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Curran:Super Bowl's final minutes may unravel Carroll's Seahawks


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RESPECT THE CLOCK!

Curran needed to mention how BB deliberately let the clock run down placing HIS best bet that the Seachickens would mismanage their playacts in a rush and that his D was better prepared and more disciplined.
 
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That is just too bad... How many months are allotted for practice?

On a side note, someone claiming to be Layne Staley posted this moronic piece below the article:


The real question is how will the Patriots handle things when Belichick gets his one year suspension (ala Sean Payton) and Brady gets popped for 8 games. The Saints had a 3 or 4 win season I believe. I think the Patriots will do better than that however.
 
When you have a players coach with a rah rah attitude and a minimal player feeling of retribution for your actions. When the wheels come off the bus it usually happens quickly. The finger pointing has already started. Pete seems like a nice enough guy, but has always coached a bunch of thugs including USC.
 
The final two minutes of the game and everything Pete has done since the Super Bowl is classic 1998 version Pete Carroll. Whenever some say that Pete Carroll got a bumb wrap here and just didn't have the horses because of Bobby Grier, they should be forced to watch the final two minutes of the Super Bowl and all of Pete Carroll's interviews since to see what kind of disaster he was here. Sure the Seahawks fans have only gotten a few weeks of that guy, Pats fans got three years of him.
 
ok, to be fair about it, seahawks fans have had 5 years of pete, including the last 2 where he got them to consecutive superbowls, and probably the last 3 being the best defense in the league.

if this is what people complain about now, I'm not sure if they'll ever be happy
 
Curran did a great job of writing up what a lot of us have been saying. They burned a TO out of general ineffectiveness shortly after the 2-minute warning. And after the Kearse catch they should have been able to line up and run a simple play. (I say "simple" because being 15 seconds or so late getting organized would have been totally excusable.)

Somehow I'm guessing the Seahawks have had a lot less situational practice relevant to getting off a post-Kearse-catch play than the Patriots have.
 
The final two minutes of the game and everything Pete has done since the Super Bowl is classic 1998 version Pete Carroll. Whenever some say that Pete Carroll got a bumb wrap here and just didn't have the horses because of Bobby Grier, they should be forced to watch the final two minutes of the Super Bowl and all of Pete Carroll's interviews since to see what kind of disaster he was here. Sure the Seahawks fans have only gotten a few weeks of that guy, Pats fans got three years of him.


So due to a Butler interception Pete went from a back to back NFL champ , and the first one to do so since the Patriots to being a crappy coach. This actually makes logical sense to people. For some people unless Pete wins every Superbowl until he retires they will always complain about him.

What more the dude needs to do to prove himself to some people is beyond me.One does not build a team from scratch and maintain success in a tough division which had good coaches through luck.
 
The final two minutes of the game and everything Pete has done since the Super Bowl is classic 1998 version Pete Carroll. Whenever some say that Pete Carroll got a bumb wrap here and just didn't have the horses because of Bobby Grier, they should be forced to watch the final two minutes of the Super Bowl and all of Pete Carroll's interviews since to see what kind of disaster he was here. Sure the Seahawks fans have only gotten a few weeks of that guy, Pats fans got three years of him.

Carroll inherited a New England Patriots team that had just lost a Superbowl, but should have won it. That team was almost completely intact, though losing Curtiss Martin was a hit. Still, Robert Edwards looked to eclipse Martin here, and had it not been for that freak injury, he'd have likely been a potential Hall of Fame guy.

But Carroll took that bunch, who had learned some discipline under Parcells, and with his "Surfer Dude" attitude, let them slide. He mismanaged games that he should have won, and had everything he needed to get that team back to the Superbowl, but crashed it. In my opinion, he was lucky to get that USC job afterward.

Yet, at USC, Carroll again took a laid-back attitude to recruiting and when the NCAA was ready to bring down the hammer on them, he managed to quit the team and look for better pastures, leaving others to clean up the disaster he left the Trojans in.

Now he's ready to lose the Seahawks locker room too, judging from comments by players and whispers in the media. Yeah, it's a tough loss for Seattle, and it's easy to start pointing fingers. But in this case, there's some truth behind those accusations. Players have to trust their coach, and right now, that faith in him is more than a tad bit shaken. He had the talent, but the culture he brought along with him, that baggage of "The Dude Abides" isn't what an NFL team needs, and especially not what these young men need. That team deserves better than Pete Carrol and his clown-car surfer posse.

They need a real coach.
 
So due to a Butler interception Pete went from a back to back NFL champ , and the first one to do so since the Patriots to being a crappy coach. This actually makes logical sense to people. For some people unless Pete wins every Superbowl until he retires they will always complain about him.

What more the dude needs to do to prove himself to some people is beyond me.One does not build a team from scratch and maintain success in a tough division which had good coaches through luck.


Who said that? He has been acting like a crappy coach since the final two minutes of the Super Bowl. That doesn't make him a crappy coach. It means he is currently acting like one.

He has been a great coach in Seattle. He was an awful coach in New England. The pressure of the moment of the final two minutes of the Super Bowl and the aftermath of people questioning his decision on the interception play has forced him to revert back to his 1998 form. That doesn't mean that come September that he doesn't revert back to the head coach of the past two seasons.

I was just pointing out the way he has acted over the period discussed is what we saw back in the late 90s over the entire run of his tenure here. And that people who want to re-write history and say he was the coach who coached the Seahawks over the last two years and just submarined by Bobby Grier needs to look at how he has acted since the final two minutes of the Super Bowl to see how awful he truly was.
 
Meh, if they keep bringing in good players they'll be just fine.
 
They played like crap in the 4th quarter that's why they lost. A TERRIBLE 3 n out by their O and their D gets walked on for 2 TD's. They had a chance to cement the game in the middle of the 4th and did absolutely nothing, the players should be mad at themselves.
 
ok, to be fair about it, seahawks fans have had 5 years of pete, including the last 2 where he got them to consecutive superbowls, and probably the last 3 being the best defense in the league.

if this is what people complain about now, I'm not sure if they'll ever be happy

Yup.

However, for most fans this is not enough.

Let's be clear. If the pass was caught, fans ON THIS BOARD would have been criticizing Belichick and the defense for the results at the end of the fall and the end of the game. That probably would have happened even if the ball was thrown out of bounds and Lynch scored on one of the last two plays.

It's one week after the Super Bowl. It is time to pick apart the losers. As we know=, it's been a lot of years since a Super Bowl loser came back to win the Super Bowl the next year, so perhaps this post-game trauma is fought to get rid of.
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BOTTOM LINE

1) The pass play was a terrible play call, not because it was a pass, but because it was in the middle of the field. Wilson should have had a chance for a clear TD or throwaway. That was an extra play. I suspect that many coaches would have down the same. After all, there was always time for exactly TWO runs at the point the pass play ws called.

2) If a run succeeded on one of the least two plays, we would rightly have been playing Brady's Tyree comment for months. In any case, there would have been lots and lots of criticism for Belichick, for the offense and for the defense who would have not been good enough to win.

So, Carroll a coach who builds the best defense in the NFL and has his team in the Super Bowl two years in a row is not a terrible coach. Of course, the bettors know better than the fans and analysts. I believe that Seattle is the NFC favorite again next year (IMHO they should be co-favorites with GB).
 
They need a real coach.

Not that I actually care, but, if/when Carroll walks, Seahawks fans better hope they get a John Farrell and not a Booby Valentine. :p
 
If Brady had thrown a game losing interception, it would have been blamed on Brady, and how he had blown the game. If Carroll can keep the load off Wilson, then he is doing the kid and the team a great service!
 
Meh, if they keep bringing in good players they'll be just fine.
He may need to if Thomas is out post- surgery, if Sherman has Tommy John surgery and if Chancellor is out for long period of time post surgery....It may make for a shaky 2015 start...
 
Carroll inherited a New England Patriots team that had just lost a Superbowl, but should have won it. That team was almost completely intact, though losing Curtiss Martin was a hit. Still, Robert Edwards looked to eclipse Martin here, and had it not been for that freak injury, he'd have likely been a potential Hall of Fame guy.

But Carroll took that bunch, who had learned some discipline under Parcells, and with his "Surfer Dude" attitude, let them slide. He mismanaged games that he should have won, and had everything he needed to get that team back to the Superbowl, but crashed it. In my opinion, he was lucky to get that USC job afterward.

Yet, at USC, Carroll again took a laid-back attitude to recruiting and when the NCAA was ready to bring down the hammer on them, he managed to quit the team and look for better pastures, leaving others to clean up the disaster he left the Trojans in.

Now he's ready to lose the Seahawks locker room too, judging from comments by players and whispers in the media. Yeah, it's a tough loss for Seattle, and it's easy to start pointing fingers. But in this case, there's some truth behind those accusations. Players have to trust their coach, and right now, that faith in him is more than a tad bit shaken. He had the talent, but the culture he brought along with him, that baggage of "The Dude Abides" isn't what an NFL team needs, and especially not what these young men need. That team deserves better than Pete Carrol and his clown-car surfer posse.

They need a real coach.
I almost used the disagree button Gweddy, that's how much off I think your view is.

Carroll did come to a very talented team, but most of that talent was one deep, when injuries and defections like Curtis Martin occurred that talent wasn't enough. Carroll had a lot of obstacles to go through in his 3 year tenure. He had perhaps the worst 3 year record of draft picks in 25 years. He had a malevolent press corps still sucking on Parcell's teat, waiting to jump on any perceived flaw. He had a west coast demeanor in a NE sports town, AND he had a little bad luck. Think about this, in his last 8-8 year Adam V misses 2 makeable FG's that would have turned that 8-8 record into 10-6 and a playoff berth....and history changes dramatically.

Pete was NEVER a bad coach, just not the right one at that particular time. History has shown that Pete Carroll is not just "not a bad coach", but a very good one. BB will tell you himself that there are a LOT of "right ways" to do it in football. Just because what Carroll does is different in some ways, doesn't mean its wrong. Over his time in Seattle Pete has built a team designed to overcome injuries. His FO has found many unexpected gems, and he and his staff have developed lots of players who kept getting better.

Curran wove and interesting tale, but the fact is that the same coach who OK'd the pass that Butler picked, is the same one who called the TD pass at the end of the half. Curran should know that players might be emotional after a big loss, but they aren't always that fickle. Coaches make a LOT of bad calls over the course of a season, as well as game management mistakes. The game of football is full of mistakes by coaches and players alike. Every knows it. And while you'd like to keep them to a minimum, a good team doesn't jump ship when they occur. Hell, Rex Ryan could be one of the worst game managers in the NFL, and his player supposedly love him.

Over his 5 years in Seattle, the Seahawks have become an elite team. Coming from the defensive side, he's built a defense that has been the best in the league for the past 3 years. He had an offense that was one yard from putting up 31 on the best defense we've had in 8 years.....and he did it doing it his way.....a different way.

Sorry Gweddy, Curran swung and missed IMHO. Seattle won't unfold or collapse. Those players have bought into his system, just like our have bought into ours. Neither is perfect. If we are lucky enough to get through to Superbowl L, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Seahawks as our opponent
 
Who said that? He has been acting like a crappy coach since the final two minutes of the Super Bowl. That doesn't make him a crappy coach. It means he is currently acting like one.

He has been a great coach in Seattle. He was an awful coach in New England. The pressure of the moment of the final two minutes of the Super Bowl and the aftermath of people questioning his decision on the interception play has forced him to revert back to his 1998 form. That doesn't mean that come September that he doesn't revert back to the head coach of the past two seasons.

I was just pointing out the way he has acted over the period discussed is what we saw back in the late 90s over the entire run of his tenure here. And that people who want to re-write history and say he was the coach who coached the Seahawks over the last two years and just submarined by Bobby Grier needs to look at how he has acted since the final two minutes of the Super Bowl to see how awful he truly was.


At the end of 1st Half Patriots allowed a TD in 31 seconds and could have lost us the game so are you making grand declarations about Bill from this sequence. Coaches do not always have perfectly coached games just as players do not have perfectly played games.
Making entire judgements about people from a sequence of play is overdone.
 
Carroll coaches emotion first and disciplined execution second. BB is the other way around.

That's not bad IF you have assistant coaches to install discipline, technique, and judgment. Presumably he's had that on the defensive side, including the new DC who had amazing success as a DB coach. But even there he's kept a very simple scheme that doesn't call for as much above the neck.

The offensive side of the coaching is more questionable yet, as has been much discussed, including in this thread.
 


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