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Bruins29 · Feb 4, 2015

mihap said:
I think he has 2 pro bowl seasons left in him for sure.

Ahhhh I love V and hope he stays for another year (if effective) but he has not made the probowl since 2012.

With a major injury now under his belt and him 3 years older (he will be 34 next season) its more likely he will be a JAG than a pro bowler.

SalemPats · Feb 4, 2015

Ninko is very smart, and you're not going to upgrade on Jones through the draft for next year picking at the bottom of the 1st (maybe in the long run). I'm sure BB will draft/sign DL and OL to build some depth, but we did win a SB with this team.

Marqui · Feb 4, 2015

Ross12 said:
Restructure Mayo, then with Mayo out there you can send either Hightower or Collins to rush the passer. Both are pretty good at it, I really liked what I saw from Hightower. Imagine Mayo and Collins in coverage, with Jones and Hightower rushing and Easley also penetrating inside?

This is exactly what's going to happen imo.

Ivan · Feb 4, 2015

PatsfanCP said:
Vince is going to retire.

the Pats need to look at kendrick ellis from the jets or even dan Williams from the Cardinals.

We must sign a solid player when vince goes.

Wilfork is washed up he looked like his old self in the superbowl he played well but the old vince is gone

Stupid post.

FrodoBagginz · Feb 4, 2015

Vince was being double teamed many times through the season. Kind of hard to do anything when you have 2 men blocking you.

ALP · Feb 4, 2015

hellolin said:
Finally, someone addressed the elephant in the room. I for one think the legit explanation for all those ridiculous catches and some no name receiver eating our lunch in the superbowls has more to do with our lack of pass rush than the corners fail to cover them. When you don't have a pass rush, the QB can sit back there in the packet and be very comfortable with his throws, thus making perfect decisions with perfect passes. DBs can only cover for so long, pass rush has to be good enough to rattle the QB at least, but the only sacks and hurries I saw on sunday was because of coverage, not pure pressure from the pass rush.

In this past super bowl not even jj watt would have rushed fairly well bc he would be expected to protect his lane from Wilson running through it...

Joey007 · Feb 4, 2015

I think we simply just need more depth at pass rusher. Jones and Nink need more snaps off so there can be more of a rotation. Jones can be a great pass rusher but by being hobbled by injury the rest of the season he became a very average pass rusher down the stretch.

An affordable option for depth for example would be Lions DE George Johnson. http://www.nfl.com/player/georgejohnson/2517637/profile

Ross12 · Feb 4, 2015

Marqui said:
This is exactly what's going to happen imo.

Yeah, I see many posts saying we don't need Mayo because Collins and HT did great and we mostly just fielded the two of them so why pay him "just to bench one of them."

In reality, if one of Collins or HT got hurt and we didn't have Mayo our depth would suck. Further, with Mayo healthy he would certainly be out there regularly and then we would be sending one of the other two guys to rush the passer most likely.

I would imagine a common 3-3-5 of Jones-Wilfork-Easley, then Mayo and either Collins/HT with the other guy on the line at OLB, and Revis-Browner-Arrington-McCourty-Chung in the back.

Edit: this also allows for a good rotation, Nink can rotate at OLB too, or Easley could move to DE, Jones can go inside too, etc. Very versatile pieces, if not "elite."

holyredeemer · Feb 4, 2015

JMC00 said:
They just won the SB.

Also don't judge a pass rush by number of sacks like you are doing here.

Sure, they won the Superbowl. I think the OP was looking to the future though, and in that case, getting stronger on the DL would be an amazing boon to our D if we can keep the backfield together. The rush D was inconsistent, and you know that our pass rush sucks. Sadly, I dont feel its an issue thats going to be corrected anytime soon. The days of a dominant DL are going to take a few drafts to recover.

Brady6 · Feb 4, 2015

PatsfanCP said:
The Pats defense is elite but the lack of pass rush of awful.

Jones is a good player but he is not a elite pass rusher.

Wilfork branch and silga are space eaters

Ninkovich is a good player but still he not a great pass rusher.

I know we got to get revis and Mccourty back by any means.

I like ayers he has some upside good player

but I feel the pats need to try to look in free agency towards getting a pass rusher and improving the D line overall.

Right now the only kind of Pass rush that they pats can getting is by sending the Blitz

The Patriots have a top 5 defense I would say.

But it is a shame at times how much time opposing QBS have in the pocket vs the Pats its crazy.

with a ok pass rush the patriots could have a the number 1 or a top 3 defense in the NFL

The pasts have the 14th ranked pass rush in the NFL right now.

What do yall think about this?

I disagree that Chandler Jones isn't an elite pass rusher, I would love to hear edge players who are better than Jones in your opinion, there are some but make a list and I bet you it won't be as many as you think. He has 23.5 sacks in 40 regular season games.

BradyFTW! · Feb 4, 2015

I disagree, in that the Pats probably won't make a big FA splash for a pass rusher. Any improvement is likely to come from Easley, a draft pick, and/or Moore I think.

rochrist · Feb 4, 2015

PatsfanCP said:
Yes he is but i dont see Bill going to get him but a player like him would make the pats defense all world

Eh. Two good years, two mediocre years out of 4 (not counting last year because of injury, but he was horrible). He wouldn't be worth the price. Especially for a BB defense.

patsfanincleveland · Feb 4, 2015

PatsfanCP said:
The Pats defense is elite but the lack of pass rush of awful.

Jones is a good player but he is not a elite pass rusher.

Wilfork branch and silga are space eaters

Ninkovich is a good player but still he not a great pass rusher.

I know we got to get revis and Mccourty back by any means.

I like ayers he has some upside good player

but I feel the pats need to try to look in free agency towards getting a pass rusher and improving the D line overall.

Right now the only kind of Pass rush that they pats can getting is by sending the Blitz

The Patriots have a top 5 defense I would say.

But it is a shame at times how much time opposing QBS have in the pocket vs the Pats its crazy.

with a ok pass rush the patriots could have a the number 1 or a top 3 defense in the NFL

The pasts have the 14th ranked pass rush in the NFL right now.

What do yall think about this?

Pass rushers are a complete waste of time.

BB knows what's going down and that's the secondary.

JMC00 · Feb 4, 2015

People selling on Chandler Jones because of sack numbers really should bone the hell up on some of those guys they would rather have and see how their first 3 seasons were. Seriously go check some, very comparable to what Chandler has done.

Here is one
Justin Houston- 2014 Sack leader
26.5 sacks- 43 games in his first 3 seasons

Chandler Jones
23.5 sacks- 40 games

You know pass rushers don't come into the league and become this elite force like JJ Watt did. And let's be fair for the 2 all time great years Watt has had. He has also had 2 years that are forgettable.

RobertWeathers · Feb 4, 2015

Sicilian said:
The Patriots pass rush is never going to look like the 07 Giants. Belichick simply is NOT going to play that kind of pin your ears back style, no matter how much the fans want him to. Adding elite pass rushers is never a bad thing, but all it will do for you is frustrate you because it will appear either they aren't living up to potential or they're being "wasted".

Considering that thecte played 75% on sub a pin your ears back pass rush is where I do think they are heading.

With that said they absolutely need more of a rush up the middle. Nink and Jones are above ave.

The Scrizz · Feb 4, 2015

hellolin said:
Finally, someone addressed the elephant in the room. I for one think the legit explanation for all those ridiculous catches and some no name receiver eating our lunch in the superbowls has more to do with our lack of pass rush than the corners fail to cover them. When you don't have a pass rush, the QB can sit back there in the packet and be very comfortable with his throws, thus making perfect decisions with perfect passes. DBs can only cover for so long, pass rush has to be good enough to rattle the QB at least, but the only sacks and hurries I saw on sunday was because of coverage, not pure pressure from the pass rush.

What perfect passes did Wilson make? A few deep balls where he throws it up for his 6'6 WR's to beat Arrington. What perfect decisions did he make? they didn't want him running around all game and to keep him in the pocket. Jones and Collins both had bad whiffs but beyond that it worked pretty well. He didn't complete a pass until the 2nd quarter. Kid completed 12 passes and got sacked three times. The all world Seahawks got to Brady once.

Plus you have to respect the run against them you can't just go flying up the field.

The Defensive game plan worked in the SB it just wasn't the one you wanted to see.

PatsfanCP · Feb 4, 2015

The Scrizz said:
What perfect passes did Wilson make? A few deep balls where he throws it up for his 6'6 WR's to beat Arrington. What perfect decisions did he make? they didn't want him running around all game and to keep him in the pocket. Jones and Collins both had bad whiffs but beyond that it worked pretty well. He didn't complete a pass until the 2nd quarter. Kid completed 12 passes and got sacked three times. The all world Seahawks got to Brady once.

Plus you have to respect the run against them you can't just go flying up the field.

The Defensive game plan worked in the SB it just wasn't the one you wanted to see.

The defensive gameplan Worked great.
im talking about the whole season the Pats need a pass rush.

A lot Qbs have tons of time to pass vs the pats its a shame.

The only heat the pats can get is through blitzing.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Feb 4, 2015

Sicilian said:
The Patriots pass rush is never going to look like the 07 Giants. Belichick simply is NOT going to play that kind of pin your ears back style, no matter how much the fans want him to. Adding elite pass rushers is never a bad thing, but all it will do for you is frustrate you because it will appear either they aren't living up to potential or they're being "wasted".

Belichick sure would if he could. The Giants were able to get constant pressure without blitzing; I am quite sure any coach in NFL history would gladly have that ability. I think you could have added "for the cost to acquire it" which would make sense. The G-Men also use a lot of high draft picks and salary, including free agents, in order to put together that incredible rush.

jmg17 · Feb 4, 2015

Yes we need a pass rush. Obviously. Regardless of how it's done or what type of def BB runs. Just a decent, consistent pass rush. We need it if one for the thumb is important to anyone.

Joker · Feb 4, 2015

PatsfanCP said:
The Pats defense is elite but the lack of pass rush of awful.

The pasts have the 14th ranked pass rush in the NFL right now.

What do yall think about this?

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