Schefter: Has Heard Speculation Colts might have deflated the footballs

Wax Frog said:

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Gracias amigo

I'm not sure if it's the same for you guys but the coverage of Tampergate has significantly dropped off here. Where's the furore?

ausbacker said:

I'm not sure if it's the same for you guys but the coverage of Tampergate has significantly dropped off here. Where's the furore?

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The object was to derail the Pats from winning the super bowl, and since that didn't work...

Ivan said:

Jd, you are really minimizing the irresponsibility of both the media and the league. Bob Kraft didn't come out to demand an apology over some innocent investigation, he came out swinging because the team, coach, and GOAT QB were seriously maligned and deliberately so. You are acting like they were just doing their jobs and sticking to facts when in truth it was one of the worst smear jobsI have ever seen. The patriots were tried and convicted in the court of public opinion because of leaked rumours and innuendo and in truth no exoneration or apology will ever undo the damage. This was a public lynching and the league and media were responsible.

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Now if the judge, jury, and Omissecutioner Goodell hammers the Pats, even in the absence of undeniable proof, then that will prove the Pats committed a great infraction, because if Spygate has taught us nothing else, it is that the severity of the punishment confirms the seriousness of the offense.

Deus Irae said:

There's a response involving slang and a 2nd person personal pronoun that would be appropriate here, but Ian prefers that such things not be posted here, so I'll leave it at that.

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What are you talking about?

Ian allows "Luv ya".

AndyJohnson said:

I really have no problem with what Carter says here.
He went way out of his way to explain that any tainting is if the investigation proves they deflated the ball.
And I agree. If the Patriots deflated the footballs, that does affect their legacy (which is what Carter said).
I don't agree with his claim that we don't know other people bent the rules, but I understand the point he is making.
I didn't here any condemnation or assumption of guilt.
If the investigation showed the Patriots tampered, would you agree with Carter that it affect their legacy?
I'm pretty sure if the investigation proves they did not, he will clearly say that removes any doubt that surfaced when it was an accusation.

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I wouldn't agree because I really don't care. They should deflate the balls.

It's so insignificant it's nonsense. I don't care about Jerry Rice and stick'em and Lester Hayes either. Again, insignificant.

Nor about stolen signals.

About the only time I'd care about cheating is if a team is abusing the salary cap. That's an unfair advantage. All the rest of it? Nonsense.

And Carter is a liar right there when he says he doesn't know.

Schmucks who said the Patriots were the only ones caught, as if that's the standard, are liars as well.

Getting caught is only relevant when it comes to punishment. When a bunch of people admit to doing the things someone else was caught doing, that's significant. It's totally irrelevant that Jimmy Johnson and Howard Mudd weren't caught filming, irrelevant that Jerry Rice wasn't caught with stick'em. These people admitted doing it. Tom Coughlin and Bill Parcells admitted using wind tunnels for opponent kicks at Giants Stadium.

Again, I only care about the violation of the salary cap. I have a very hard time figuring out any other kind of concerning cheating in the NFL, other than perhaps figuring out the signals to the QBs helmet.

upstater1 said:

Again, I only care about the violation of the salary cap. .

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I agree with that. I will also add that I think any type of bounty is the worst offense because you are possible destroying someones livelihood or health - worse than "cheating"

Regardless though of what you consider an advantage, the public perception is all that matters and if everything is evened out with it being shown that ALL teams in some way looked for an edge it can only help defend the pats in the end - right or wrong, innocent or guilty.

flasox27 said:

What surprises me most about this thread is how defensive some posters have become about the indefensible witch hunt the Goodell's NFL and his mediots have created inconjuction with the colts hierarchy and yet worry that the crap may backfire on the colts if they are subjected to a miniscule amount of the same scrutiny. What is even more unbelievable. is that these posters claim to be Pats fans.

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Where do you get your tin foil hats? They seem to be working extremely well.

JJDChE said:

Where do you get your tin foil hats? They seem to be working extremely well.

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Who are you addressing? "Hats" implies multiple people.

shmessy said:

But JJDChe and Andy says it's ok because he used the word "if".

It's called Innuendo. Evidently it is ok when media personalities employ it on national television. It is only wrong when employed on a fan website.

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It's poor form, but he didn't make any accusations, which was my point about using 'if'. There are a lot claims that the Pats are being accused of things but really that hasn't been the case. They're victims of a lot of baseless speculation, sure, but few that Ive heard have actually accused them of anything.

Bruins29 said:

Who are you addressing? "Hats" implies multiple people.

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Multiple hats, not multiple people.

If true I am driving to Doyel's house and punching him in the face.

Deus Irae said:

Deflategate threads aren't going into the deflategate forums anymore?

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It's not "Deflategate" any more.

Unless some stunning new revelation comes out, there is no reason not to believe everything that Robert Kraft, Bill Belichick and Tom Brady say. The story now is Hatergate. Where did the campaign against the Pats come from and what can be done about its perpetrators in the League and the media?

Time to call out people like this.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/bil...e-tom-brady-super-bowl-press-conference-blame

Bruins29 said:

Who are you addressing? "Hats" implies multiple people.[/QUOT

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JJDChE said:

Where do you get your tin foil hats? They seem to be working extremely well.

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Too bad the truth hurts. You might want to stop drinking and save the few brain cells you have left.

Mike the Brit said:

It's not "Deflategate" any more.

Unless some stunning new revelation comes out, there is no reason not to believe everything that Robert Kraft, Bill Belichick and Tom Brady say. The story now is Hatergate. Where did the campaign against the Pats come from and what can be done about its perpetrators in the League and the media?

Time to call out people like this.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/bill-belichick-deflategate-tom-brady-super-bowl-press-conference-blame

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That guy is a piker (your link is from Jan 23rd and he has walked that back since) compared to Bettis who as of YESTERDAY was still indicting Brady:

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...s-super-bowl-play-call-jerome-bettis-comments

"...."No, it's not over, it's not over for anyone," Bettis said when asked if he felt DeflateGate would just blow over on the Rich Eisen Show.
Bettis, no stranger to handling footballs, announced he was certain Patriots QB Tom Brady was aware of the balls being deflated, as Brady "knew what kind of ball he liked." In fact, Bettis feels the Patriots should face punishment regardless of whether or not a culprit is found.
Interestingly, Bettis cited the current Atlanta Falcons controversy as a basis for ramifications. Bettis stated the addition of artificial noise, such as the fake crowd sounds the Falcons pumped in through the Georgia Dome sound system, serves as a definite competitive advantage. Since deflated footballs also serve as a competitive advantage, Bettis feels punishment handed down to the Patriots should be consistent with any sort of ramifications the Falcons receive....."

If the Colts stuck a needle in a ball to check the pressure of said ball, doesn't air escape?? I have not inflated a football, basketball or volley ball in a while, but if memory serves me..

Or is that too simple of an answer???

Absolutely, Shmessy.

It's getting to be the classic witch hunt:

SMH

AndyJohnson said:

I really have no problem with what Carter says here.
He went way out of his way to explain that any tainting is if the investigation proves they deflated the ball.
And I agree. If the Patriots deflated the footballs, that does affect their legacy (which is what Carter said).
I don't agree with his claim that we don't know other people bent the rules, but I understand the point he is making.
I didn't here any condemnation or assumption of guilt.
If the investigation showed the Patriots tampered, would you agree with Carter that it affect their legacy?
I'm pretty sure if the investigation proves they did not, he will clearly say that removes any doubt that surfaced when it was an accusation.

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I have a HUGE problem with one thing he said here. He said that he has caught a lot of balls and he says from his experience that catching a ball with 2 PSI less in the ball makes a huge difference. What complete and utter BS.

So he is telling us that when he caught a ball and if it was 2 PSI under the regulation, not only would he have known that it was 2 PSI under but he would have a much better game because of it. And he positioned himself as an authority on this BS which contradicted everything ESPN's own Sports Science stated that 2 PSI would have a nominal difference to how the ball felt and its performance.

Could deflated footballs help a little in bad weather? Possibly. Could they make a huge difference? No way in hell and the science backs that up.

Carter did what most of the ESPN talking heads have done with the entire Deflategate issue. He turned hyperbole into facts. And they use their "authority" as former NFL players to add weight to their BS. It is nothing more than yellow journalism.

fnordcircle said:

You're confusing 'bias' with the real issues - lazy reporting and the 24 hour news cycle.

I highly doubt that there's any bias here on the part of the media. Their audience, however, is highly biased and "Patriots cheated" is an instant media bonanza. "Browns actually cheated" gets a yawn or a smirk.

To suggest that there's a cabal of media types who have it out for the Patriots is silly. The storyline is 'successful team that you hate gets accused of cheating' is simply an easy one to sell for a big return.

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What you're describing is bias against the Patriots, just for a different reason, because they win. I lean more toward the thinking that they're biased because they dislike Belichick so much.

Bella*chick said:

And here's the thing…are they allowed to do that? No one seems to be saying anything about whether they were allowed to check the balls even if they just innocently believed there was a problem. Shouldn't they HAVE to take it to the referee? Is that what they did? Does anyone want to shed some actual light on this because I can't believe that would even be allowed. What a joke.

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We'll find out. If the Colts measured the Patriots ball, the Pats have a right to be pissed.