Peter King's August 2014 take, and now

Deus Irae · Feb 7, 2015

MassPats38 said:
There have been a few comments about Welker being more prone to drops. I would like to see one of them post the numbers on dropped passes percentages for Jules and Welker. If those posters believe Welker had the dropsies, that exercise might prove enlightening. Otherwise, it is true that fiction can be fun.

It is bewildering how much scorn a key player for the Pats earns when he is not on the Pats. Belichick wisely played the "use and lose" game in letting him go when he did, but the Pats of 2007 to 2012 would not be the Pats without Welker. The deluded souls believing the team would have an extra ring or so forget how much bang the Pats got for the buck with Welker, and how frequently he was the one catching the ball and moving the chains. The notion that any slot receiver looks like that with Brady is fairly naive and ridiculous.

I remember "Moss made Welker", and then Welker excelled without Moss.
I remember "The TEs and Welker will get in each other's way", and then 2011 saw 122.90 and 79 catches
I then remember "Welker can't do it without Brady" and Welker then getting 73 catches in just 13 games in Denver (2013).

Welker was legit. He got open faster than anyone in the NFL. Hell, even last year's "down" year saw him get 49 catches on 64 targets, despite his missing more games, getting less PT, and clearly not getting back to 100% after Manning hung him out to dry yet again.

Bruins29 · Feb 7, 2015

Welker also went 111 for 1165 with Matt Cassell as QB.

Mainefan · Feb 7, 2015

I want to see this argument settled once and for all so we can get onto other things. But somehow, I don't think that will happen.

Bruins29 · Feb 7, 2015

Mainefan said:
I want to see this argument settled once and for all so we can get onto other things. But somehow, I don't think that will happen.

It was settled.

Mainefan · Feb 7, 2015

Ah. So everyone agrees now. Good.

Brady6 · Feb 7, 2015

Bruins29 said:
Guys, again we are getting a tad bit silly here. I love Jules and he was one of my favs the second he stepped on the field. The Ravens game in 2010 sealed it for me. I knew we had something special and it now we see the results of all his hard work.

However, today, when the topic of best receiver ever comes up (and people start discussing slot/possession/deep threat etc) I guarantee you JE is not in that discussion. I appreciate all JE is doing and he is on his way to becoming a very legendary Pat. You can also say he is more versatile than WW and right now playing better than WW did post injury. But I am not going to go there yet.

WW is borderline HOF and could be argued the best slot guy who ever played. If JE can keep this up and they keep winning rings it would certainly distance him a bit.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/11/24/nf...mith-emmanuel-sanders?page=2&devicetype=phone

Brady6 · Feb 7, 2015

Bruins29 said:
Welker also went 111 for 1165 with Matt Cassell as QB.

Welker also played with Randy Moss or Gronkowski/Hernandez on the field with him.

No doubt Welker was a great player but the comparison is not even feasible to make because it ignores circumstances for both players.

Bruins29 · Feb 7, 2015

Brady6 said:
http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/11/24/nf...mith-emmanuel-sanders?page=2&devicetype=phone

What is the point of this? I agree with it.

Brady6 · Feb 7, 2015

Bruins29 said:
What is the point of this? I agree with it.

He is in the discussion of top WRs. Maybe not ever but he only has 2 years as a starter so I wouldn't expect him to be.

Bruins29 · Feb 7, 2015

Brady6 said:
He is in the discussion of top WRs. Maybe not ever but he only has 2 years as a starter so I wouldn't expect him to be.

So?? he should be. He is one of the best WR in the game now under 6'

Palm Beach Pats Fan · Feb 7, 2015

Isn't what's important the fact that
Edelman 2013 > Welker 2013
and
Edelman 2014 > Welker 2014?

Why should I care at all about Edelman 2014 vs. Welker 2010?

JE has been an upgrade over the past two years relative to what WW has become.

Brady6 · Feb 7, 2015

Bruins29 said:
So?? he should be. He is one of the best WR in the game now under 6'

You said when you start discussing best receivers Edelman's name wouldn't come up. That isn't true, if Edelman continues to do what he has done the last 2 years he will rival Welker in that discussion.

We look at stats but the argument for Brady against Manning is always about Super Bowls, well why isn't Edelman Welker the same as that? Edelman has won a Super Bowl and Welker is 0-3 in his appearances. I like Welker think he was a great player but he is the Peyton Manning of WRs.

JJDChE · Feb 7, 2015

You ask any non-Patriot fan who the top 10 or 20 WRs in the game are, not a single one would name Edelman. Love the guy, but there are some seriously delusional people here.

But he IS in the top 10 WRs under 6'! Woohoo!

I wonder what the list of top RBs under 190lbs looks like!?

Bruins29 · Feb 7, 2015

Brady6 said:
You said when you start discussing best receivers Edelman's name wouldn't come up. That isn't true, if Edelman continues to do what he has done the last 2 years he will rival Welker in that discussion.

We look at stats but the argument for Brady against Manning is always about Super Bowls, well why isn't Edelman Welker the same as that? Edelman has won a Super Bowl and Welker is 0-3 in his appearances. I like Welker think he was a great player but he is the Peyton Manning of WRs.

I have a suggestion. How about not coming into a discussion that is pretty much over and settled and throwing in your $.02 when its pretty much out of the context of the original discussion.

Nobody here with a brain would consider WW NOW even in the same league of player or receiver as JE is now.

Bruins29 · Feb 7, 2015

And comparing WW to Payton Manning is a joke. Payton has continually puked on himself over and over in the playoffs. WW was money every game and EVERY DRIVE save for one drop that was not an easy play.

If not for a Pats D meltdown of epic proportions, the flu, a game losing drop, and Rex friggin Grossman PM wouldnt even have a ring.

Bruins29 · Feb 7, 2015

JJDChE said:
. Love the guy, but there are some seriously delusional people here.

Just wait until the Brandon LaFell is better than Stanley Morgan thread

Deus Irae · Feb 7, 2015

JJDChE said:
You ask any non-Patriot fan who the top 10 or 20 WRs in the game are, not a single one would name Edelman. Love the guy, but there are some seriously delusional people here.

But he IS in the top 10 WRs under 6'! Woohoo!

I wonder what the list of top RBs under 190lbs looks like!?

You ain't just whistlin' Dixie. Remember that the homers, in 2013, thought Donald Jones and Michael Jenkins were going to be the solution to the team's WR woes.

Bruins29 · Feb 7, 2015

Recently there was a whole Darelle Revis is better than Deion Sanders. So, none of this is shocking.

Brady6 · Feb 7, 2015

Bruins29 said:
And comparing WW to Payton Manning is a joke. Payton has continually puked on himself over and over in the playoffs. WW was money every game and EVERY DRIVE save for one drop that was not an easy play.

If not for a Pats D meltdown of epic proportions, the flu, a game losing drop, and Rex friggin Grossman PM wouldnt even have a ring.

Welker doesn't have a ring he has been to the Super Bowl 3 times. He is very much like Manning, lofty stats that don't mean **** when the game is on the line.

You gave me a suggestion above so I will return the favor. You should try to not become so emotionally involved with the players, you have a bias for players you grew an attachment to and to often it results in you getting bent about something that really isn't anything more than a discussion about people we don't even know personally who play a game for a team we root for.

Brady6 · Feb 7, 2015

Bruins29 said:
Recently there was a whole Darelle Revis is better than Deion Sanders. So, none of this is shocking.

The rules and the way the game was played when Sanders was a CB are so different it is not an apples to apples comparison, it's an apple to a steak comparison.

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