Schefter: Has Heard Speculation Colts might have deflated the footballs

Ring 6 · Feb 10, 2015

Bobsyouruncle said:
He's not calling him a weasel because he made a negative comment. You're completely downplaying what he said as some generic negative comment. If I say AndyJohnson is a deadbeat dad it's a negative comment. If I say I don't like the posts AndyJohnson makes here it's a negative comment. But one is my opinion, the other is stating something to be true that I don't know to be true.

It's pretty universal that making making negative statements about people as though they are facts is looked down upon much more than making negative opinions. Unless humankind changed significantly in the last few weeks I would say he's on solid ground calling him a weasel for behavior that's fairly universally accepted as weaselish. If you want to create your own standards of what's considered acceptable behavior in society feel free, but don't be surprised that nobody understands why suddenly being a hypocrite, and judging without evidence is considered normal behavior. It's not, and accept in rare cases like yourself it never will be.

Add in that he cheated by the same definition he accuses other's of and it doubles down on why people think he's a douche, or *******, or weasel or whatever word people commonly apply to those that exhibit such behaviors.

I guess we have a different viewpoint of the circumstances. In mine, the Patriots were already convicted in the media, due to leaks of inaccurate information. Rice just commented on the wrong information he received. Happens all the time, happens on this board.
I just don't buy into the idea that Jerry Rice is required to perform an investigation before commenting on something based upon all of the rumors. That puts him in the same category as everyone else.

The real culprit here is the people who leaked the incorrect information, and the NFL for allowing it, and not making a statement to correct it.

Bruins29 · Feb 10, 2015

I have:

1. Cheater
2. Hypocrate
3. Egomanic
4. Dummy.

Weasel? I guess. *Feel free to modify list as it is not in stone

PATS16N0 · Feb 10, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
I guess we have a different viewpoint of the circumstances. In mine, the Patriots were already convicted in the media, due to leaks of inaccurate information. Rice just commented on the wrong information he received. Happens all the time, happens on this board.
I just don't buy into the idea that Jerry Rice is required to perform an investigation before commenting on something based upon all of the rumors. That puts him in the same category as everyone else.

The real culprit here is the people who leaked the incorrect information, and the NFL for allowing it, and not making a statement to correct it.

So Jerry Rice gets a pass for being a thoughtless, slanderous idiot, because he was good at catching passes with stickum on his gloves?

BradyManny · Feb 10, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
I was speaking specifically about Cris Carter and I stand by the fact that he will man up when he is wrong.
Others will do what others do. What do you think the posters on this board that want to lynch people who believe the Patriots are guilty would do if they found evidence that Brady and Belichick were hiding in the bathrooom and deflated the balls?

I think people on the whole have trouble admitting when they are wrong, Pats fan or otherwise.

But I'm already on record: if Brady & Belichick lied about anything, it would drastically alter my view of them. The original act I would admittedly find innocuous, the lying I would find reprehensible. (Having looked at the science of it from day one, I feel rather confident they did not lie, and will be fully exonerated.)

As for Cris Carter, I do think you're giving him too much credit. Even if he owns up after the fact - debatable, and only time will tell - it's meaningless, it's an after-thought. There's no accountability and he will face no repercussions. He already killed them on air during a time when more people will be watching & caring than at any other point going forward. (Throwing the word IF in does not cover talking out of his ass without facts.)

If the Patriots are fully exonerated - and I expect they will be - and/or all the folks like Cris Carter issue mea culpas, only a certain % of the population will even become aware of it. Only a certain % of that population will even believe it. The damage will have been done.

Ring 6 · Feb 10, 2015

PATS16N0 said:
If you can find proof that Tom Brady crawled through an air duct, rappelled down from the ceiling in night vision goggles, and let air out of footballs that the officials had already cleared for play, before throwing a smoke bomb at his feet and disappearing into the locker room, than yes, sure, I'll say the Pats get an asterisk.

Until then, Jerry Rice is a weasel.

Thats not the point.
Rice made his comments based upon believing the media reports. I didn't create a stupid scenario like you did, so you really still haven't answered my question.

If 11 of 12 Patriots balls were 2 psi below and all the colts balls were dead on, would you think the Patriots cheated?

We know this isn't correct. At the time he commented it was not being refuted. I guess I see the standard of a guy like Rice commenting being what is public knowledge and don't consider him a 'weasel' for not conducting an investigation to confirm what is public knowledge, and otherwise acting like just about everyone else and responding as if the story being reported were correct.

shmessy · Feb 10, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
I guess we see it differently. Rice commented about misinformation he was told.
He said what you would say if you believed such evidence against a different team. This board is full of such things. Is everyone who trashes Ray Lewis a weasel?
Look I'm not defending Rice, I actually find his whole role in this topic very funny, but people are going way overboard in catsigating everyone who has an opinion that isn't pro-Patriot. Those that are maligning the Patriots as cheaters are wrong, but the comments here (such as calling Jerry Rice a weasel) are defensive and silly. Just my opinion, which I'm sure people here will explain how I'm not entitled to.

The weasel part was the timing of his TWEET at 3am on a Saturday morning!

The weasel part was also the disingenuous (weasely) wording of his apology as if he 'just now learned after new research that it was illegal'. This was days after he acknowledged that it was "a little illegal" and years after he acknowledged it was completely illegal.

Jerry Rice @JerryRice · Feb 7
I apologize ppl after doing my research about stickum! The NFL banned this in 1981. All players did it! #equalplayingfield

Keep being blind to the obvious.

Ring 6 · Feb 10, 2015

PATS16N0 said:
So Jerry Rice gets a pass for being a thoughtless, slanderous idiot, because he was good at catching passes with stickum on his gloves?

Where did I say anything like that?

But your comments are insightful.

You think that when the media reports that the Patriots deflated footballs to gain a competitive advantage and Jerry Rice says, well then they deserve an asterisk that he is thoughtless and slanderous? Really?

I wonder how your comments on Ray Lewis, Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, or even someone like Ras-I Dowling or Lawrence Maroney would stand up to that scrutiny.

PATS16N0 · Feb 10, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
Thats not the point.
Rice made his comments based upon believing the media reports. I didn't create a stupid scenario like you did, so you really still haven't answered my question.

If 11 of 12 Patriots balls were 2 psi below and all the colts balls were dead on, would you think the Patriots cheated?

We know this isn't correct. At the time he commented it was not being refuted. I guess I see the standard of a guy like Rice commenting being what is public knowledge and don't consider him a 'weasel' for not conducting an investigation to confirm what is public knowledge, and otherwise acting like just about everyone else and responding as if the story being reported were correct.

I didn't believe the media smears from the very beginning, because I'm not a thoughtless moron, and created a thread exposing the "controversy" for exactly what it was at the height of its slander.

Want a link?

I'm not giving Jerry Rice a pass on being an easily manipulated moron, and I'm not giving him a pass on being a hypocrite either. He went full '72 Dolphins, which is weaselish

Ring 6 · Feb 10, 2015

shmessy said:
The weasel part was the timing of his TWEET at 3am on a Saturday morning!

Weak. Why would the time he tweeted something (midnight his time, btw) have anything to do with anything?

\The weasel part was also the disingenuous (weasely) wording of his apology as if he 'just now learned after new research that it was illegal'. This was days after he acknowledged that it was "a little illegal" and years after he acknowledged it was completely illegal.

Jerry Rice @JerryRice · Feb 7
I apologize ppl after doing my research about stickum! The NFL banned this in 1981. All players did it! #equalplayingfield

Keep being blind to the obvious.

So you feel BB is a weasel because he filmed defensive signals (and everyone else was doing it) front he wrong location and when caught he said he didn't know it was illegal?

See you can't do it both ways.
You are judging people by whether you like their opinion, not by the circumstances.

shmessy · Feb 10, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
I am not defending his actions, I actually find them funny.
But to call a guy you know absolutely nothing about a weasel because he made a negative comment about your favorite football team is even funnier to me.

A weasel is someone who on at least two occasions has admitted what he did was illegal, who then castigates someone else for ALLEGEDLY doing something illegal, then subsequently tweets an aoplogy at 3am on a saturday morning claiming that he just found out his own 9previously admitted transgression was illegal due to his 'new research'.

Evidently, this is normal behavior in your world.

Ring 6 · Feb 10, 2015

PATS16N0 said:
I didn't believe the media smears from the very beginning, because I'm not a thoughtless moron, and created a thread exposing the "controversy" for exactly what it was at the height of its slander.

You are a Patriot fan. Do you really think that if this was about the Eagles and the story unfolded the same way you wouldn't have felt the same way as Rice?

Want a link?

I'm not giving Jerry Rice a pass on being an easily manipulated moron, and I'm not giving him a pass on being a hypocrite either. He went full '72 Dolphins, which is weaselish

Easily manipulated? He read the news.

shmessy · Feb 10, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
Maybe Andy Johnson is not considering a few comments (that are consistent with what hundreds of toher people have said) to be the sum total of who Jerry Rice is.
I'm sure you are a much more accomplished person than Jerry Rice, so you are able to look down on him.
Me, I'm not the greatest ever in my profession, so I lack the arrogance that is apparently required to see your viewpoint. There really can be no other explanation.

Highly accomplished people can be weasels.

We've seen Presidents, corporate CEO's, network anchormen, famous musicians, etc. all behave as weasels in the past.

Bizarre that you make professional accomplishment the criteria for whether someone is a weasel or not.

Ring 6 · Feb 10, 2015

shmessy said:
Aweasel is someone who on at least two occasions has admitted what he did was illegal, who then castigates someone else for ALLEGEDLY doing something illegal, then subsequently tweets an aoplogy at 3am on a saturday morning claiming that he just found out his own 9previously admitted transgression was illegal due to his 'new research'.

Evidently, this is normal behavior in your world.

If you cannot be mature enough to leave personal attacks out of this, please do not respond to my posts.
You have every right to whatever opinion you want to have, but it is beyond immature to make comments like your last sentence.
Grow up and maybe we can have a reasonable conversation.

Danger Zone · Feb 10, 2015

Got to say, I wonder at the motivations of the people wanting to scold and self-righteously correct what anyone with the tiniest bit of empathy would see as the product of a very human and natural over-reaction to two solid weeks of non-stop vitriol and character assassination by every major news outlet in the world.

Rice's comments about us being cheaters and our legacy being tainted was heard by millions of viewers.

So someone called him, deservedly or not, a weasel on a forum that maybe a couple hundred people will read.

After everything we've endured as a fan base, this is the good fight you want to fight? Defending our critics?

Honestly, you guys really feel the need scold and chide fellow Patriot fans for using a bit of rhetoric when referring to some of our harshest and most vocal critics?

What are we Vulcans?

Pick your battles, I say. Fight the fights worth fighting.

This ain't one of them.

jan08 · Feb 10, 2015

This thread fits very well in to my theory of the Six Degrees of AndyJohnson, where every thread is no more than six steps from an AJ centred argument/discussion. Well played all

Ring 6 · Feb 10, 2015

shmessy said:
Highly accomplished people can be weasels.

We've seen Presidents, corporate CEO's, network anchormen, famous musicians, etc. all behave as weasels in the past.

Bizarre that you make professional accomplishment the criteria for whether someone is a weasel or not.

Even more bizarre that you make one series of comments about a cheating accusation to be the sum total of Jerry Rice's personality, and value system.

Should we review your comments about Ray Lewis, Ray Rice, Rex Ryan, Adrian Peterson, or better yet, Roger Goodell and see if the same weasel factor exists?

shmessy · Feb 10, 2015

Bobsyouruncle said:
He's not calling him a weasel because he made a negative comment. You're completely downplaying what he said as some generic negative comment. If I say AndyJohnson is a deadbeat dad it's a negative comment. If I say I don't like the posts AndyJohnson makes here it's a negative comment. But one is my opinion, the other is stating something to be true that I don't know to be true.

It's pretty universal that making making negative statements about people as though they are facts is looked down upon much more than making negative opinions. Unless humankind changed significantly in the last few weeks I would say he's on solid ground calling him a weasel for behavior that's fairly universally accepted as weaselish. If you want to create your own standards of what's considered acceptable behavior in society feel free, but don't be surprised that nobody understands why suddenly being a hypocrite, and judging without evidence is considered normal behavior. It's not, and accept in rare cases like yourself it never will be.

Add in that he cheated by the same definition he accuses other's of and it doubles down on why people think he's a douche, or *******, or weasel or whatever word people commonly apply to those that exhibit such behaviors.

And he tweeted his admission at 3am on a Saturday.

And he claimed in that tweet that he did NEW RESEARCH to find out that what he did was illegal.

Andy still somehow believes the argument was about what he said regarding Deflategate, when it has been clearly pointed out to him on many occasions now that the tweet's TIMING and the LIE (about it just dawining on him due to his 'new research') is what makes Jerry Rice a 1st Class Weasel.

I have no idea whether or not the Patriots are innocent or guilty. If someone wants to come down on them based on innuendo at this point, I think it's wrong, but NOT weaselish.

The Rice tweet, however, was weaselish.

Andy does not have the ability to comprehend that difference.

skspikex2 · Feb 10, 2015

Pats just win the superbowl, and we fighting about Chris carter and Jerry rice. Oh lord have mercy and give me some popcorn.

BradyManny · Feb 10, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
If 11 of 12 Patriots balls were 2 psi below and all the colts balls were dead on, would you think the Patriots cheated?

I'd think what PV = nRT told me to. From day one, people have shown how between temperature drop, volume expansion, and even the rubbing could and WOULD yield a measurement of 1-2 PSI lower later.

The laws of physics do not apply only some of the time.

PATS16N0 · Feb 10, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
You are a Patriot fan. Do you really think that if this was about the Eagles and the story unfolded the same way you wouldn't have felt the same way as Rice?

Easily manipulated? He read the news.

No, I wouldn't have felt the same way, because I'm not an idiot. It takes more than Jerome Bettis grasping for water, and a crying Mark Brunnel, to fool me, because I'm about a million times more intelligent than either of them. You should visit an article I posted in the DeflateGate forum about the softness of the American mind. Absurd stories are absurd, regardless of who they're aimed at.

Logic and reason are always a strong shield against God awful moron propaganda.

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