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The Gr8est said:

Roger Goodell and Mike Kensil are both league officials too.

Just sayin'

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what I'm saying is that Florio is directly contradicting what Blandino, the head of officials said on Fri. If anyone would know whether the balls had been logged at halftime it would be Blandino. I get what you're saying about league officials but if you have to go with someone on this I'm going with the lesser of two evils.

Hoodie said:

what I'm saying is that Florio is directly contradicting what Blandino, the head of officials said on Fri. If anyone would know whether the balls had been logged at halftime it would be Blandino. I get what you're saying about league officials but if you have to go with someone on this I'm going with the lesser of two evils.

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The whole lesser of the evils discussion could result in a whole new mega thread.

Hoodie said:

what I'm saying is that Florio is directly contradicting what Blandino, the head of officials said on Fri. If anyone would know whether the balls had been logged at halftime it would be Blandino. I get what you're saying about league officials but if you have to go with someone on this I'm going with the lesser of two evils.

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Not at all. Blandino said pregame data was not recorded. Florio is saying half time readings were recorded. Where is the confusion?

Froob said:

How does this work with physics if they started at 12.5?

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Easy. Remember Belichick talking about how what they did to prepare the balls was part of it? Forget where I saw it (maybe the PBPF thread?) but recall seeing that it would raise the temp inside the football pretty significantly (to 85 degrees?).

Figure they might have several people working on it, but doubt they can do all 12 balls at the same time. So the ones they did first got a chance to cool down. When the pressure was set all the balls had the same pressure but different temperatures. Then when they went outside they all responded differently. The ones closest to field temp lost less pressure than the ones that were warmer. Basically the same reason the Colts balls behaved differently than the Pats footballs.

Bobsyouruncle said:

They didn't say they used 30 balls. I think his point was just that the balls were not retained as evidence. They were returned to the team into normal circulation. Now as they try to go back and investigate they have 6 extra balls because nobody tracked which balls were used. Even if they find a low ball, they can't say if it's a ball from a month ago.

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Wow! Let me go and read it again, if this is the case, then this is an Onion piece written to be directed by Goodell.

Fixit said:

I'm pretty sure he came in here to claim some moral high ground. Which is why it was stupid.

But, if we're going to monitor what other posters should/should not be talking about, I'm certain there will be plenty of volunteers.

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Anyone that woke up each day the past 2 weeks wondering what the latest deflate-gate news was, would know they could use some therapy....that goes for all fans, not just NEP fans.

vuudu said:

Guys, I am the only one who sees this new leak very troubling to the Patriots? How did the Pats have 30 balls in circulation with the ref's initial? There was only supposed to be 24 balls in total. The knew allegation might be that the guy swap the balls with old game balls by Anderson.

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Where does this talk of 30 balls comefrom? FirstI've seen anything about it is this thread. Somebody muddying the waters even more?

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PatriotsReign said:

Anyone that woke up each day the past 2 weeks wondering what the latest deflate-gate news was, would know they could use some therapy....that goes for all fans, not just NEP fans.

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Is that any different than wondering about Patriots news every day, Mr. 27,000 Posts In Eight Years?

I do enjoy how you're apparently posting from the same high horse, though.

n6249c said:

Where does this talk of 30 balls comefrom? FirstI've seen anything about it is this thread. Somebody muddying the waters even more?

Link please...

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It's in the OP, NFL link, last paragraph.

One other nugget of note from Rapoport as it relates to evidence in the investigation: Many of the footballs that were used in the AFC title game were circulated back in with New England's other game-day footballs. Because the team played in two other games this year that Walt Anderson refereed, the Patriots have about 30 footballs with his initials on them.

This whole sham has been criminal. Kraft should file lawsuits and use this same crap media to go to war. It is not acceptable for these leeches with no accomplishments to slander people who have worked hard their entire lives to achieve the glory of their dreams. The mediots should be tarred and feathered.

SVN said:

Now Florio on NBC says that the football PSI were logged at halftime of both the colts and patriots.

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And that contradicts Blandino.

Fixit said:

Is that any different than wondering about Patriots news every day?

I do enjoy how you're apparently posting from the same high horse, though.

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If the first thing we think about evry morning is Patriots news, we're in big trouble.

I'd say worrying about deflategate is akin to worrying about Tom's marriage if a rumor came out he was getting divorced.

Like I wrote in another post, we had fans going insane when Randy Moss was arrested for allegedly abusing his girlfriend. Some of our members posted that they called the police station in Florida to inquire about his arrest....to me, that's taking it WAY past the level of insanity.\

My point is, we need to keep this in perspective and remain rational....none of us need to do physics tests or make phone calls on the Patriots behalf.

RayClay said:

Curran piling on. Goodell a fraud. In a related story, scientists find water to be wet.

Anyway, a good slam. Better late than never.

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/curran-goodell-deflategate-stance-shows-hes-fraud

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I've commented on the physics, I'm a physics prof and I completely agree with Palm Beach (a chemistry prof) and numerous other scientists, the idea gas law alone predicts a 1.1 psi decrease for a temperature decrease of 75F to 51F (a conservative assumption), and it would likely be more if the balls got wet.

However, let me talk about the psychology instead of the physics, and deal with pure speculation instead of facts. I think that the Curran analysis sounds very plausible. And, I would like to add that once it came out from numerous scientists that the deflation would be absolutely predicted from elementary freshman physics (well after the initial leaks), I think that Goodell's entire focus (as well as that of most of the Mediots) became to try to not look any more stupid that they already do. The goal became to deflect, leak, never answer any questions. Leak, leak, and talk about integrity of the game, with the goal to mask and deflect how stupid this entire "investigation" has been.

I personally expect that next time there is some giant news item dominating news coverage (the outbreak of some new war or aliens landing in New York or something about the Kardashians) then there will be some below the radar news release at Saturday at 3:00 am that nothing conclusive was found.

Just my opinion, pure conjecture.

upstater1 said:

This is what's going to happen.

The NFL is going to fine the Patriots based on a preponderance of the evidence.

Then Kraft is going to have a 2 minute news conference and he's going to take no questions.

He'll say, "Behind me you see enhanced video of the Colts equipment manager tampering with the ball that jackson intercepted. He hands it over the the Colts GM Grigson and Mr. Kensil from the NFL. The Colts tampered with the ball. This is why it was underinflated to that extent. I reject the NFL's fine and will never pay it, I insist this evidence (which the investigators deliberately overlooked as the NFL office tried to pin it on us) shows who the real culprits are, and I am fully confident that once the NFL offices are cleared out of current employees and the commissioner's contract is expunged that the new administrator's of our league will issue a punishment to the true malefactor. By the way, I look forward to future negotiations with our cable network partners."

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Actually, if the NFL fines the Patriots, it will be based on the preponderance of accusations, not evidence as there is no evidence that the Pats did anything wrong. As I understand Goodells speech on Saturday, one only needs to accuse the Patriots (and it seemed to be directed solely at the Patriots) and the league will fine them to maintain the "integrity" of the game, regardless of the merits of the accusation. You can expect a lot of accusations about the Patriots cheating going forward.

PatriotsReign said:

If the first thing we think about evry morning is Patriots news, we're in big trouble.

I'd say worrying about deflategate is akin to worrying about Tom's marriage if a rumor came out he was getting divorced.

Like I wrote in another post, we had fans going insane when Randy Moss was arrested for allegedly abusing his girlfriend. Some of our members posted that they called the police station in Florida to inquire about his arrest....to me, that's taking it WAY past the level of insanity.\

My point is, we need to keep this in perspective and remain rational....none of us need to do physics tests or make phone calls on the Patriots behalf.

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No one mentioned any of that stuff, so stop moving the goal posts. NEP is irritated that others would dare to discuss new info in a big story.

I am beginning to think there is something to the ball boy deflating the balls in the bathroom. The guy is "elderly". What elderly guy can urinate in 98 seconds? My grandfather takes five minutes if he is quick. The smoking gun.

FibSeq13478 said:

Not at all. Blandino said pregame data was not recorded. Florio is saying half time readings were recorded. Where is the confusion?

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Nope. According to Jeff Howe the balls were not logged at half time.

Hoodie said:

Nope. According to Jeff Howe the balls were not logged at half time. View attachment 8526 View attachment 8526

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All of this is irrelevant now. If the Pats balls mostly were 1 PSI under 12.5 PSI or less and the Colts' balls were in low range of legal, both teams balls could have dropped the same amount depending on how they were inflated.

Rob0729 said:

All of this is irrelevant now. If the Pats balls mostly were 1 PSI under 12.5 PSI or less and the Colts' balls were in low range of legal, both teams balls could have dropped the same amount depending on how they were inflated.

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Not my point. I was responding to the issue of whether the psi was recorded at half-time. It wasn't.