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Uncle Rico · Feb 8, 2015

jays52 said:
They did run a questionable play there but Browner deserves all the credit for that play. If he didn't make that jam Butler would never had been able to make that play. It was very clear that was a play they had prepared a lot for. Beautiful execution.

Even the way Butler lined up before the snap: He was positioned to go with Lockett is he went outside as well. But as soon as the move went inside he pounced, with breathtaking quickness and results.

rochrist · Feb 8, 2015

SacPete1 said:
Ken,

I understand what you're writing about here but as we all know, the pick or rub or shield is a grey area and after watching the replay, Browner initiated contact immediately at the snap and while Kearse was then attempting to head up field while still engaging Browner, his head was turning back to Wilson. Was there contact? Absolutely. Was the play designed as a rub or some kind in order for window to be created? Absolutely. Should it have been flagged as Offensive PI? No way IMO.

And to tell you the truth, the officials thank goodness were not calling a tight game from the get go (roughing the kicker vs running into) and I appreciated the fact that they were allowing more aggressive physical play.

Now, had the circumstances been reversed, I'm sure there would be plenty in the media calling for Offensive PI but I've come to accept that the Patriots are unfairly targeted and the discussions in the media are clearly one sided. It is so easy and I find spineless to jump on the Patriots at every chance but I really do admire when someone goes rogue (Dilfer) knowing that he will be in the minority within his media circle but at least has the stones to challenge his colleagues.

I think the play, as run, didn't end up being illegal. I think the play, as -designed- was probably borderline illegal, but the way Browner reacted prevented them from being able to actually execute the pick. If you don't actually shoot the guy, it isn't murder.

ctpatsfan77 · Feb 8, 2015

rochrist said:
I think the play, as run, didn't end up being illegal. I think the play, as -designed- was probably borderline illegal, but the way Browner reacted prevented them from being able to actually execute the pick. If you don't actually shoot the guy, it isn't murder.

It depends on where Kearse was supposed to make contact with Butler. Had it been in the end zone, that would have been OPI as an illegal pick.

patfanken · Feb 8, 2015

Danger Zone said:
Not 100% on topic, but not 100% off it.. for what it's worth, I do feel that pick plays involving the referee should be made a penalty or at least a call to replay the down.

Sorry I have to disagree here. From time immemorial, officials have been considered part of field. Besides, for years the Pats have been effectively using officials as impediments to opponent's defenders. It would be very hypocritical of complain when another team effectively uses one as well.

What was hard to take was when Baldwin was asked how he got free from Revis, he took all the credit himself and called himself a "beast". He just forgot the other 21 times the Seahawks dropped back when he was a lot less than a beast.

buile · Feb 8, 2015

Uncle Rico said:
Even the way Butler lined up before the snap: He was positioned to go with Lockett is he went outside as well. But as soon as the move went inside he pounced, with breathtaking quickness and results.

Lockette makes a poor 'feint' to the outside when planting.... Lazy... and the guy who listened to his coaches about technique won the Super Bowl.

buile · Feb 8, 2015

patfanken said:
Sorry I have to disagree here. From time immemorial, officials have been considered part of field.

I have a vision of the year 2099, when officials zip around, above-ground, in their air Segues (puke), out of the field of play

rochrist · Feb 8, 2015

ctpatsfan77 said:
It depends on where Kearse was supposed to make contact with Butler. Had it been in the end zone, that would have been OPI as an illegal pick.

That's more or less why I said borderline.

ctpatsfan77 · Feb 8, 2015

buile said:
I have a vision of the year 2099, when officials zip around, above-ground, in their personal pollution-free* jet packs, out of the field of play

Does that work better for you?

*Not gonna work if refs are gonna blow smoke in players' faces. . . .

PatsWickedPissah · Feb 8, 2015

buile said:
I have a vision of the year 2099, when officials zip around, above-ground, in their air Segues (puke), out of the field of play

I fear that football as we know it may be gone before the end of the next decade.
Too many folks pushing their kids into other sports because of the concussion syndrome.

PatsFanSince74 · Feb 8, 2015

patfanken said:
Its been almost a full week of joyous listening, reading, and watching commentary, analysis, and game video. And then of course to RE-watch, RE-read, and RE-listen to all that stuff again.

...

Since I live in NYC, the contrast to the aftermath of the last two Pats SB's have been even more dramatic. I have the NY Daily News delivered to my apartment every morning. In 2008 and 2012, for an entire week, I simply picked it up and, without looking at the screaming headlines on the front and back pages, took it to the trash room and threw it down the chute, unread.
This week has been fun and I think an inevitable let down will soon set in.
Can't wait for the new "Three Games to Glory."!!!

ctpatsfan77 · Feb 8, 2015

I've actually changed my stance on the call now.

The idea of passing was actually a good one.

That particular play call, however, was terrible, and so was the execution.

PatsFan37 · Feb 8, 2015

Bedard wrote an excellent article on pick plays before last year's Broncos/Pats AFCCG.

“I kind of chuckle because everybody goes, ‘That’s a pick play! That’s a pick play!’ ” says former ref Jim Daopoulos, who spent 11 years as an on-field official and 12 more as an NFL supervisor of officials. “Well, pick plays are legal. It’s legal to throw a pick.”

There are also picks that are illegal. We’ll explain the difference so you’ll be able to tell the difference on Sunday. But first, you need to understand why picks are so prevalent in today’s game.

In the context of this year's Super Bowl, we didn't see the execution of the pick (because Browner was Doing His Job) so we'll never know if it would have been legal or illegal, regardless of whether it was within one yard of the LOS.

fourhour · Feb 8, 2015

I'll try this again. I'm confused. Can someone explain a pick play to me please? TIA, fourhour.

nabwong · Feb 8, 2015

It was a pick play.......for us.

buile · Feb 8, 2015

fourhour said:
I'll try this again. I'm confused. Can someone explain a pick play to me please? TIA, fourhour.

When a receiver takes a route with intention to impede the progress of a defensive back covering a different receiver.

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