Not for nothin' but.....

patfanken · Feb 8, 2015

Its been almost a full week of joyous listening, reading, and watching commentary, analysis, and game video. And then of course to RE-watch, RE-read, and RE-listen to all that stuff again. This is the week we as fans have EARNED for all our faithful support for an entire year.

It starts with long hours of reading on the Draft board, and continues with treks to TC and reading reports on who looks good and bad. Then the preseason games begin, and on to a long season of highs and lows, anger and joy, and endless claims of "I told you so". So imagine my surprise when a thought pops into my pre Altzheimerized brain that I hadn't heard ONCE since the game ended. So I thought I'd bring it to your attention to see if any of you also wondered WHY this question hadn't been asked before. I mean why should I be the only one with this banging around my head.

Why has no one questionws the fact that on what amounted to the final play of the superbowl, the Seattle Seahawks were going trying to run a play that was specifically designed to be ILLEGAL!!!!!!!

The irony hit me hard, guys. After all the crap we have had to go through the past few weeks, rather the past 7 years; the league and a majority of its fans were ready to celebrate the victory of a team who used an ILLEGAL play to win the game.

How F--ked up is THAT! Yet the strange thing is that no one in the media, either local or national, and no one from any fan base I frequent seemed to have noticed it, cared, and/or commented on it.

Yeah I know that every team has that play in their playbooks and runs it, including the Pats, and if it had succeeded I probably wouldn't have raged against it and called foul. But still the irony of it is just too juicy to pass up pointing it out.

fourhour · Feb 8, 2015

Illegal play? Lucy, 'splain this to me.

buile · Feb 8, 2015

Hmm, I didn't think about it that way.... maybe I should re-watch the highlight!

Hey, OFF-THE-GRID, do you know a thread where I might catch a replay?

Bella*chick · Feb 8, 2015

I think because it was an illegal pick play. Wasn't Zolak who said that they were going for an illegal pick and deserved the interception?

fourhour · Feb 8, 2015

Okay, I understand now. Thank you sweetheart.

patfanken · Feb 8, 2015

fourhour said:
Illegal play? Lucy, 'splain this to me.

When this play is described by anyone who has described it, it is called a "pick play". By NFL rules, pick plays are ILLEGAL and subject to a 10 yd penalty. Everyone who had described the play including Seattle folk, call it a pick play.

I just seems to me kind of strange that in an atmosphere where the lost of 1 psi of air pressure on a cold night can lead to a nation wide call of cheating toward the Patriots, yet the running of an illegal play to win the superbowl can go completely unnoticed by the same ravenous lynch mob.

Off The Grid · Feb 8, 2015

buile said:
Hmm, I didn't think about it that way.... maybe I should re-watch the highlight!

Hey, OFF-THE-GRID, do you know a thread where I might catch a replay?

Now that you mention it...I DO!!

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/doctor-doctor.1116925/page-3

fourhour · Feb 8, 2015

Is the receiver running into Butler the pick part?

shmessy · Feb 8, 2015

Browner doesn't get enough credit for holding off that pick.

What is more amazing is almost the entire nation is criticizing the Seahawks for running a play that they feel 99 out of 100 times should not have been called.

When will it dawn on them how INCREDIBLE it was for the Patriots to be so WELL PREPARED for that 1% contingency?

Browner and Butler completely jumped that play.

Patsfanin Philly · Feb 8, 2015

I thought the pick plays were legal if within one yard of the LOS. That was the explanation given last year when Denver was running those plays all the time...

Mogamedogz · Feb 8, 2015

Browner was so well prepared for it, that he actually points at Kearse and reminds Butler to watch for it.

jays52 · Feb 8, 2015

They did run a questionable play there but Browner deserves all the credit for that play. If he didn't make that jam Butler would never had been able to make that play. It was very clear that was a play they had prepared a lot for. Beautiful execution.

SacPete1 · Feb 8, 2015

Ken,

I understand what you're writing about here but as we all know, the pick or rub or shield is a grey area and after watching the replay, Browner initiated contact immediately at the snap and while Kearse was then attempting to head up field while still engaging Browner, his head was turning back to Wilson. Was there contact? Absolutely. Was the play designed as a rub or some kind in order for window to be created? Absolutely. Should it have been flagged as Offensive PI? No way IMO.

And to tell you the truth, the officials thank goodness were not calling a tight game from the get go (roughing the kicker vs running into) and I appreciated the fact that they were allowing more aggressive physical play.

Now, had the circumstances been reversed, I'm sure there would be plenty in the media calling for Offensive PI but I've come to accept that the Patriots are unfairly targeted and the discussions in the media are clearly one sided. It is so easy and I find spineless to jump on the Patriots at every chance but I really do admire when someone goes rogue (Dilfer) knowing that he will be in the minority within his media circle but at least has the stones to challenge his colleagues.

PatsWickedPissah · Feb 8, 2015

jays52 said:
They did run a questionable play there but Browner deserves all the credit for that play. If he didn't make that jam Butler would never had been able to make that play. It was very clear that was a play they had prepared a lot for. Beautiful execution.

What better teaching moment could BB forever cite to rooks & newbie FAs.
How important it is to...
(1) study film so you can recognize situations
(2) practice hard so that you instinctively know how to handle the play at game decision speed and
(3) each player Do Your Job and rely on your mate to do his job in complement.

Patsfanin Philly · Feb 8, 2015

Slightly OT here but it certainly won't hurt in the future in trying to get UDFA to sign here versus their other options when you point out Butler et al as guys who have signed as UDFA and had success....or at least a reasonable opportunity to make the team....Just point out that there is usually at least 1 UDFA who makes the roster every year...

PATS16N0 · Feb 8, 2015

patfanken said:
Its been almost a full week of joyous listening, reading, and watching commentary, analysis, and game video. And then of course to RE-watch, RE-read, and RE-listen to all that stuff again. This is the week we as fans have EARNED for all our faithful support for an entire year.

It starts with long hours of reading on the Draft board, and continues with treks to TC and reading reports on who looks good and bad. Then the preseason games begin, and on to a long season of highs and lows, anger and joy, and endless claims of "I told you so". So imagine my surprise when a thought pops into my pre Altzheimerized brain that I hadn't heard ONCE since the game ended. So I thought I'd bring it to your attention to see if any of you also wondered WHY this question hadn't been asked before. I mean why should I be the only one with this banging around my head.

Why has no one questionws the fact that on what amounted to the final play of the superbowl, the Seattle Seahawks were going trying to run a play that was specifically designed to be ILLEGAL!!!!!!!

The irony hit me hard, guys. After all the crap we have had to go through the past few weeks, rather the past 7 years; the league and a majority of its fans were ready to celebrate the victory of a team who used an ILLEGAL play to win the game. How F--ked up is THAT! Yet the strange thing is that no one in the media, either local or national, and no one from any fan base I frequent seemed to have noticed it, cared, and/or commented on it.

Yeah I know that every team has that play in their playbooks and runs it, including the Pats, and if it had succeeded I probably wouldn't have raged against it and called foul. But still the irony of it is just too juicy to pass up pointing it out.

I'm in!

patfanken · Feb 8, 2015

SacPete1 said:
Ken,

I understand what you're writing about here but as we all know, the pick or rub or shield is a grey area and after watching the replay, Browner initiated contact immediately at the snap and while Kearse was then attempting to head up field while still engaging Browner, his head was turning back to Wilson. Was there contact? Absolutely. Was the play designed as a rub or some kind in order for window to be created? Absolutely. Should it have been flagged as Offensive PI? No way IMO.

And to tell you the truth, the officials thank goodness were not calling a tight game from the get go (roughing the kicker vs running into) and I appreciated the fact that they were allowing more aggressive physical play.

Now, had the circumstances been reversed, I'm sure there would be plenty in the media calling for Offensive PI but I've come to accept that the Patriots are unfairly targeted and the discussions in the media are clearly one sided. It is so easy and I find spineless to jump on the Patriots at every chance but I really do admire when someone goes rogue (Dilfer) knowing that he will be in the minority within his media circle but at least has the stones to challenge his colleagues.

Pete, I should have made it clear that the play itself was perfectly legal. Because Browner did such a good job jamming his man, Kearse was unable to make the pick on Butler as the play was designed, so the way the play actually played out, there was no foul.

BTW- Let me reiterate, I never would have complained if the play had worked out. I think pick plays should be legal, as long as they aren't moving picks or outright blocks. My reason for this thread was the irony of the use of a technically illegal play to win a superbowl where "cheating" was such an issue....concerning us.

Danger Zone · Feb 8, 2015

Not 100% on topic, but not 100% off it.. for what it's worth, I do feel that pick plays involving the referee should be made a penalty or at least a call to replay the down.

pencilneckgeek · Feb 8, 2015

It's not illegal if the offensive player contacts the defender within 1 yard of the LOS.

1960Pats · Feb 8, 2015

Hey, my wife says "not for nothing" and we all tease her when she does. Are you from Everett?

Great pickup on the illegal pick angle Ken. That's one more dart for us Pats fans to throw if we choose. Thanks.

Bill Belichick said that he tells his players all the time that the game could come down to one play. This time that one play was the greatest defensive play in the history of the NFL. And it was the Pats' Malcom Butler that pulled it off.

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