Cris Carter goes after Jerry Rice

sambam94 said:

...and it's perfectly fine for people to call him an egotistical jerk for doing so.

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He can have an ego. Its the hypocrisy that got him in trouble.

primetime said:

No, he's totally right. He is the greatest football player who ever lived. Perfectly fine with him reminding people of that; he earned it.

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Do you imagine TB gloating when he hangs it up? I don't think so... I just find it hypocritical to be alright with one guy being egotistical but if another guy with nearly as many accomplishments does, he's a jerk.

As for greatest football player ever, I find that a huge insult to everybody whose not a WR/RB/QB. Not taking anything away from Rice, but greatest WR isn't enough, he needs to be considered the best football player period? GFY.

Randy Moss > Jerry Rice

If the Patriots drafted Randy and he had Brady his entire career, Moss would have shattered everything by leaps, bounds, and crazy one handed circus catches.

Jackson 2 said:

Dink on dink crime.

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this x10

PATS16N0 said:

Randy Moss > Jerry Rice

If the Patriots drafted Randy and he had Brady his entire career, Moss would have shattered everything by leaps, bounds, and crazy one handed circus catches.

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Sorry, but no.

Moss was one-of-a-kind gifted, but lazy. He spoiled Tom and then on biggest stage (plus other times) didn't fight for balls or give 100% on his routes.

It's not a surprise to me that he won a sb and had greatest 4q comeback ever in sb throwing short to the OPEN MAN rather than going for broke on a moss type heave.

PATS16N0 said:

Randy Moss > Jerry Rice

If the Patriots drafted Randy and he had Brady his entire career, Moss would have shattered everything by leaps, bounds, and crazy one handed circus catches.

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That's generally my thought as well. The only thing that Rice has over Moss is the length of his career... I don't see people seriously arguing that Brett Favre is a better QB than Montana, Elway, Brady, etc. Moss terrified the league for a stretch of 10+ years like no WR had ever done before and it really wasn't close. I've even heard people use Rice's work ethic as an excuse, as if Moss didn't have an unbelievable work ethic himself (he did). To me it's 1 and 1a with Rice and Moss. Nothing wrong with that.

Gumby said:

Sorry, but no.

Moss was one-of-a-kind gifted, but lazy. He spoiled Tom and then on biggest stage (plus other times) didn't fight for balls or give 100% on his routes.

It's not a surprise to me that he won a sb and had greatest 4q comeback ever in sb throwing short to the OPEN MAN rather than going for broke on a moss type heave.

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You clearly didn't re-watch Superbowl 42. Moss was consistently getting open, Brady never had the time to find him though due to the horrible breakdown of the OL. Of course, Moss was the one who caught what could have been the game-winning TD. I also seem to remember Brady JUST missing Moss on a Fly route at the end of the game. Another foot or two of air on that ball and Moss would have hauled that in and that game has a completely different ending. The whole "he gives up on plays" is total garbage. As is the "he doesn't fight for balls". It couldn't be further from the truth. When the ball is up for grabs, Moss is almost guaranteed to come down with it. Only towards the end of his career, against the likes of guys like Revis, did he ever let a ball (thrown up for grabs into double or triple coverage) get picked off.

Seriously, GTFOH

Seriously, if you told me I could pick 1 receiver in the middle of his prime to bring back and have on my team for a good 4 year stretch...I wouldn't hesitate to pick Randy Moss.

If you think about it, if Moss had TB throwing him the ball his whole career.......

I'll always default to JR when talking about the GOAT Football player. Granted this stickygate thing isnt helping. Brown, Taylor are other guys I would consider. JR also had Montana and Young throwing him the ball.

I will say Moss was easily the most physical dominating player who ever played the game. I can see the argument Moss was "better" though. He did have a good work ethic but kinda a crappy attitude.

Seriously who died and made cris carter the moral watchdog of the nfl.. Did he forget that for many years he was a raging alcoholic and a junkie. Who the hell does this guy think he is. So jerry rice put stickum on his gloves so cris carter calls him a cheater.. Well cris what the hell were you when you were doing blow and ecstasy and boozing it up everyday. Ones a cheater ones a raging alcoholic.. You really showed him cris. How bout you just focus on yourself and stop being so quick to label people.

Moss was one of those players that just took your breath away. He was so gifted, unnaturally gifted. The only one football player I could compare him to that I've watched was Barry Sanders. Before you bring up all of Sanders plays for losses look at his incredible carries he turned out of nothing behind a somewhat decent oline.

Those two players are the ones you had to second guess what you just watched. Quite a few "no f'n way moments."

Imagine Moss if he had Brady his whole career like Rice had Montana/Young? Combined with Rice's insane workout ethic. Moss had a lot of growing up to do from Minnesota and Oakland. He really did seem to turn the corner when he got here and for whatever reason reverted to old Randy. I'm sure it's something he might or does regret. Still, best season ever for a WR, too bad 08 happened. Think he had another shot at that ring. Still a first ballot hall of famer.

Jerry "The Moral Compass" Rice. What a big baby this guy is. Stick to catching footballs you're a terrible human being.

New England Pride said:

Jerry "The Moral Compass" Rice. What a big baby this guy is. Stick to catching footballs you're a terrible human being.

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He cant even do that anymore. Let him shoot off his mouth. The larger the circus he creates with his buddy Cris the more clowns will be exposed.

I love Randy Moss, he's probably my favorite football player of all time. And it's not like Moss had no one throwing to him - aside from Moon and Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper was a rising star who was in the discussing as one of the best in the league until he tore every ligament in his knee and had recovery totally mismanaged.

But Moss was no Jerry Rice. The only people who would think Moss was better than Rice had to have been born after 1990, and only got to see aging (if still somehow really good) Rice. Rice is the greatest football player who ever played.

Chris Carter starts every sentence with "If..." How convenient for him.

primetime said:

I love Randy Moss, he's probably my favorite football player of all time. And it's not like Moss had no one throwing to him - aside from Moon and Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper was a rising star who was in the discussing as one of the best in the league until he tore every ligament in his knee and had recovery totally mismanaged.

But Moss was no Jerry Rice. The only people who would think Moss was better than Rice had to have been born after 1990, and only got to see aging (if still somehow really good) Rice. Rice is the greatest football player who ever played.

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Oh, my God, stop.

Moon had already left Minnesota when Moss was drafted. Moss got two years of Cunningham at the end of his career. And Culpepper's numbers disappeared the second Moss went to Oakland.

Comparing Moss' QBs to prime Montana and Young is just ridiculous.

Moss took the **** he was given and made caviar.

In any business, people will break rules if they perceive the risk/reward analysis to be in their favor. Sports are no different just because kids play them and we like to instill in them the illusion that life is fair and played by the rules. We have to get beyond this juvenile "cheating" nonsense. If someone broke a rule, punish them accordingly, but spare me the morality play, please.

primetime said:

But Moss was no Jerry Rice. .

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Moss was certainly more physically gifted and explosive than Rice

Moss is never going to get a fair shake from anyone because of his demeanor which was a turnoff to most casual NFL fans - and some of it was not deserving. He belongs in the convo with Rice, Brown, Taylor, Brady etc...

Cris carter better hope nobody drags any sort of skeleton out of his closet with the way hes acting.