Blowing off steam about how Superbowl win is viewed.

Ivan · Feb 13, 2015

If dominating 3 out of four quarters and winning is "lucky" then I will take it.

TheBostonStraggler · Feb 13, 2015

supafly said:
It has certainly been brought up at times, TBS.

In my opinion, Butler's momentum on the INT made it pretty difficult to consider downing it in the end zone, but that's just the way I see it.

As a matter of fact, someone here claimed that Butler actually addressed the question at some point after the game during an interview. He (supposedly) said that he was concerned about giving SEA 2 points on a safety and being forced to punt the ball, so he fell down as soon as he was able to outside of the endzone. If true, that's an incredible job of quick processing and reacting for an undrafted rookie.

Thanks for the update Sup.

ZoisKing · Feb 13, 2015

supafly said:
It has certainly been brought up at times, TBS.

In my opinion, Butler's momentum on the INT made it pretty difficult to consider downing it in the end zone, but that's just the way I see it.

As a matter of fact, someone here claimed that Butler actually addressed the question at some point after the game during an interview. He (supposedly) said that he was concerned about giving SEA 2 points on a safety and being forced to punt the ball, so he fell down as soon as he was able to outside of the endzone. If true, that's an incredible job of quick processing and reacting for an undrafted rookie.

Butler definitely showcased some incredible football IQ in that situation. Amazing. It kind of shocks me that he isn't able to put sentences together though, considering how intelligent he is on the field.

102 Pat · Feb 13, 2015

I mentioned this response in a similar thread last week:

Kontradiction · Feb 13, 2015

Tunescribe said:
That's all you need to remember. Seattle's "luck" to get within scoring range was much, much greater than the Pats' "luck" in keeping them out of the end zone. Another way of looking at it is Kearse's catch and Butler's interception canceled each other out. Toss out those two plays and the commonly expected ending would be the Seahawks running out of time or downs.

Kearse's catch was immediately put in the same breath as Antonio Freeman's. In other words, it was being viewed as one of the flukiest and luckiest catches of all time. That should tell the haters enough about how lucky Seattle was to even be in that position. But, then again, the Patriots are Super Bowl champions. The haters can suck a ****.

JarOfMayo51 · Feb 13, 2015

breakin said:
Im sorry if this has previously been discussed by man im so sick of reading about how "lucky" the patriots were to win the game. I've talked to a whole lot of unbiased viewers and the common theme is that the patriots were the better team for 3 of the 4 quarters.

The most annoying part is you hear the haters talk about how lucky the patriots were to win because of the bad play call that lead to the Interception.

It annoys me because if the Seahawks somehow manage to finish that final drive and score then the narrative will be how the Patriots deserved to win but the Seahawks had an all time flukey/lucky catch to put them in a spot to win the game.

You have to learn to just embrace it, you can't let haters upset you or ruin your enjoyment.

The Pats have been on top for along time and people are getting tired of it, but f!#* em because we certainly aren't tired of it

It's human nature.. anyone or anything that achieves greatness will be the target of ridicule from the common peasants of the world.

Embrace the hate, the Patriots are world champions.... again!

tasmlab · Feb 13, 2015

IMO, you have to be pretty nitpicky to have any complaints about being a Patriots fan right now.

Tunescribe · Feb 13, 2015

ZoisKing said:
Butler definitely showcased some incredible football IQ in that situation. Amazing. It kind of shocks me that he isn't able to put sentences together though, considering how intelligent he is on the field.

There are different kinds of intelligence, often within the same person. You have to feel a bit for Butler coming out of nowhere and suddenly thrust into everybody's spotlight. He was a guest on NFLN the other night and really struggled to express himself; the hosts did a good job of helping him along. I just hope he keeps his head on straight and doesn't get overwhelmed by his sudden celebrity. Hopefully his teammates are watching over him a bit.

Patsfanin Philly · Feb 13, 2015

Tunescribe said:
There are different kinds of intelligence, often within the same person. You have to feel a bit for Butler coming out of nowhere and suddenly thrust into everybody's spotlight. He was a guest on NFLN the other night and really struggled to express himself; the hosts did a good job of helping him along. I just hope he keeps his head on straight and doesn't get overwhelmed by his sudden celebrity. Hopefully his teammates are watching over him a bit.

Though I don't know it for a fact, I have to believe that the Patriots PR people, Stacy James et al will sit down and help him out getting him some polish as I think they do will all the other players who get in front of the camera. Look at the players when they initially get to the Pats and after a few years. Maybe that explains why so many have gone into TV afterwards. Some are more at ease in front of the camera, Tedy B, Willie McG and others take a while to get there...

Jackson 2 · Feb 13, 2015

ZoisKing said:
Butler definitely showcased some incredible football IQ in that situation. Amazing. It kind of shocks me that he isn't able to put sentences together though, considering how intelligent he is on the field.

That's a little harsh. Just my opinion.

1960Pats · Feb 13, 2015

Patsfanin Philly said:
Sometimes you get the breaks (snow bowl/tuck rule, Butler Int) and sometimes you don't ( helmet catch, Manningham catch, Caldwell drop, Welker drop). and often one play or play call can make the difference. Get all the breaks and people call you lucky, don't get them and you're unlucky....
That play was part preparation ( let the clock run knowing they only had one TO which affects play call) and part fortune that Butler recognized it and was able to make the int without getting flagged for PI.....
I have heard people say they were "lucky" but maybe it's because I'm in Philly where people don't know what a Lombardi trophy looks like...

The fact that the trophy this year resembles a middle finger salute makes it that much better.

ZoisKing · Feb 13, 2015

Jackson 2 said:
That's a little harsh. Just my opinion.

Harsh, but true. I was surprised by how difficult he had it speaking to media. I didn't make that statement to put him down, but merely to illustrate the polarity between his on the field decision making, and his deficiency in social skills.

SHOWTIME15 · Feb 13, 2015

PATS16N0 said:
I only talk to fans of football teams with 4 Lombardis or more. Sorry, but if your football team doesn't at least have 4 Lombardi trophies, I just can't be seen talking to you. Too embarrassing.

I refuse to talk to are sit next to Giants fans. They have 4 lombardis but 3 of them were cheap wins.

Patriots, 49ers, Cowboys, packers, steelers are the only nfl dynasties.

JarOfMayo51 · Feb 13, 2015

Tunescribe said:
There are different kinds of intelligence, often within the same person. You have to feel a bit for Butler coming out of nowhere and suddenly thrust into everybody's spotlight. He was a guest on NFLN the other night and really struggled to express himself; the hosts did a good job of helping him along. I just hope he keeps his head on straight and doesn't get overwhelmed by his sudden celebrity. Hopefully his teammates are watching over him a bit.

Butler will be swimming through a sea of fine women for the rest of the offseason lol, he deserves it!

Tunescribe · Feb 13, 2015

ZoisKing said:
Harsh, but true. I was surprised by how difficult he had it speaking to media. I didn't make that statement to put him down, but merely to illustrate the polarity between his on the field decision making, and his deficiency in social skills.

Friend, why would you necessarily equate the two? I know plenty of gifted or highly skilled people who aren't very articulate. I also know well-spoken folks who are dopes. Sometimes it's cultural or related to upbringing, or how a person is built emotionally. Butler is a young man from a modest background who suddenly became famous. If that continues I'm sure he'll become more glib over time. I'm glad he's (so far) staying humble amidst it all. I just hope he keeps his head straight.

ZoisKing · Feb 13, 2015

Tunescribe said:
Friend, why would you necessarily equate the two? I know plenty of gifted or highly skilled people who aren't very articulate. I also know well-spoken folks who are dopes. Sometimes it's cultural or related to upbringing, or how a person is built emotionally. Butler is a young man from a modest background who suddenly became famous. If that continues I'm sure he'll become more glib over time.

I guess the thing that stood out the most, and was surprising to me, was how intelligent our players as a whole are when speaking to the media. We've got a wealth of socially savvy men playing on this team, and he doesn't come close to that right now. It stood out.

I agree with what you're saying, and see how it holds true with players based on what background they come from. My intent wasn't to make him out to be less than what he is based on his interactions with the media, but to illustrate how amazing he was in one facet, and not so much in another, especially considering the contrast when compared to our other players who excel in both.

Silver Blue&Red · Feb 13, 2015

Tunescribe said:
Friend, why would you necessarily equate the two? I know plenty of gifted or highly skilled people who aren't very articulate. I also know well-spoken folks who are dopes. Sometimes it's cultural or related to upbringing, or how a person is built emotionally. Butler is a young man from a modest background who suddenly became famous. If that continues I'm sure he'll become more glib over time. I'm glad he's (so far) staying humble amidst it all. I just hope he keeps his head straight.

Also, I think, he is just young and VERY shy. He's also very humble, which is a great attribute. He comes from a meager background where proper education is probably a hard thing to come by. He's overcome a lot. He took what only America can offer and grabbed it by the horns. I like him.

the Patriot · Feb 13, 2015

The sour grapes are just music to my ears at this point.

chasa · Feb 13, 2015

breakin said:
Im sorry if this has previously been discussed by man im so sick of reading about how "lucky" the patriots were to win the game. I've talked to a whole lot of unbiased viewers and the common theme is that the patriots were the better team for 3 of the 4 quarters.

The most annoying part is you hear the haters talk about how lucky the patriots were to win because of the bad play call that lead to the Interception.

It annoys me because if the Seahawks somehow manage to finish that final drive and score then the narrative will be how the Patriots deserved to win but the Seahawks had an all time flukey/lucky catch to put them in a spot to win the game.

It's situations I ask WWTSD

To quote the great one, "While you've been getting down about all the liars, you could have been getting down to this sweet beat"

Bostonian1962 · Feb 13, 2015

breakin said:
Im sorry if this has previously been discussed by man im so sick of reading about how "lucky" the patriots were to win the game. I've talked to a whole lot of unbiased viewers and the common theme is that the patriots were the better team for 3 of the 4 quarters.

The most annoying part is you hear the haters talk about how lucky the patriots were to win because of the bad play call that lead to the Interception.

It annoys me because if the Seahawks somehow manage to finish that final drive and score then the narrative will be how the Patriots deserved to win but the Seahawks had an all time flukey/lucky catch to put them in a spot to win the game.

I'm trying to decide which was luckier, the 5-bobble on the back catch that got Seattle down there, or the interception by Butler to seal the win? Also, ask the haters if holding Seattle to 12 completions for the entire game was luck. Ask them if Brady's record 37 completions was luck. Ask them if holding Seattle's KO and Punt return teams to a total combined yardage of 3 yards was luck. Ask them if scoring 28 points against the NFL's number one defense was luck, including 14 points in the last 8 minutes of the game. Or, you can just ignore the haters, that continue to make idiots out of themselves.

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