Kids and Deflategate

So here's the deal. Deflategate has seeped through the minds of all in America....old, middle aged and KIDS! I live in NJ. My daughter (13) and son (11) wore their Pats jerseys to school after the SB and obviously a lot of fellow kids called Pats "cheats" and they beat the Colts using deflated balls. Now I have given my kids comebacks to potential cheating accusations but you know kids - they deal with one liners. I told them that NFL has not come out yet with any findings, other teams have done worse, etc. But they say the kids just say "Patriots cheated. It's all over the news". Took my son to a birthday party and he wore his new Edelman jersey and he told me most other kids were saying Pats cheated to win the Super Bowl. He did give his points but you know the accusation "you are cheats" sticks.

So my question is how to handle it. I think other kids saying "your team are cheats" is borderline bullying - even if it's true. Ruins the moment for kids. I don't want to confront the other kids saying it but how to address this issue? It's getting too much now and I fed up of giving my kids long lectures on how to defend themselves on baseless accusation.

Any help/advice would be appreciated. Also....I curse the Colts forever!

Can't say I'm qualified to give advice on raising your kids, but I'd look at it as an opportunity to teach them you can't control what other people say and think. There are going to be hard times when you have to go with your gut and hang through adversity.

I think Brady will be perfect for one of those Beats headphones commercials next season.

My kids just say "where's the proof...oh that's right, there is none" when other kids say the Pats cheated.

This topic makes me sad.

patman12 said:

My kids just say "where's the proof...oh that's right, there is none" when other kids say the Pats cheated.

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Good one.

This happened to my son today too. I told him to tell the (much older) kid that I said he can't bounce on our trampoline if he is going to insult our team and by extension us without proof. I'm not sure if it worked but my son didn't have and further complaints, so who knows.

Calhoun44 said:

This topic makes me sad.

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It is sad. Instead of enjoying the moment - kids have to think of ways to defend cheating accusations. It's everywhere. Even parents saying "Hey, your Pats cheated. One set of balls are deflated and the other were fine". I go off big time on them telling them the science of the matter and mainly it is all based on an ESPn report - nothing official has come out. But it all falls on deaf ears. They look at Pats as model
Of a cheating organization. Sucks so bad when the opposite is true. This bogus Deflategate has caused irreparable damage in my opinion. Anyways - hoping the Wells report comes in our favor and I do feel it will help a little when arguments arise.

I think that kids who say this should be kicked in the face. After enough kids get kicked in the face they wont want to do it anymore since they wont want a kick in the face.

Gotta teach kids right and wrong.

I have good ideas.

But the parents act like kids on the playground

Just tell them to say "if the team you root for was any good people would say they cheat too."

Do they have smartphones? Computer access? Ipads? Tablets? Any time someone mentions it, just tell them to show this:

NENGFAN said:

So here's the deal. Deflategate has seeped through the minds of all in America....old, middle aged and KIDS! I live in NJ. My daughter (13) and son (11) wore their Pats jerseys to school after the SB and obviously a lot of fellow kids called Pats "cheats" and they beat the Colts using deflated balls. Now I have given my kids comebacks to potential cheating accusations but you know kids - they deal with one liners. I told them that NFL has not come out yet with any findings, other teams have done worse, etc. But they say the kids just say "Patriots cheated. It's all over the news". Took my son to a birthday party and he wore his new Edelman jersey and he told me most other kids were saying Pats cheated to win the Super Bowl. He did give his points but you know the accusation "you are cheats" sticks.

So my question is how to handle it. I think other kids saying "your team are cheats" is borderline bullying - even if it's true. Ruins the moment for kids. I don't want to confront the other kids saying it but how to address this issue? It's getting too much now and I fed up of giving my kids long lectures on how to defend themselves on baseless accusation.

Any help/advice would be appreciated. Also....I curse the Colts forever!

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They are kids. What would you tell them to say if someone picked on their haircut, called them gay, made fun of their parents, call them names, etc.
Its not the end of the world, and I certainly wouldn't call it anything approaching bullying.
If your kids believe the Pats did nothing wrong, have them say that and that it is being investigated and the real truth will come out.

I'd move out of NJ....

This is a good time to teach your kids not to wear sports jerseys lest they do so as adults.

To expand on "they hate us cause they ain't us", maybe some quick line about "have you ever seen a hater that wasn't also a loser?".

Do people actually have conversations with football fans from other regions....never mind kids with a walnut brain?

I mean no offense to anyone here but I find most of the hardcore fans for other teams, who love to voice an opinion on all that they think is holy are truly morons.

"have you ever seen a hater that wasn't also a loser?"

Well said.

NENGFAN, This is going to turn out to be a GREAT learning experience for your kids.

What they will learn, what you should be teaching your kids, and what the parents of those other kids should be teaching theirs is ...

1) Don't spread gossip &/or rumors.

2) Listen to experts, not to amateurs.

3) Don't jump to conclusions before you have all the facts.

4) If you DO spread rumors, how are you going to feel when those rumors turn out to be false

5) It is unkind & unjust to spread rumors, and if you keep doing it, I'm going to take a belt to your backside.

6) OFTEN, the smartest thing to do is to intentionally, willfully NOT come to a conclusion, because you know that all the info is not yet available. It is MUCH smarter to say "I don't have enough information to draw a conclusion yet" than it is to jump to the wrong conclusion.

All of the above is true, regardless of how the report from the NFL turns out.
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Now, here is how it is GOING TO turn out, because it has to:

1. If they have any integrity, the NFL will publish the FACT that nobody touched those balls. It is 100% provable. (See below.)

2. Someone should take a belt to the backsides of all those clueless, ignorant reporters, talking heads & ex-NFL football players who assert - SOLELY THRU THEIR OWN IGNORANCE - that Brady & Belichick are cheaters & liars.. NOT ONE of them has the slightest clue what they are talking about, and the only reason that they are writing it is because other clueless morons are saying it.

3. So, tell your kids to tell their friends, "why don't we wait to see what the investigation concludes, instead of jumping to baseless conclusions."

4. The most important lesson: "The POPULAR answer is not necessarily the CORRECT answer."

5. It's your option (I'd recommend against it) to tell them that the vasty majority of the population are scientific & technical morons.

They will be proven right & wise beyond their years.

Good luck,

Tom
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In the meanwhile, print out the section below & have them take it to a physics teacher at their (or a local) high school. Ask the teacher if everything printed here is exactly correct. Ask the teacher, "Doesn't this mean that, if the balls were found to be about 2 psi low (11 psi vs 13 psi), this shows that the temperature alone was responsible for 1.5 psi drop & Tom Brady was responsible for the other 0.5 psi drop (because he likes 12.5 psi instead of 13.0 psi)?"

1) PV = nRT => P/T = nR/V
2) For nR/V = constant, P1/T1 = P2/T2 => P2 = P1 * (T2/T1)
3) For P1 = 12.5 psi, T1 = 75°F, T2 = 50°F
(but these equations REQUIRE absolute temperatures (°R) & pressures (psia).
NOT gauge pressure (psig) or °F.)
Converting to absolute temp & pressure:
P2 = (12.5+14.7) psia * (50+460)°R / (75+460°R) = 25.9 psia
Converting back to gauge pressure:
P2 = 25.9 psia - 14.7 psi) = 11.2 psig.

Experimental measurements show a pressure of 11.0 psi at 50°F.

Two likely corrections to the theoretical value are:
1) when inflating balls, adiabatic compression heats injected air to >100°F.
2) condensation of water vapor in the air inside the ball, when the balls cool, removes some water vapor from gases (N2, O2 & H2O) contributing to pressure.

Thanks Tom. Really helps. Just crossing fingers that the report exonerates us.

NENGFAN said:

So here's the deal. Deflategate has seeped through the minds of all in America....old, middle aged and KIDS! I live in NJ. My daughter (13) and son (11) wore their Pats jerseys to school after the SB and obviously a lot of fellow kids called Pats "cheats" and they beat the Colts using deflated balls. Now I have given my kids comebacks to potential cheating accusations but you know kids - they deal with one liners. I told them that NFL has not come out yet with any findings, other teams have done worse, etc. But they say the kids just say "Patriots cheated. It's all over the news". Took my son to a birthday party and he wore his new Edelman jersey and he told me most other kids were saying Pats cheated to win the Super Bowl. He did give his points but you know the accusation "you are cheats" sticks.

So my question is how to handle it. I think other kids saying "your team are cheats" is borderline bullying - even if it's true. Ruins the moment for kids. I don't want to confront the other kids saying it but how to address this issue? It's getting too much now and I fed up of giving my kids long lectures on how to defend themselves on baseless accusation.

Any help/advice would be appreciated. Also....I curse the Colts forever!

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Sue Roger Goodell and his hatchet man Kensil in federal district court.Their rash and unfounded action has brought on this DIRECT RESULT. He makes 44 million a year...that's a nice BIG TARGET for a vicious litigator.