Contracts to deal with

ATippett56 said:

Danny Amendola versus Mr Patriot Troy Brown

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2002716

http://www.patscap.com/2005capinfo.html

Oh yeah, Danny Amendola could not carry Troy Brown's jock strap.

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I am sorry, what the Hell does Troy Brown have to do with my comment about Seymore and Mankins VS Amendola?

Talk about a Strawman

Bruins29 said:

I am sorry, what the Hell does Troy Brown have to do with my comment about Seymore and Mankins VS Amendola?

Talk about a Strawman

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No strawman since you can't see the big picture with the examples of salary cap casualties of Milloy, Brown, Law.

ATippett56 said:

No strawman since you can't see the big picture with the examples of salary cap casualties of Milloy, Brown, Law.

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I can see it I just did not think it was relevant to the particular discussion we were having about 2 other players.

Whatever, I dont care and am done with this. I like many others wouldnt mine seeing DA back at a fair rate to everyone. I think most posters here agree.

You have some agenda. I dont want to be a part of it.

Bruins29 said:

Yes. because I am sure that any poster here (and most are all in agreement on the issue) that would like DA on the roster and would (shudder the thought) want to pay him more than your insulating, unrealistic 1 million per is just someone looking for instant gratification.

Yeah, that is it. And I see now you are going to go though and look at every player the pats ever moved on from and use it for you basis to prove DA just isnt worth it.

You are a clever guy aren't you. Probably a real barrel of laughs our drinking with the guys.

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I find it ridiculous that a wide receiver who had less pass receiving yards per game than Troy Brown during the 2004 NFL Season is not only expendable but is only worth the NFL minimum salary. If it was good enough for Troy Brown during the 2005 NFL Season, it's good enough for Danny Amendola during the 2015 NFL Season.

Oh yeah, Danny Amendola could not carry Troy Brown's jock strap.

ATippett56 said:

Oh yeah, Danny Amendola could not carry Troy Brown's jock strap.

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Who said he could? Regardless, nobody cares dude. You are just repeating yourself over and over at this point. Get over DA and yourself.

Bruins29 said:

I can see it I just did not think it was relevant to the particular discussion we were having about 2 other players.

Whatever, I dont care and am done with this. I like many others wouldnt mine seeing DA back at a fair rate to everyone. I think most posters here agree.

You have some agenda. I dont want to be a part of it.

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You're the one with the agenda. Either you are Danny Amendola's agent or wish to be.

ATippett56 said:

I find it ridiculous that a wide receiver who had less pass receiving yards per game than Troy Brown during the 2004 NFL Season is not only expendable but is only worth the NFL minimum salary. If it was good enough for Troy Brown during the 2005 NFL Season, it's good enough for Danny Amendola during the 2015 NFL Season.

Oh yeah, Danny Amendola could not carry Troy Brown's jock strap.

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This is probably the worst argument made so far this year (I know its early). Amendola should be paid a minimum salary because Troy Brown was worth more than we paid him in 2005. WOW!

Believe it or not, Amendola will offered a contract based on what he is expected to produce in 2015, and that contract will be based on 2015 market conditions, not those of 2005.

ATippett56 said:

You're the one with the agenda. Either you are Danny Amendola's agent or wish to be.

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No I have pretty much echoed what everyone else said which means you think everyone else is an idiot here for not agreeing with you. Like I said, you must be the life of the party when out on the town.

ATippett56 said:

Julian Edelman played for less than a million in calendar year 2013 and Julian Edelman was already a proven punt returner by calendar year 2013.

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And Amendola was among the league leaders in yards from scrimmage before he came to New England, so I don't really see your point here.

mgteich said:

This is probably the worst argument made so far this year (I know its early). Amendola should be paid a minimum salary because Troy Brown was worth more than we paid him in 2005. WOW!

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Yeah, this is getting bizarre.

Brady6 said:

What # do you think Amendola would be on this list?
1. Dez Bryant
2. Demaryius Thomas
3. Randall Cobb
4. Jeremy Maclin
5. Torrey Smith
6. Michael Crabtree
7. Kenny Britt
8. Cecil Shorts
9. Eddie Royal
10. Nate Washington
11. Wes Welker
12. Hakeem Nicks
13. Reggie Wayne
14. Denarius Moore
15. Leonard Hankerson
16. Dwayne Harris
17. Vincent Brown
18. Miles Austin
19. Jerrel Jernigan
20. Brandon Lloyd
21. Brad Smith
22. Santana Moss
23. Jason Avant
24. Marcus Easley
25. Derek Hagan
26. Robert Meachem
27. Greg Salas
28. Dane Sanzenbacher
29. Kevin Ogletree
30. Darrius Heyward-Bey

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7th.

ATippett56 said:

You're the one with the agenda. Either you are Danny Amendola's agent or wish to be.

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Your argument sucks. It may (or may not) be partly because of your posting style, which has a tendency to be brusque and disjointed instead of developed and sequential (NTTAWWT), but it's certainly not because Bruins29 is pushing an agenda.

50-yard-line said:

And Amendola was among the league leaders in yards from scrimmage before he came to New England, so I don't really see your point here.

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Oh really?

http://www.footballdb.com/stats/stats.html?mode=Y&yr=2012&lg=NFL

2012 yards from scrimmage
Welker - 1374
Ridley -1314
Lloyd - 911
Gronkowski - 790
Woodhead - 747
Amendola - 674

ATippett56 said:

let the NFL Management Council do its job..

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Since that same council was way off last year in its projections so I consider other's more optimistic projections more credible this year.

By the end of the month we will all find out the 2015 League Cap number.

ATippett56 said:

Oh really?

http://www.footballdb.com/stats/stats.html?mode=Y&yr=2012&lg=NFL

2012 yards from scrimmage
Welker - 1374
Ridley -1314
Lloyd - 911
Gronkowski - 790
Woodhead - 747
Amendola - 674

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Amendola had over 2300 yards from scrimmage in 2010. Sorry if that bothers you, but the numbers aren't that hard to find.

50-yard-line said:

7th.

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Are we just ignoring production when making our determinations? Eddie Royal had 3 times the catches, 4 times the yards, and 7 times the touchdowns last season. #18 on the list Miles Austin had 47 catches for 568 yards last season and is around the same age. I think you need to look at the list again and be more objective, #7 is way off..

if the Pats cut Amendola, which is entirely possible, I expect he'll sign a 3/9 deal with someone else, very possibly Denver.

50-yard-line said:

Amendola had over 2300 yards from scrimmage in 2010. Sorry if that bothers you, but the numbers aren't that hard to find.

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Yeah but 1594 of them came on kick/punt returns and that was largely due to him returning 50 kicks and 40 punts, he was 23rd in KR average and 12th in PR average that season so it was hardly an emasculate performance.

For the record this is what I mean by posters polarizing the performance of Danny Amendola. The fact of the matter is that 2300 yards is nothing to write home about for a player who returned 90 kicks and had 85 catches.

mgteich said:

This is probably the worst argument made so far this year (I know its early). Amendola should be paid a minimum salary because Troy Brown was worth more than we paid him in 2005. WOW!

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Troy Brown accepted a minimum base salary in 2005. Based on Danny Amendola's substandard performance in 2014, the same principle should apply.

mgteich said:

Believe it or not, Amendola will offered a contract based on what he is expected to produce in 2015, and that contract will be based on 2015 market conditions, not those of 2005.

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What a player is expected to produce and actually produces does not always coincide. Refer to Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson's tenure with the New England Patriots.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnCh01.htm

As for Danny Amendola, yards from scrimmage:
2012 - 674
2013 - 634
2014 - 200

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AmenDa00.htm

The trend is going in the wrong direction.

Brady6 said:

Are we just ignoring production when making our determinations? Eddie Royal had 3 times the catches, 4 times the yards, and 7 times the touchdowns last season. #18 on the list Miles Austin had 47 catches for 568 yards last season and is around the same age. I think you need to look at the list again and be more objective, #7 is way off..

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Not to my eyes.

A receiver can only catch that which is thrown to him. If a healthy Welker had been on the team in 2013, Edelman wouldn't have gotten near 1000 yards. Similarly, if Amendola hadn't gotten hurt, I honestly - HONESTLY - believe that his numbers and Edelman's would have reversed that year (they have the same catch rate, YPC, etc.).

I'm looking at that list as a GM, honestly. There is very little below #6 that I find intriguing. Royal and Austin are two that might come in equal to my eyes to Amendola, though I've never been big on Royal.

I know Amendola can make the clutch play. I know he'll die on the field to win. Depending on the circumstance of my team - what kind of receiver am I looking for - the only ones I put ahead of him on my wish list are 1-6.

Amendola's lack of production has more to do with the emergence of JE, who in my mind has ABSOLUTELY become a pro-bowl receiver, than anything else. Amendola and LaFell are different types of receivers with different roles to play and there is a lot of overlap between Amendola and Edelman. Similar to Manny Sanders' breakout as soon as he got out from under Brown's shadow.

I hope he stays. If JE gets hurt, have DA walk onto the field makes me feel a helluva lot better than anything else we have. I was hoping Boyce would step up, but if he is, there's no indication of it from BB at this point.

I've already agreed that I doubt the Pats will pay him 4.5 for next year - unless they have plans to greatly expand his role. I think Deus's post is spot on.

And again, below Crabtree, there's really no one on that list I'd jump up and down over if I heard he was coming to the Pats.