Seattle's dynasty starts tomorrow folks

Seattle's dynasty starts tomorrow

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Street Scum said:

It's going to be an epic battle tomorrow Pats fans. Nothing like our shellacking of Ol' Noodle Arm and the Broncos last year. It could come down to which one of these great coaches makes the most brilliant or gutsiest call.

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You were prophetic.

First of all, I disagree with those who say the pass play was a really bad call. But, I don't want to get into that since it's been discussed so much (there's an amazing article in today's NYTimes on this to which I only refer you because you are a Seattle fan and therefore probably reasonably intelligent...I'd never suggest it to a Jets fan because it has a lot of big words and doesn't have any pictures:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/03/u...-goal-line-is-defensible.html?ref=sports&_r=0).

[My personal view is that they should have planned on two runs and put the game in Lynch's hands, but I don't think it's as obvious as others are saying. But I digress...]

Here's what I wanted to say before I got distracted:

The real point here isn't the wisdom of the Seattle call, but the brilliance of the Pats coaching staff.

Belichick was brilliant when he didn't call a Timeout in the last sequence, leaving it to Carroll to decide whether to run it twice using his one remaining time out if necessary or go with three plays that had to include a pass because he only had the one time out.

Also, BB was brilliant the week before the game when he personally coached up Butler on the very same play to the extent that Butler (a) read the formation and (b) read Russell Wilson's eyes before the ball was snapped...the latter being a point that has been overlooked; Favre, Brady or Peyton would never telegraph a play like that...they'd have all been looking to the left or back towards Lynch to freeze the D for a Play Action gambit.

The result was that Butler knew what was going to happen and both he and Browner knew what they had to do: Browner didn't let Kearse get a jump to push him into Butler's route and Butler accelerated immediately to the point where the ball was going to be, not to where Lockette was. That's the most amazing thing when you watch the replay a couple hundred times...Wilson hasn't even taken his arm back to throw and Butler is running to where the ball will be thrown.

This thread ... the karma ... IT BURNS!

PatsFanSince74 said:

You were prophetic.

First of all, I disagree with those who say the pass play was a really bad call. But, I don't want to get into that since it's been discussed so much (there's an amazing article in today's NYTimes on this to which I only refer you because you are a Seattle fan and therefore probably reasonably intelligent...I'd never suggest it to a Jets fan because it has a lot of big words and doesn't have any pictures:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/03/u...-goal-line-is-defensible.html?ref=sports&_r=0).

[My personal view is that they should have planned on two runs and put the game in Lynch's hands, but I don't think it's as obvious as others are saying. But I digress...]

Here's what I wanted to say before I got distracted:

The real point here isn't the wisdom of the Seattle call, but the brilliance of the Pats coaching staff.

Belichick was brilliant when he didn't call a Timeout in the last sequence, leaving it to Carroll to decide whether to run it twice using his one remaining time out if necessary or go with three plays that had to include a pass because he only had the one time out.

Also, BB was brilliant the week before the game when he personally coached up Butler on the very same play to the extent that Butler (a) read the formation and (b) read Russell Wilson's eyes before the ball was snapped...the latter being a point that has been overlooked; Favre, Brady or Peyton would never telegraph a play like that...they'd have all been looking to the left or back towards Lynch to freeze the D for a Play Action gambit.

The result was that Butler knew what was going to happen and both he and Browner knew what they had to do: Browner didn't let Kearse get a jump to push him into Butler's route and Butler accelerated immediately to the point where the ball was going to be, not to where Lockette was. That's the most amazing thing when you watch the replay a couple hundred times...Wilson hasn't even taken his arm back to throw and Butler is running to where the ball will be thrown.

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After further thought, I'm not blaming Carroll anymore for the call. His reasoning about running Lynch on 3rd and 4th downs with a timeout in between if need be made sense to me. I now look at it more as a great play by Butler and poor execution on our part. Kearse should have been able to move Browner into position to make Butler take a less direct path to the ball, Lockette should have gone more aggressively to the ball, and last but not least, Wilson should have saw Butler and back-shouldered the ball to Lockette.
Anyway, it was a shocker to us Seahawk fans. We pretty much know now what you Pat fans went through in your tough SB losses. Congratulations and I think we're going to meet again next Feb.

Street Scum said:

After further thought, I'm not blaming Carroll anymore for the call. His reasoning about running Lynch on 3rd and 4th downs with a timeout in between if need be made sense to me. I now look at it more as a great play by Butler and poor execution on our part. Kearse should have been able to move Browner into position to make Butler take a less direct path to the ball, Lockette should have gone more aggressively to the ball, and last but not least, Wilson should have saw Butler and back-shouldered the ball to Lockette.
Anyway, it was a shocker to us Seahawk fans. We pretty much know now what you Pat fans went through in your tough SB losses. Congratulations and I think we're going to meet again next Feb.

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Thanks.

Yes, it was execution. And, I'll only reiterate I'm surprised that all the blame has been put on the coaches and that there hasn't been more reaction among Seattle fans to the fact that Butler now says that Wilson was only looking at Lockette and Kearse before the snap. He telegraphed the play and moved it from a high percentage completion to a pick. He also then didn't react to the fact that the play was broken when Browner jammed Kearse and decide to throw the ball away with time for two more plays with the timeout. There are only a handful of QB's who would have had the instinct to make that read, so it's a tough criticism to level at the guy....but there's no doubt that he should not have telegraphed the play beforehand.

If he had "back shouldered" it, it would have likely been an incompletion and not a pick, because of the force of Butler's collision when the ball arrived, but they would have had two more plays with a timeout remaining. But, to do that, he would have had to read the fact that the play was broken beforehand.

I've posted out here that I don't take pleasure in the misery of (most) Seahawks' fans (there are a few who have been obnoxious, but 95% of your fans are like us, you care about your team) because of what we went through in 2007/08 and, to a lesser extent, in 11/12.

Yes, I can imagine you guys would love to play the SB in Levi's stadium; really in your face to the niners.

festy1986 said:

I wanna make it clear that I do respect Seattle tho. They have a really good team and it takes a lot of skill with some luck to get to two straight super bowls so I don't want it to appear as if I'm sticking my nose up to that accomplishment

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The road was so easy for them. 9 scrubs at QB for their last 9 games of the season. The sorriest teams in the playoffs. Carolina had no business in the playoffs. Green Bay had no business in that game, after cheating Dallas. Dallas had no business in that game after cheating Detroit and Detroit doesn't really strike me as being as great as people say they are. With that being said, I'm convinced Dallas would've beat Seattle had they played that game. Seattle ran into the GOAT and got their tails beat, run Beast Mode at the end or not.

Yup just like Rams in SB36 tryin to go back2back and I remember Prohl on Rams sayin before game gonna witness a dynasty today. He was right except it wasn't for Rams it was start of Pats 3 outta 4 yr SB Run. We have a habit of ending others and starting our own.