Bigger Fail: Carroll's Last Pass or Buttfumble?

Both are epic fails, but which is bigger?

That last pass was as likely to be intercepted as the tipped pass was to be caught. Butt (see what I did there?) for #21, the Seahawks are celebrating. Amazing, Unexpected, and Super -- what an ending. It was providence not bad coaching.

wizwor said:

That last pass was as likely to be intercepted as the tipped pass was to be caught. Butt (see what I did there?) for #21, the Seahawks are celebrating. Amazing, Unexpected, and Super -- what an ending. It was providence not bad coaching.

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Also, Browner recognized the play and stuffed the pick on Butler, giving him a free lane to Lockette. The play was called by the OC not Pete Carroll (Bevlin?). The play makes some sense in time management. The QB threw the ball a little high and Lockette came in soft. Poop happens.

Now the Buttfumble was pure gold.

There was logic behind that pass play. Carroll even stated that they were going to run on third down if the pass had fell incomplete, which is more likely than an int from a rookie db having to run around a pick.

Buttfumble is on the opposite spectrum of something like the Tyree catch. It may never be reproduced for all we know. Pure fail.

Butt Fumble is the bigger fail. You hang onto the ball. Always.

Inside slant on the 1 gets the TD 7/10 times, and 2/10 it's an incompletion. Malcom Butler fought for that ball and made an amazing play on a risky playcall. Sure they might have made it with Lynch, but if all anyone ever did on the 1 was run it then everyone would stack the line, and then when everyones stacking the line expecting the run it makes sense to pass. +with passing there's the inside slant and outside fade, which are both pretty high percentage throws with low risk of giving up the pick. We just happened to have a rookie here that jumped the route and fought for the ball

honestly, I am already sick of this topic. It's overshadowing a great Super Bowl.

Belichick made a brilliant decision when he moved Browner onto Mathews and put Butler on Kearse.

he made another brilliant move when he abstained from taking a timeout, limiting Seattle's play selection and not allowing subs.

Lynch was doing well, but the Patriots had success the whole game stopping him on obvious running downs. Lynch was 1/3 on 3rd down. He was not very good on the goal line this season either. ESPN likes to pretend he is some otherworldly 'beast', but he has his negatives too. Obvious running situations are it.

The Seahawks did not have the goal line unit in. They were too small to run. If they take a timeout, they lose a potential play.

Carrol made the right call. Wilson threw the ball too high. Lockett didn't adjust correctly. Malcom Butler did. So, just like every game, the win was decided by the good plays. Not bad ones.

Seriously, Belichicks decision to let the clock run down was one of the greatest coaching decisions in football history. He mind!@#$ed Carrol. The Seahawks had to go to the line and run the the personnel New England wanted on the field, not them. Give the Patriots all the credit.

This is another story to drown out Brady and the Patriots records and accomplishments. People don't want to talk about those, so they beat stupid garbage like a drum.

I do not get why this play call is getting so much hate. Slant on the goal line is a bread and butter TD play.

Butler made an awesome play, he deserves all the credit in the world. The play call was fine.

Aßßynormal said:

Also, Browner recognized the play and stuffed the pick on Butler, giving him a free lane to Lockette. The play was called by the OC not Pete Carroll (Bevlin?). The play makes some sense in time management. The QB threw the ball a little high and Lockette came in soft. Poop happens.

Now the Buttfumble was pure gold.

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also, let's not forget that Belichick forced them to throw at least once by NOT calling a timeout. he not only put the game in the hands of his D, but even at that moment he had the presence of mind not to do what many were thinking he should do.

I'm sick of this too. Blame Pete Carrol. Haven't heard Wilson's name mentioned once for throwing the pick - not that it was a bad pass- just a sick play by Butler. I'm still processing what happened.

Nunchucks said:

I do not get why this play call is getting so much hate. Slant on the goal line is a bread and butter TD play.

Butler made an awesome play, he deserves all the credit in the world. The play call was fine.

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After thinking about it. you're right.
By calling a pass, Carroll figured, with one timeout, he could call two more running plays after an incompletion.
The "fail" was on Wilson. He should have recognized the situation after Browner took out Kearse who was supposed to set the pick on Butler. At that point the play was blown. He should have thrown the ball away.

I gotta defend Petey here. The call was made by the same OC who noticed Arrington was a mismatch and did a good job all year. He was publicly taking the bullet for him and the QB who should have audible called out of it. Behind closed doors he probably went ballistic. That is what a boss should do.

RecoveringCowboy said:

Both are epic fails, but which is bigger?

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the butt fumble. butler had to make a great play on that int or it would have been a td.

Passing at the 1 was the most colossoly moronic coaching decision in SB history- maybe NFL history.

I finally figured it out, with the clock running down, one timeout and goal line defense in, if they ran and failed there then they were stuck throwing the next two times against a non goal line defense. It does make some sense - as does Bill letting the clock tick down - but I still would have run it.

I don't blame that on Carroll. That was a perfectly fine pass and play.

Why didn't Wilson audible out of the play if it was such a bad call?

doesntmatter1 said:

There was logic behind that pass play. Carroll even stated that they were going to run on third down if the pass had fell incomplete, which is more likely than an int from a rookie db having to run around a pick.

Buttfumble is on the opposite spectrum of something like the Tyree catch. It may never be reproduced for all we know. Pure fail.

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This one isn't even close in my opinion. The bigger epic fail by far goes to both Carroll and Wilson.

The Jets and Sanchez were only playing for pride. The Seahawks were playing for pride and the Super Bowl.

There's a reason why it took Wilson until the last 5 minutes of the 1st half to complete his first pass - and even then, they ended the half with 14 points, tied for the lead.

The Seahawks were averaging nearly 6 yards per carry for the game. They need one yard to win the Super Bowl and lay claim to a dynasty and have several downs to get it as they still have a time out to use

So what does Carroll do? Calls for a passing play of course.

If I'm Wilson I get that play call, I audible and hand off. Carroll is a better coach than when he was in New England but he's basically been blessed by having some amazing players both at USC and Seattle and barring that, isn't even in the discussion as a good coach, let alone great one.

If I'm the Seahawks I do what the Patriots did with Carroll back before he was fired - IGNORE HIM as Bledsoe did when he saw Carroll call a time out on 4th and 10 against the Fins on MNF but then hit Coates for the first down. (That was the beginning of the end for Carroll here as it was clear his players had no respect for his coaching calls - and one might see the same thing begin to happen in Seattle after this epic fail)

Sure, I know Pete can say "well, we could have run it again if it's incomplete" - but you simply don't attempt a high risk play in that situation when you've got THE BEST LOW RISK SURE FIRE RB IN THE NFL at your disposal... again, they're averaging nearly 6 yards per carry and they need a low risk one yard to win the game with several attempts to punch it in

Epic fail of Epic proportions in the biggest game in football with the entire world watching

Pete Carroll wins this one and Wilson has learned his lesson - ignore the coach the next time a stupid play call comes in

Don't expect Carroll at future press conferences to say words like: "I'll pass on that one..."

How about blaming Wilson for throwing that, given the situation he could have done any number of things besides forcing a ball in traffic. Credit to Butler for diagnosing the play and timing it perfectly. Credit to NE coaching to not call time out and have the right defense out there, unconventional not what I would have done, but worked out brilliantly. Disagree with pinning it on Seattle coaching.

Buttfumble. There was no problem with the Seattle play call.

I feel like this is comparing apples and oranges a bit