P.Carroll & the '98 Bledsoe Comeback vs. Miami

brdmaverick said:

yes, the Buffalo game was more of a 'gift' but hey we'll take it. If I recall correctly, the Pats were credited with a fourth down conversion to (again) Shawn jefferson in which both of his feet did NOT come down in bounds. This ws one of the games that had people screaming for instant replay.

Of course, on the next play Bledsoe tosses a a hail mary to the end zone. Glenn had a good shot at the ball but dropped it. Fortunately, the refs through a PI flag (that ws a gift too). Bledose then threw a 1 yard, untimed pass to Ben Coates for teh winning TD. Another fun fact, the Bills were SOOOOOO pissed off they stormed off the field. The Pats ran the extra point attempt with NO defense on the field. In fact, they had Vinatieri run it in for a 2 pt conversion.

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A one yard TD pass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But I saw on ESPN that's the craziest worstest most zaniest call evah! And not once has it ever worked, or could it ever work! Nobody has ever tried it ever, never ever!
You're remembering wrong! ESPN knows everything. Your memory makes Mark Brunell cry, and insults Chris Carter's intelligence.

brdmaverick said:

yes, the Buffalo game was more of a 'gift' but hey we'll take it. If I recall correctly, the Pats were credited with a fourth down conversion to (again) Shawn jefferson in which both of his feet did NOT come down in bounds. This ws one of the games that had people screaming for instant replay.
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I think the controversy with Jeffersons catch was that they marked the spot where the ball went out of bounds instead of where he stepped out. 99% of the time they go by the feet.

upstater1 said:

I think the controversy with Jeffersons catch was that they marked the spot where the ball went out of bounds instead of where he stepped out. 99% of the time they go by the feet.

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I'll see if I can find a clip of that play but I'm pretty sure his feet were in the air when his body hit the ground (and his body hit the ground out of bounds)

brdmaverick said:

This may be relevant again given the outcome of the Super Bowl. Let me preface by saying that I am NOT insinuating that Carroll is a bad coach or has lost his Seahawks, but I figure this memory might be a little more relevant now........


We all remember the thrilling Monday Night comeback the Patriots completed against Miami in 1998 right? Bledsoe broke his finger in two places on the drive and yet still hit Shawn Jefferson for the game winner?

Well, there was another key part of that drive. On Third and Ten from around the Miami 40 yard line or so Bledsoe hit Ben Coates for a short gain (three yards I think). So now the clock is running and camera cuts to Carroll on the sideline pleading for a timeout. Keep in mind during this era ONLY players on the field could call time out. Apparently the team saw Carroll calling for a time out but still flat out ignored him and proceeded with a play anyway. The Pats converted the fourth down play and Carroll had a wide, happy grin following the Jefferson conversion, but it was still one of the most peculiar things I saw. The accouncers even made reference to "Terry Glenn is looking right at him. I don't know why he isn't calling a time out". I've never seen a team disrespect their coach in this manner. Fast forward to this year, and Carroll's players again are showing disrespect by publicly questioning the playcalling.

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This has come up in this forum in the past, and yes, you are absolutely correct.

Bledsoe himself I'm sure looked over at the sidelines, saw his coach calling time out, ignored him, and made the 1st down.

It was clear to me at that point - and I believe I even remarked in a story or on a forum at the time, that Carroll was done as coach as he'd lost the respect of the players. I'd say I was right.

And I had exactly the same thought as you that the Seahawks may no longer respect Carroll's playcalling

When a bad call by a coach costs you a Super Bowl and a chance to say you were a dynasty, that's pretty huge to a player. I question how much credit the Seahawks even gave Carroll prior to this as I credit the big play execution of the players last year much more so than any fantastic coaching scheme

Now, like you, I happen to think that Carroll has grown as a coach since the Patriots (and certainly the Jets) - but at USC and now back in the NFL his success has come more from having the best players and less than great coaching. Obviously Brady is a big reason why Belichick is successfull as well, but there is no doubt that Belichick is a mastermind of a coach and his players all respect him - and if he told them he wanted them to fumble, they would do so and not ask why - knowing Belichick had a reason.

I think Carroll may have lost his team on that play, just as he did with the Patriots.

The problem is, the only way he's getting fired, is if the team tanks. And in my opinion, players have effectively gotten their coaches fired in the past when they think doing so serves the long time good.

It will be interesting to see how the players respond.

We need clips!

If there is a link to vision of this I would be eternally grateful.

that 2 gams MIA and BUF were awesome !!!
i remember too them with big pleasure

DREW WAS GREAT

I remember the ass slap by Carroll in one of the game, Bledsoe wasn't very happy. It even look like he want to break Carroll in half.