into it. Repeat that 20 or 30 times. That is what Welker paid for all those 'statistics'.

As for the 2012 catch, CHFF sums it up well. It was Brady and Welker, not one or the other. Plenty of pictures and analysis, if you want to sound more objective than a high school kid whose prom date didn't show up for the dance. Brady gave the Giants 2 points, and threw an interception in the 2nd half. Not his best game, and I believe Brady is the greatest to ever play that position. It is ridiculous to believe that his throw to Welker was intended to be some bomb back shoulder fade. It was off target. If the ball even touches a receiver's hands, bad on the receiver for not bringing it in. Blame to go around, on that play and in that game. Lost opportunities, team failings and team loss.

As for the OP, I don't see him coming back to retire a Patriot. I don't believe either side is really good with the other (this is also his 4th team - SD, Phins, Pats and Donkeys, so he wasn't a lifetime Pat - I see him more like Vrabel, who just retired from KC despite his history with the Pats). He will be in the Pats HOF.

Good post. I completely agree on the Brady pass to Welker in the Super Bowl.

Two things: 1) Welker was paid $9.4 million to play in 2012 which is hardly "being bled" by the Patriots. I would drop to my knees and thank God if someone paid me $9.4 to catch passes from Tom Brady for one year, and 2) Welker turned down a 2012 offer for $16 million over two years prior to having the franchise tag placed on him.

It takes two to tango. Welker and his agent made decisions in 2012 that led ultimately to his becoming a UFA.

What I don't get is the anger directed at him. He was an extraordinary receiver for six seasons. Tom Brady does not have the GOAT numbers he has posted without his friend Wes Welker. How many guys have come and gone who can't get the offense which demands reading the defense and getting to the right place at the right time? Welker was extraordinary in the slot, out wide, in bunch formations, you name it.

The team and the player parted ways. That doesn't detract from his contributions to the Patriots.

If this were baseball, I'd want Welker to go into the Hall of Fame as a Patriot, and when they induct him into the Patriots Hall of Fame, I hope people here celebrate his accomplishments.

If people are reading the Tony Dorsett stories this week about his battles with CET, pay heed. Wes Welker is on that track and his future is not promising. (I know, Peyton Manning's inability to throw the ball so receivers can protect themselves is a direct contributor to his problems.) As he retires, it is time to give him credit for all he did here.
 
Last edited:
There's no use in being consistent if you are consistently wrong.

You can knock Manning for a poor playoff record, but that doesn't mean he's not one of the best to ever play the game. That's only a tiebreaker between the best of the best. If there was no Tom Brady in this era, Manning would be the unquestioned #1. Welker was one of the best receivers of his era. There's really no denying it. It wasn't his fault that the O-line couldn't protect Brady in the two Giants Super Bowls. He's definitely not at the top of the blame list for those losses. Boiling it down to that drop is a fantastically small-minded view of that game.

That's your subjective opinion. He isn't the unquestioned #2. Aaron Rodgers has made a strong case for himself. Both of their playoff records are subpar, but Rodgers is more talented and he's played in the NFC his entire career against much stronger defenses than the ones Peyton has padded his stats against. I wouldn't even rank him in the top 5 all time at his position. Brady, Montana, Unitas, Otta Graham, Staubach, are all better. And you could make a case for others.

Welker also is not in the top 5 of this era. Possibly not even top 10. He's not even the best receiver in Patriots history.
 
Welker can only come to NE for a one day deal, he can't play anymore, he just doesn't have it anymore and I dint want the Pats to be accused of killing his brain when he has dementia at 42.
 
So much hatred for Wes Welker its actually quite sickening tbh.
 
Those players probably understand that this is a business and both sides made a decision that was in the best interest for them. I really don't care if they bring Welker back on a symbolic deal to let him retire a Patriot or not, but the notion that players currently in the clubhouse would take offense to that is kind of ridiculous. For example, I'd be willing to bet that Brady wouldn't have a problem with it.

Welcome back, by the way.
Brady probably wouldn't, but I get the sense others would. The rivalry with the Colts/Broncos and Manning is too great to expect every player (and coach) to compartmentalize it. If he had left for other teams, sure. But a lot of this year's Patriots players were here last year watching the Broncos with Welker collapse in the SB.

And thanks - I still consistently read the forum, but doing a startup means I don't have as much time to post these days.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.


MORSE: Patriots Draft Needs and Draft Related Info
Friday Patriots Notebook 4/19: News and Notes
TRANSCRIPT: Eliot Wolf’s Pre-Draft Press Conference 4/18/24
Thursday Patriots Notebook 4/18: News and Notes
Wednesday Patriots Notebook 4/17: News and Notes
Tuesday Patriots Notebook 4/16: News and Notes
Monday Patriots Notebook 4/15: News and Notes
Patriots News 4-14, Mock Draft 3.0, Gilmore, Law Rally For Bill 
Potential Patriot: Boston Globe’s Price Talks to Georgia WR McConkey
Friday Patriots Notebook 4/12: News and Notes
Back
Top