Vince Wilfork plans to return to Patriots for 2015

Some of the posts within this thread are ridiculous.

First, Vince Wilfork and the New England Patriots negotiated a new deal in 2014. Vince Wilfork has no incentive whatsoever to renegotiate since Vince Wilfork fulfilled his end of the bargain.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/vince-wilfork/

Second, the New England Patriots expended a first round draft pick in 2014 on a defensive tackle. If anything, defensive end is a higher priority than defensive tackle, since one cannot expect Rob Ninkovich to lead all defensive ends in snaps played for a second consecutive season and remain effective at the age of 31.

Yes, the cost per positional groups is indeed often overlooked here. That is because there is no cap for each positional group. Even if one considers that there is a budget by positional group, that budget should included compensation plus draft choices.

In drafting Jones, Hightower, and Collins, the patriots are spending a reasonable amount on their front seven. Mayo and Wilfork get top dollar. Ninkovich is a bargain. We have a bargain at the 2nd DT position. However, folks want to correct that by drafting a DT first rounder.

I think that it is inaccurate to imply that the patriots don't spend enough on the front seven. I think that it unreasonable to have budgets for smaller units, like DT or DE (if so we should spend lots more at DE). Finally, draft picks should be considered resources spent. Having top players in their rookie contracts does mean less cash and cap spent, but it does not mean less resources spent.
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supafly said:

I think the aspect of positional group breakdowns for the salary cap often gets overlooked here. Just my opinion.

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mgteich said:

In drafting Jones, Hightower, and Collins, the patriots are spending a reasonable amount on their front seven. Mayo and Wilfork get top dollar.

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The truth of the matter is that Mayo is 1/7 who received a good deal, which coincides with his top 10 draft choice for a 2nd contract. Wilfork restructured and played nice.

The rest of the 8-10 players in the front seven are quite cost effective.

mgteich said:

I think that it is inaccurate to imply that the patriots don't spend enough on the front seven. I think that it unreasonable to have budgets for smaller units, like DT or DE (if so we should spend lots more at DE).

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I never suggested anything of the sort. I stated that the position of DL was very cheap.

mgteich said:

Having top players in their rookie contracts does mean less cash and cap spent, but it does not mean less resources spent.

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Draft picks replenish themselves every single year.

It's a day and age of free agency + salary cap management. Utilizing your cheap draft picks is the most effective way to go--obviously.

Every single team in the NFL utilizes "resources" via the draft. That's what it's for.

supafly said:

He recently signed a 3 year/ 23 million dollar extension prior to the season, so that takes him through free agency in 2017, and right around the 6.5 AAV estimate that you project above in your statement (actually he did even better than that).

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/vince-wilfork/

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Seeing this link to this when I worked so hard on http://www.patscap.com hurts

Miguel said:

Seeing this link to this when I worked so hard on http://www.patscap.com hurts

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You are right, Miguel. I need to stop citing other sources and get into the habit of linking to you instead.

Sincere apologies. It is simply a matter of habit that I will change.

For anyone who may be interested, here is Miguel's page on Wilfork, which provides a much better analysis on the specific angles of the situation: http://www.patscap.com/wilfork.html#wilfork

Miguel:
Eight million seems a little pricy for Wilfork. What do you think the Pats will do?
How can they shift a little money into 2016?

Jimke said:

Miguel:
Eight million seems a little pricy for Wilfork. What do you think the Pats will do?
How can they shift a little money into 2016?

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As long as the team is the team is willing to pay Wilfork what he is owed under the contract, money can be moved into 2016. For example, if $6M of his salary and roster bonus were converted to a new bonus, then $3M would be moved to 2016.

What folks here are suggesting is that Wilfork isn't worth the $8M or so that he is due this year or the $6M or so that he will be due next year.

his not going to get anywhere near 8 million on the open market if he is cut so I don't see why he would not rework his contract to play a year or two more with the pats. don't get me wrong he is not going to take the vet min but 4 or 5 million per with a lil up front money to make up for the other 3 million he would have made can be done

I dont know. We just went though this with him and it got borderline ugly IIRC. He may hardline them on principle.

Hopefully Big Vince will be able to workout this offseason and lay off the cheeseburgers. He has got to get his weight down, for the team's sake and for his own. I'll bet he is pushing 400 pounds.

Unfortunately, with Wilfork, it is a matter of principle. I think he would rather take a huge
pay cut from another team than any less money from the Patriots.