Brady vs. Rodgers: Case closed for now?

If Rodgers shares the same kind of success as Brady, then there may be a convo about the matter.......but right now, Rodgers has not even been as clutch as Eli Manning....but he does get point for being a nice guy

If i rank the QBs right now i have Brady and Rodgers as the two best, head and shoulders above the rest. I have Brady as the GOAT. When Rodgers career is over he will be in the mix and i wish him all of the luck, he is fun to watch.

Nunchucks said:

So Rogers is not allowed to have a bad game?Will you hold Brady's bad games against him? I somehow think you will not.

And Belichick has a lot to say about the offense as well, he is the one who sticks with the offensive philosophy first implemented by Weiss. Heck he meets with Brady every week to talk about the game plan.

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I never said he couldn't have a bad game, but he had 2 bad games against the Seachumps because he was intimidated by that defense. Brady did much better against the same team and won another SB against them. I held most of the playoff loses to Baltimore against Brady in the past.

Belichick meets with Brady every week to talk about the game plan, but who is to say he's not just okaying whatever Brady has pointed out on film. McDaniels is running the offense, but McDaniels didn't have this success with any other QB and neither has BOB or Weiss. There is only one constant in that offense and that is Tom Brady, who can get done no matter how good or bad the offense is. I would like to see Rodgers play with half the scrubs Brady has had to deal with over his career. Rodgers would quickly fade back into obscurity.

This discussion honest to goodness feels like I have gone back 10 years and You all just replaced Mannings name with Rodgers

Nunchucks said:

Rogers was playing with a torn calf muscle.

Brady is a great QB, the greatest QB of all time. But, we have to be realistic. Rogers is able to do things that Brady is just physically incapable of doing. If Rogers was healthy for that game, the Packers win, and possibly win big. The guy has a cannon for an arm, a quick release, is accurate on the run, and can run with the ball.

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And yet, somehow, 3 one and dones and only made it to the big show once in 6 years.

Brunitus said:

Look Brady in terms of history is a no question, Now if we are talking about today and maybe for the next 5 years, then it can go either way, But Rodgers has nothing but time to still grow and get better, while Brady eventually will start regressing, It will happen, it happens to everyone, we just don't know when.......

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He's not gonna do anymore growing. He's 31, at his absolute peak. And judging by how much he gets injured, it will be a stretch for him to make it as long as Brady will.

Bobsyouruncle said:

Michael Vick probably has the greatest skill set of any QB ever. Speed, and arm strength were incredible. Skill sets mean ****. You play to win, after you're done winning we'll discuss stats for tie breakers.

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Well, there's the whole not-being-able-to-hit-the-side-of-a-barn thing. Plus, his release? Not so hot. Which is why his very best season was pretty mediocre.

rochrist said:

And yet, somehow, 3 one and dones and only made it to the big show once in 6 years.

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I think you are severely underrating the team building and coaching advantages that Tom Brady enjoys.

Bobsyouruncle said:

Michael Vick probably has the greatest skill set of any QB ever. Speed, and arm strength were incredible. Skill sets mean ****. You play to win, after you're done winning we'll discuss stats for tie breakers.

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Good point. Cam Newton is 6'5 250 lbs, 4.6 forty with a cannon arm as well.

People say that Rodgers may be the best QB talent to ever play the game. But shouldn't QB talent include pocket presence, field vision, and decision making?

Rodgers is up there with Brady and Montana for best decision makers ever. However IMO, he isn't in the same league as Brady in pocket presence, and I question if he sees the whole field in these big games.

And of course, Andy hit on mind skill set as well.

Nunchucks said:

I think you are severely underrating the team building and coaching advantages that Tom Brady enjoys.

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I think you're severely overrating guady regular season stats. Rodgers has had some pretty nice weapons to work with. Plus, he has Lambeau Field as a built in advantage that Brady doesnt have. Take him out of Lambeau and he isn't quite as scary. Do you use the team building and coaching excuse for Manning too?

Is Brady in Chris Simms Top 5 QB list now?

Rodgers is probably more gifted but I love Bradys competitiveness.

Rodgers is the second best QB in the game today. Brady's still #1 because of the famous "intangibles". There's no shame in that for Mr. Rodgers.

ALP said:

I'm not even going to talk about their careers bc it's not even closer

I'll talk about right now howver bc it's an argument: I think today Rodgers can do more than brady as an individual usually from a talent standpoint...however Rodgers even today does not win as efficiently as brady and is not as clutch late in a game as brady

So even though he has more talent as a passer who can scramble, the better QB, even today, is brady

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If he can do more than Brady, than how come, even with a better receiving core, he's always sitting at home watching Brady play in conference championships and Superbowls?

I really don't understand these "Rodgers is #1 right now" just because he can run around and throw deep on the move. He also holds on to the ball too long, eats sacks even with good protection, and sucks when his team is behind.

Yes, I think those factor in for Manning too. Football is a team game and it takes a lot of pieces to fit just right in order to win a superbowl. Brady has had some terrible playoff games and terrible regular season games....just like he has had some great games.

Heck, if Butler does not make the interception in the endzone people are not talking about Brady in the same way. Instead, they are talking about 2 INTs and a 10 point swing. So, I think you need to take a step back and look at this more objectively.

PATS16N0 said:

If he can do more than Brady, than how come, even with a better receiving core, he's always sitting at home watching Brady play in conference championships and Superbowls?

I really don't understand these "Rodgers is #1 right now" just because he can run around and throw deep on the move. He also holds on to the ball too long, eats sacks even with good protection, and sucks when his team is behind.

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Defense and coaching...DUH.

Why did Brady lose 2 superbowls?

The logic being expressed is mind blowing

Nunchucks said:

Yes, I think those factor in for Manning too. Football is a team game and it takes a lot of pieces to fit just right in order to win a superbowl. Brady has had some terrible playoff games and terrible regular season games....just like he has had some great games.

Heck, if Butler does not make the interception in the endzone people are not talking about Brady in the same way. Instead, they are talking about 2 INTs and a 10 point swing. So, I think you need to take a step back and look at this more objectively.

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He also took Reche Caldwell to the AFC championship and probably would have taken him to the SB if not for the team being ravaged by the flu in the days leading to the game and thus completely running out of gas in the second half.

Nunchucks said:

Heck, if Butler does not make the interception in the endzone people are not talking about Brady in the same way. Instead, they are talking about 2 INTs and a 10 point swing. So, I think you need to take a step back and look at this more objectively.

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But you could say if Tyree does not make a one in a million catch and WW dosent drop one he should have had.....

You are being objective?

Its hard to talk about Rodgers vs Brady. IMO as someone else stated Brady and Montana is the real all time discussion.

Rodgers is great possibly the best physically playing right now he honestly reminds me more of Steve Young.

Both sat early behind a legend. Then had great success. Both incredible athletes scrambling/running/throwing.

Young suffered from obviously playing on the usfl/Bucs then behind Monatana then ulitmately retired early because of injuries.

Rodgers full story is yet to be written. IMO I like Packers/NE next year in the SB.

Bruins29 said:

But you could say if Tyree does not make a one in a million catch and WW dosent drop one he should have had.....

You are being objective?

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You are making my point. Stuff happens that is beyond the QBs control.

Nunchucks said:

Heck, if Butler does not make the interception in the endzone people are not talking about Brady in the same way. Instead, they are talking about 2 INTs and a 10 point swing. So, I think you need to take a step back and look at this more objectively.

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