Free Agency and Amendola/Revis Predictions

patsinthesnow said:

Arrington is a key reason why we are able to constantly destroy the Colts.
With him and McCourty eliminating Hilton and Revis taking away the WR2, Luck has nowhere to throw.

Arrington is a specialty CB like Browner. If Butler can emerge as a decent outside CB, Arrington should never be outside again.

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Methinks Butler is emerging...

'Super Bowl Sound FX': Seattle Seahawks wide receiver Jermaine Kearse and New England Patriots cornerback Malcolm Butler go at it

http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...colm-butler/uew0mYCNFDma8KIVvQqBUL/video.html

How about gronk pulling a brady and giving us some cap space? Lol

Do you mean restructure or take a pay cut?

Brady6 said:

The following players cannot return in 2015 with their current cap figure:

Revis
Wilfork
Mayo
Amendola
Arrington

That is the hard truth, they will either need to restructure or we will have to move on. There is no real way around it.

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In today's NFL a secondary in sync and appreciate and work as hard together as ours is paramount.
All the teams who advanced past the Wildcard had one thing in common great defense.
What is the most important thing with the Chip Kelly, Patriots, Pep Hamilton kind of offenses.
A Secondary that can make the quaterback hesitate to throw the pass right at the snap.
Let's talk brass tacks I love Big Vince but I believe that Easley was drafted with replacing him in mind not complimenting him.
Branch to me would be just as effective as Wilfork.
Let me put this another way the drop off from Revis or Mccourty to next man is much weaker than a current Vince Wilfork to a Alan Branch.
That can't be argued.
Mayo is a great leader and player but the drop off from him to Ayers isn't as big as the drop off from the two aforementioned to a draft pick.
It's unpopular sure but you cut out the building blocks of this team for the new support system that will lead to more wins in today's NFL.
Which is shadowing number 1 receivers and shutting down the field.
Invaluable
We have leaders young leaders on this team its time for them to take the reigns its a business.
I wouldn't pay Vince more than 2 million a year and Mayo more than 3.5.
Mccourty I would pay between 7 and 9 million a season.
Revis I hate to say it back the truck up.
We've been able to draft and find D line and Linebackers well.
Defensive backs top players are drafted in the top 10 of the draft besides a few exceptions.
End of discussion if im making the decisions.
Revis made the young guys better broke down film worked with them on technique Boyer owes Revis a huge thank you because everyone elevated their play with him on the field.
Invaluable.

Consider the following question: Who wants to play for the Patriots that would be a great fit? Doesn't this change the complexion of the initial post? The bottom line: BB will do what he must to improve the football team.

If NFLers entering free agency are not saying to themselves (i.e. like LaFell and Revis did), "I think I'd like to make a go for it with those guys," then they're just not paying attention.

You seem to think that salary matters more than actual money.

Having the salary at $1M and a higher bonus is a cap convenience for the patriots. The question is the right amount of guaranteed money. I included a $21M bonus and didn't list the amounts guaranteed 2016 and 2017. Let us say that those are $6M each year., for a total guaranteed of $33M.

I don't know why you think that Revis would prefer the higher salary to the higher guaranteed compensation.

What if the bonus amount were $33M, would you still think that the salary were important?

I don't know what the patriots want for the salary, but I strongly believe that they will not levelize the salary (say with a $10M salary each year and a $12M bonus, with $28M guaranteed). This would give the patriots cap hits of $19M, $14M and $14M in a time of increasing caps.

ATippett56 said:

Darrelle Revis holds all the cards. It's either the New England Patriots pick up the second year option on the Revis contract or pay the best cornerback in the NFL market value.

Darrelle Revis will not play for a $1 million base salary in year one of a new contract when Richard Sherman receives $10 million base salary in year one of a new contract.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/richard-sherman/

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Let's look at contract structure. Note that the is a $5M cap hit still due from last year's contract.

REVIS
There are 4 contract issues: length, AAV, bonuses, guaranteed money.

Let us presume that 3 years and $42M makes sense, for a total cap hit of $47M. Let us also presume that $30M guaranteed works for both parties.

ALTERNATIVE ONE - SALARIES: $14M, $14M, $14M
No bonus is needed. The first 2 years of salary would be guaranteed as well as $2M of year 3.
2015 cap - $19M
2016 cap -$14M
2017 cap - $14M

ALTERNATIVE TWO - SALARIES: $2M, $14M, $14M, $12M bonus
moving $12M of 2015 salary to a bonus
2015 cap $5 + 2 + 4 = $11M
2016 cap 14 + 4 = $18M
2017 cap 14 + 4 = $18M
still $2M of 2017 guarantees + $12M bonus + 2015 $2M + 2016 $14M

ALTERNATIVE THREE - SALARIES: $4M, $10M, $10M, $18M bonus
moving $10M of 2015, and $4M of other years to bonus
2015 cap $5 + 4 +6 = $15M
2016 cap $10 + 6 = $16M
2017 cap $10 + 6 = $16M
$30M guarantee = $18M bonus + $4M of each year's salary

ALTERNATIVE FOUR - SALARIES: $1M, $10M, $10M, $21m bonus
moving $13M of 2015 and $4M of other years to bonus

2015 cap $5M + 1 + 7 = $13M
2016 cap 10 + 7 = $17M
2017 cap 10 + 7 = $17M
$30M guarantee: $21M bonus, $1M 2015, $4M 2016, $4M 2017
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MG PREFERENCE
My preference is Alternative 4, although I am fine with Alternative 3. All give Revis $42M with $30M guaranteed. Both 3 and 4 give Revis $22M in 2015. Alternatives 1 and 2 give him only $14M and $16M.
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THIS STRUCTURE WORKS FOR HIGHER OR LOWER AAV'S
If you want to pay a different total, simply reduce the 2016 and 2017 salaries by half of the change. So to play Reivs $45M instead of $42M, the 2016 and 2017 salaries became $11.5M in each year.

Bruins29 said:

You just cant resist can you. Mayo needs to restructure or he is gone. We have suitable replacements for him especially if they keep Ayers. Wilfork needs to also restructure or he is gone. 8 million a year is too much and again Branch and Siliga along with Easley may be a solid replacement if they feel there is suitable depth. Ninko will be here.

So assuming Wilfork and Mayo are either overpaid or there is a replacement, who is going to be our slot WR?

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Can't resist what, responding to the post with a realistic response that you can over interrupt and become ultra defensive too?

Look above you I said Wilfork and Mayo need to restructure or go. We have Edelman and Wright, as I have said in every post I would like to see Amendola back but there is no way in hell I would have him at $5.7M against the cap I don't care how cute you think he is.

Not going to fight with you, fighting on Internet is totally 2014... Sorry [emoji111]️

mgteich said:

Do you mean restructure or take a pay cut?

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Revis needs to restructure with an extension, Mayo needs to restructure and convert some of the money to incentives, everyone else needs to take a pay cut if you ask me.. I can't see having the #3 WR and #3 CB in the top 10 of cap hits on this team, and I can't see having a nose tackle with a nearly $9M cap hit at age 34.

I would love to see everyone back, love Wilfork and Mayo, I think Arrington is a good slot CB, and I have even grown to begin liking Amendola especially as a kick returner, but I'm trying to be realistic if you want to keep Revis, McCourty, Vereen, and others it isn't feasible to keep these contracts as is.

Brady6 said:

Can't resist what, responding to the post with a realistic response that you can over interrupt and become ultra defensive too?

Look above you I said Wilfork and Mayo need to restructure or go. We have Edelman and Wright, as I have said in every post I would like to see Amendola back but there is no way in hell I would have him at $5.7M against the cap I don't care how cute you think he is.

Not going to fight with you, fighting on Internet is totally 2014... Sorry [emoji111]️

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First, you are the one being defensive. You need to look at the big picture and just which is better or has done more in your eyes for their money. I hope Amendola RS also. But I am sure it goes something like this. They are probably going to keep the people who they have a steeper drop off to replace. Your assertion that DA is more expendable than VW or JM just seemed premature if the drop off between VW/JM their successors is not as steep than the one from DA to whomever they think will play the slot.

If they think they can get a Mayo or VW type of production from current proven players, for a lot less money, then its prudent to move in. If they think that they have someone who can play the slot effectively and bond with TB (another factor people forget) then that makes DA expendable.

Its not who is better, its what are the value options.

Bruins29 said:

First, you are the one being defensive. You need to look at the big picture and just which is better or has done more in your eyes for their money. I hope Amendola RS also. But I am sure it goes something like this. They are probably going to keep the people who they have a steeper drop off to replace. Your assertion that DA is more expendable than VW or JM just seemed premature if the drop off between VW/JM their successors is not as steep than the one from DA to whomever they think will play the slot.

If they think they can get a Mayo or VW type of production from current proven players, for a lot less money, then its prudent to move in. If they think that they have someone who can play the slot effectively and bond with TB (another factor people forget) then that makes DA expendable.

Its not who is better, its what are the value options.

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Not being defensive, I got nothing but love for you Bruins I just know Danny wets your whistle so you get all Edelman on top of a duck boat for him.

I think they all need to restructure, Amendola had a great game against the Ravens, and was solid in the SB, I do not think it would be that hard to replace his production at all though, he had 337 receiving yards in 19 games, that isn't practical at $5.7M, he needs to come in at around $3M against the cap, which I think is feasible. The question is whether or not Amendola wants to be here knowing Edelman is going to be the #1 he may want to go someplace where he can be in that role and therefore draw a hard line with his willingness to restructure. I don't want them to have to cut him because I think he will land in Denver if we do cut him and that would be a double whammy.

Brady6 said:

Not being defensive, I got nothing but love for you Bruins I just know Danny wets your whistle so you get all Edelman on top of a duck boat for him.

I think they all need to restructure, Amendola had a great game against the Ravens, and was solid in the SB, I do not think it would be that hard to replace his production at all though, he had 337 receiving yards in 19 games, that isn't practical at $5.7M, he needs to come in at around $3M against the cap, which I think is feasible. The question is whether or not Amendola wants to be here knowing Edelman is going to be the #1 he may want to go someplace where he can be in that role and therefore draw a hard line with his willingness to restructure. I don't want them to have to cut him because I think he will land in Denver if we do cut him and that would be a double whammy.

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All I told you about DA is to give him a chance as he gets healthy and see what happens in the playoffs. At the time, you weren't having it. No biggie.

I am not concerned with DA production although they can use it to leverage a restructure. I want clutch players on the field who connect with TB. Maybe if the season started tomorrow DA would pick up where he left off and would be clutch and reliable and get targets every game. Who knows.

ChrisR2223 said:

In today's NFL a secondary in sync and appreciate and work as hard together as ours is paramount.
All the teams who advanced past the Wildcard had one thing in common great defense.
What is the most important thing with the Chip Kelly, Patriots, Pep Hamilton kind of offenses.
A Secondary that can make the quaterback hesitate to throw the pass right at the snap.
Let's talk brass tacks I love Big Vince but I believe that Easley was drafted with replacing him in mind not complimenting him.
Branch to me would be just as effective as Wilfork.
Let me put this another way the drop off from Revis or Mccourty to next man is much weaker than a current Vince Wilfork to a Alan Branch.
That can't be argued.
Mayo is a great leader and player but the drop off from him to Ayers isn't as big as the drop off from the two aforementioned to a draft pick.
It's unpopular sure but you cut out the building blocks of this team for the new support system that will lead to more wins in today's NFL.
Which is shadowing number 1 receivers and shutting down the field.
Invaluable
We have leaders young leaders on this team its time for them to take the reigns its a business.
I wouldn't pay Vince more than 2 million a year and Mayo more than 3.5.
Mccourty I would pay between 7 and 9 million a season.
Revis I hate to say it back the truck up.
We've been able to draft and find D line and Linebackers well.
Defensive backs top players are drafted in the top 10 of the draft besides a few exceptions.
End of discussion if im making the decisions.
Revis made the young guys better broke down film worked with them on technique Boyer owes Revis a huge thank you because everyone elevated their play with him on the field.
Invaluable.

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I think Easley will be a good player, but the last thing he was brought here to do is replace Wilfork. They couldn't be more different in what they bring to the table.

Regarding Amendola, here's a nice resource on what receivers cost.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/wide-receiver/

There aren't a lot of guys behind him on the list that I'd rather have, honestly, but he's going to have to be a much more integral part of the offense next year to be worth anywhere near what he's getting paid.

I think he's moving on.

50-yard-line said:

Regarding Amendola, here's a nice resource on what receivers cost.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/wide-receiver/

There aren't a lot of guys behind him on the list that I'd rather have, honestly, but he's going to have to be a much more integral part of the offense next year to be worth anywhere near what he's getting paid.

I think he's moving on.

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Belichick thinks ahead so I wouldn't be surprised if the Amendola's replacement is already on the team with Tim Wright. Wright is a different type of player but plays a similar role on the field. This type of situation always makes me think of Woodhead and. Vereen. Baring Amendola literally producing what Welker did I don't think they ever intended on paying him the current contract in years 3, 4, and 5 I think it was essentially a 2 year deal but give the team control of him for 5 years if need be.

Amendola's cap hit his irrelevant to if he stays. What is relevant is his salary. And if his playoff performance is indicative of his next year's performance, then I don't think you will find a player in free agency to be guaranteed perform at that level for 4m (Amendola's salary).
So the question is the position/role worth 4m or do we just go with Dobson/unknown rookie contract players

Is Boyce that guy?

Do they kick LaFell in and let Dobson run in the X?

Charles Clay, maybe?

Bruins29 said:

All I told you about DA is to give him a chance as he gets healthy and see what happens in the playoffs. At the time, you weren't having it. No biggie.

I am not concerned with DA production although they can use it to leverage a restructure. I want clutch players on the field who connect with TB. Maybe if the season started tomorrow DA would pick up where he left off and would be clutch and reliable and get targets every game. Who knows.

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What do you think Amendola would net on the open market? Consider that the draft is deep for be second straight year at WR, Amendola is entering his 30s, and there are several good WRs entering UFA.

Right now the cap hit is $5.7M. Personally I would keep him at $3M max.

voluntarysaftey said:

Amendola's cap hit his irrelevant to if he stays. What is relevant is his salary. And if his playoff performance is indicative of his next year's performance, then I don't think you will find a player in free agency to be guaranteed perform at that level for 4m (Amendola's salary).
So the question is the position/role worth 4m or do we just go with Dobson/unknown rookie contract players

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You don't think we could find a receiver who could produce 27 catches for 200 yards and a touchdown for $4M APY?

50-yard-line said:

Is Boyce that guy?

Do they kick LaFell in and let Dobson run in the X?

Charles Clay, maybe?

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Tim Wright the player who caught 26 passes with just 31 targets.