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So why did Denver get thumped so bad in 2013?


Many have sobered up from the "Superbowl buzz" is gone the woody has gone flaccid, and we have entered the alternate universe of Pats Fans.Com... "Seattle d backfield was playing with injuries".. gotta do better than that.

It's gonna be a long offseason..

The reason we won this game was BB & crew preparing this team for every eventuality and making sure they kept their focus. Coupled with the greatest QB of all time engineering two last quarter drives where he went 13/15 and two TD's all contributed to this win.

If the Seahawks had injuries they should have built a roster with sufficient depth..
 
Not to make excuses for 2014 Seattle, but the entire secondary was hurt this year. The ticker on NFL network is just surgery announcements for Seattle players.

Shermans mouth was working fine.

Injuries are excuses. Nobody cares that Mankins and Gronk each played on 1 leg in SB46. Brady was hurt in SB42. You didn't hear Belichick going "Tommy John" after getting beat.
 
Let's clear the obvious out of the way:

Tom Brady > Peyton Manning, and it isn't even close.

Bill Belichick and his staff > John Fox and his staff, and it isn't even close.

With the obvious out of the way, why did such a talented group of receivers and offensive weapons fail so spectacularly, and fall so limp, on the greatest stage of them all, while the Patriots v Seahawks played itself out like a true heavyweight fight, now being praised by many as the greatest Superbowl of all time?

Offensive line:

Manning apologists were quick to throw the offensive line under the bus, and blame everything on them, but Brady didn't have a ton of time either. Chris Collinsworth mentioned that, during Seattle practices, a whistle was being blown 2.5 seconds after the snap, because that's all the time they would have before Tom got rid of the ball. Peyton's release is basically the same, yet the game didn't play out the same for both quarterbacks.

Two thoughts on this after watching a little of the Denver v Seattle Superbowl yesterday:

1. Tom's pocket awareness is really incredible, and he's so good at sensing the rush coming from his sides, stepping up into the pocket, and firing a laser down the field for a completion.

2. Peyton Manning is a pocket sloth and doesn't do much in the way of footing and pocket adjustments. He panics and does stupid stuff, or gets swallowed by edge rushers that Tom would have avoided by stepping up and rocketing the ball downfield.

3. Peyton Manning's deer-in-headlights look against quality postseason defenses just really cannot be understated, as much as his worshippers refuse to acknowledge its existence. Remember back in high school when you saw a kid who doesn't like to fight, get in one? That's what Peyton looks like in these situations.

Conclusion: Blaming Denver's offensive line, and pretending New England's was worlds better, is laughable. The offensive lines looked to me like they played basically the same. The difference was the quarterbacks.

Receivers:

Denver's receivers looked like they did not want to get hit. This isn't the first time its been said. The entire world said the same thing about the game. In the words of Steven A Smith, "Kam Chancellor and those boys put a hat on 'em."

Is it fair or unfair to blame Peyton Manning's sulking gomer pile routine on this? At first glance, it might seem unfair to blame Peyton Manning for everything, but this has been the story of his receivers going back to Indianapolis. Why do Peyton Manning's receivers never play like they would run through a brick wall for him, while Patriot receivers always play like they would for Psycho Tom? Is it fair to say each quarterback brings a certain level of intensity to their team that inspires a certain culture and toughness?

Patriot receivers looked passionate about winning won for Tom, just like they were passionate about shutting up Tom's critics after week #4.

Peyton's receivers looked like they could care less, and cashed out after the first few big hits, and weren't interested in braving the fire for a quarterback who was pouting in the 1st quarter.

Conclusion: Peyton Manning is not a leader, and this had a ripple effect across the entire team. The Denver defense, I thought, over achieved in that game, but with no faith in the soul-sucking Manning face mounting any historic comeback, which is the opposite mentality seen on the Patriots sideline, they gave up in the 2nd half. The entire Denver team was ready to go home shortly thereafter.

So with my psychoanalysis on Peyton Manning teams out of the way, which I think is absolutely fair, following a clear trend going back to Indianapolis, and amplified even further in Denver with a bunch of young rookies left to follow the lead of a stat-compiler, regular season glory hound utterly lacking in championship spirit, I hope the X's and O guys can come in to provide further explanation.

Sorry but the notion Manning isn't a leader is absolutely ridiculous. You do not sustain the level of success he has had without being able to lead. Those guys absolutely play for him and you can see that clearly.

They were simply out coached on many levels in the Super Bowl. I work with someone very close to that organisation who said just that. The game plan was off from the outset. They went in with the wrong approach and wrong mentality and paid for it. They got off to a very bad start with the safety and that caused some heads to drop and, quite frankly, the Seahawks are very intimidating to a lot of teams, not just the Broncos. It happens.
 
1. Our D is better 2. Belichick is better than fox. 3. Seattle dropped off defensively from last year.
 
Sorry but the notion Manning isn't a leader is absolutely ridiculous. You do not sustain the level of success he has had without being able to lead. Those guys absolutely play for him and you can see that clearly.

They were simply out coached on many levels in the Super Bowl. I work with someone very close to that organisation who said just that. The game plan was off from the outset. They went in with the wrong approach and wrong mentality and paid for it. They got off to a very bad start with the safety and that caused some heads to drop and, quite frankly, the Seahawks are very intimidating to a lot of teams, not just the Broncos. It happens.

All three of the first sentences of your post are meant to sound truthful, and like one backs up and validates the other, and yet none of them do. It's just ESPN speak.

Peyton Manning has never demonstrated that when it matters. He's attacked his own players and thrown them under the bus in front of the press while making excuses for himself.
 
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just to put it in perspective. this is the same broncos team that got pushed around by the COLTS at home. the same COLTS that the patriots had their way with by 38 points. the team is soft, manning is soft.

the patriots receivers werent afraid to get hit. they seemed to revel in it and fought back. the Broncos receivers wilted and were afraid.

Manning plays scared in the playoffs and when he gets down. gives up...brady has brass balls and will fight until the final snap.

one player is tied for most superbowl wins, superbowl mvps and has the most playoff victories in the NFL

the other has the most one-and-dones in the playoffs

I think broncos fans are finally realising what they get with manning. Amazing regular season records followed by post-season dissapointment
 
All three of the first sentences of your post are meant to sound truthful, and like one backs up and validates the other, and yet none of them do. It's just ESPN speak.

Peyton Manning has never demonstrated that when it matters. He's attacked his own players and thrown them under the bus in front of the press while making excuses for himself.

I'm not saying he's the best there has ever been but he's a great leader. I've captained a few teams in my times but I'll admit I had the odd crumble under pressure and I've snapped before. You see it in all sports.

Sorry but You're an idiot if you suggest otherwise and an embarrassing homer towards Brady.
 
Sorry but the notion Manning isn't a leader is absolutely ridiculous. You do not sustain the level of success he has had without being able to lead. Those guys absolutely play for him and you can see that clearly.

They were simply out coached on many levels in the Super Bowl. I work with someone very close to that organisation who said just that. The game plan was off from the outset. They went in with the wrong approach and wrong mentality and paid for it. They got off to a very bad start with the safety and that caused some heads to drop and, quite frankly, the Seahawks are very intimidating to a lot of teams, not just the Broncos. It happens.
Disagree strongly. There is a reason Manning has 9 (NINE) one and dones in the playoffs and it isn't because of coaching or because he didn't have a decent team around him. Brady took Reche ****ing Caldwell to the AFC championship game.
 
The Patriots game planned for Seattle, Manning ran Manning's offense.
The Patriot D is much better.
If they replayed the game 100 times Denver would not get blown out 100 times. In football circumstances dictate other circumstances, and sometimes cause a weird result.
 
Sorry but the notion Manning isn't a leader is absolutely ridiculous. You do not sustain the level of success he has had without being able to lead. Those guys absolutely play for him and you can see that clearly.

They were simply out coached on many levels in the Super Bowl. I work with someone very close to that organisation who said just that. The game plan was off from the outset. They went in with the wrong approach and wrong mentality and paid for it. They got off to a very bad start with the safety and that caused some heads to drop and, quite frankly, the Seahawks are very intimidating to a lot of teams, not just the Broncos. It happens.

Yeah, `it happens,` basically every single year he's in the playoffs.
 
I'm not saying he's the best there has ever been but he's a great leader. I've captained a few teams in my times but I'll admit I had the odd crumble under pressure and I've snapped before. You see it in all sports.

Sorry but You're an idiot if you suggest otherwise and an embarrassing homer towards Brady.
You're definitely wrong on this one buddy.

McKee then shared stories from former Patriots and Broncos long snapper Lonie Paxton.

“From everything Lonie used to tell me, Tom was just one of the guys, basically,” McKee said. “Manning has like, no friends on the team. All the guys that Manning pals around with are either — like John Lynch is retired, or Brandon Stokley is retired — older guys or people who are out of it, or the 20 to 30 people he ships in for every home game. … He just doesn’t connect with anybody on the team, so the question is, what kind of ego do you have to have when you’ve got everything, you’re not capable of winning really like you should anymore, but you continue to still put yourself out there? I’m sure you love money, I’m sure you love the attention, but you must not love having friends on the team, because he has none.”

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/01/...ed-test-of-courage-has-no-friends-on-broncos/
 
You're clutching. There are people that sing my praises and there are people that slag me off not to my face. He's one of those guys.

You are never 100% perfect.

Again, if you think Manning isn't a leader and if you think guys don't play for him, you're an idiot.
Then why the nine one and does? Bad luck?
 
Then why the nine one and does? Bad luck?

That's doesn't make you a terrible leader. There are QBs that wouldn't mind those nine playoff losses, three Super Bowl appearances and one win.

I hail a Manning loss as much as the next guy and I would take other QBs over him in the playoffs definitely...but to say he's a bad leader is ridiculous.

I'm not proclaiming the guy is the best leader there is by a long way but I'm sorry, you don't get to where you are being a bad leader.
 
You're clutching. There are people that sing my praises and there are people that slag me off not to my face. He's one of those guys.

You are never 100% perfect.

Again, if you think Manning isn't a leader and if you think guys don't play for him, you're an idiot.

rofl

Your posts are cringe worthy.
 
What kind of a great leader blames his teammates for a loss, and has to ask his teammates to "act out" a predetermined celebration for him when he breaks a record? I mean really.

You're just demanding everyone accept him as some great leader with worthless platitudes and no substance. He doesn't do anything to inspire anyone but sit by himself sulking, seemingly completely detached from the rest of his team.
 
What kind of a great leader blames his teammates for a loss, and has to ask his teammates to "act out" a predetermined celebration for him when he breaks a record? I mean really.
This really epitomizes Manning's character, or should I say lack of character. What he did was absolutely disgusting.

Who would want to follow him? I wouldn't. So fake.
 
Excuse me Jangles but you stated that their injuries played a role in the outcome of the game. Did you watch the game? All three played, all three performed. What exactly is your point? That they played through pain? Point conceded. What was the role that these injuries had in the outcome of the game?

All three were invisible in the 4th quarter when Brady went 13-15 for two touchdowns. Everybody wants to blame Carroll and Wilson for the interception from the one. Who the hell put them down four with under a minute to play? The vaunted Seattle defense, that's who. My God, Chancellor, Sherman and Thomas couldn't stop Julian Edelman and Danny Amendola.

Legion of Boom became Legion of Bust.

I'm okay with saying their injuries didn't cause them to suck. They just got outplayed.
 
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You're clutching. There are people that sing my praises and there are people that slag me off not to my face. He's one of those guys.

You are never 100% perfect.

Again, if you think Manning isn't a leader and if you think guys don't play for him, you're an idiot.
He's going by the word of Lonie Paxton who played with both Brady and Manning. His word is much more credible than yours.

He also has the most one and dones in NFL History for a quarterback.

Don't be dense.
 


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