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Junior Seau, 7 others in 2015 HoF


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Bettis getting in is dubious, but at the expense of Orlando Pace, it's damn near a crime. Pace was one of the most dominating players of his era at any position, a force of nature who basically made possible all those 7 and 9 step drops Mike Martz had Warner and Bulger taking. The stats for the Rams offense when he was healthy versus when he wasn't were jaw dropping. He was the best player on the Greatest Show on Turf, and he shouldn't have to wait at all to get in to where he belongs.

The Hall likes to mess up the inductions of anyone who is not a QB, WR, or RB, however, so I'm very pleased that Will Shields got in, even if he had to wait a little. What an absolute monster Shields was. The Priest Holmes-era Chiefs had Willie Roaf, Shields, Tim Grunhard, Brian Waters and John Tait left to right on what was one of the best, and CERTAINLY the most unheralded, offensive lines of the last 20 years.
 
Great for Junior Seau to get in. Who will introduce him, and who will give his speech posthumously?
 
Bettis getting in is dubious, but at the expense of Orlando Pace, it's damn near a crime. Pace was one of the most dominating players of his era at any position, a force of nature who basically made possible all those 7 and 9 step drops Mike Martz had Warner and Bulger taking. The stats for the Rams offense when he was healthy versus when he wasn't were jaw dropping. He was the best player on the Greatest Show on Turf, and he shouldn't have to wait at all to get in to where he belongs.

The Hall likes to mess up the inductions of anyone who is not a QB, WR, or RB, however, so I'm very pleased that Will Shields got in, even if he had to wait a little. What an absolute monster Shields was. The Priest Holmes-era Chiefs had Willie Roaf, Shields, Tim Grunhard, Brian Waters and John Tait left to right on what was one of the best, and CERTAINLY the most unheralded, offensive lines of the last 20 years.

I agree 100%. Pace created opportunity while Bettis was handed a lot of his. TD vulture on a very good and very popular team (with the media as much as with fans).

Pace should have been a lock. Bettis should be on the outside looking in just like the other backs from his era with similar stats that will not make the cut.
 
Glad to see Seau got in, I hope it was from his obvious talents on the field and not because he committed suicide..

BB and him were close, wonder if he will say a few words when he receives the award..

Agree about Pace over Bettis, but when is the last time you saw Pace on the TV???

Really glad Warner did not make it... whyny self righteous bytch, who lives in a time warp.
 
Polian is a ****ing joke as a contributor he's hurt this league so much.
 
With Warner and Polian I admit bias since I can't stand either one but I will begrudgingly admit both are worthy and Warner will eventually get in. Pace was the biggest snub IMO.

Bettis I don't think my bias against him is why he shouldn't get in. His post season splits are absolutely awful. A HOF player doesn't average 3.39 YPC for a career in the post season. 2001 vs the Patriots .89 YPC suck on that with your over inflated lips you fraud. 96 vs the Pats in the playoffs 3.31 YPC and 97 2.68 YPC. 04 was a banner year at 3.76 YPC. Maybe you should look at your own performance and forget about cameras.

My favorite Bettis moment and I don't remember if it was the 96 or 97 playoff game but Lawyer came up and drilled him for no gain and the proceeded to mock the bus dance. Bettis started whining to Milloy and he got up in his face and said I'll be here all day.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BettJe00/gamelog/post/
 
Not happy to see Bill Polian get in, though I will admit that is primarily due to looking at things from the perspective of a fan of the Patriots.

My sentiments exactly.
 
Maybe if the AHole hadn't thrown that pick-6 at the end of the first half in SB43, then I would give him more consideration. That one feckin play cost Arizona the game.

So did the uncalled block in the back on that same play.

I know this sounds like what a silly Patriot hater would say about the Pats but I still believe to this day that it's highly dubious that Warner's "fumble" near the end of the game wasn't even reviewed. I don't think it was clear that he fumbled. There was an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty against the Steelers so if that fumble was overturned, the Cardinals had the ball at the Steeler 29 with one last shot at a game winning TD...and with a great jump ball catcher like Larry Fitzgerald I think they had a real shot.

Even if the review upheld the call, I would accept it because at least there was a review. That didn't even happen. Felt like the fix was in.

As for Warner's candidacy it's been said already. HOFers need to be consistently excellent. Warner disappeared for over half his career. Inducting him into the HOF would lower the bar on the excellence that should be required for Canton. Then again Bettis got in so who knows.
 
Here is an interesting article on what happened with the voting, from Hall of Fame voter Clark Judge.

Recap: Pulling back the curtain on the Hall of Fame's Class of 2015

A few takeaways:

MOST POPULAR DECISION
Tough to determine, but my guess is it’s Jerome Bettis making it. “The Bus” had been stuck in traffic for years, but the Steelers … and presenter Ed Bouchette from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette … made a compelling argument when they pointed out that 77 of his 91 touchdowns were inside the 10-yard line. “Those are the toughest 10 yards in football,” former GM Ernie Accorsi once told me. “Those are the yards that win championships.”​

That's a nice sound bite, but isn't it stating the obvious? Don't the vast majority of touchdown runs come from inside the ten? I'm disappointed that this factoid would sway Hall of Fame voters.


- Apparently it was an either/or with Tim Brown vs Marvin Harrison. I don't really like that; shouldn't Brown get in versus all the other nominees? Why did there have to be a player at a certain position? On the plus side the voters took into account that Brown mostly had average quarterbacks passing the ball to him, while Harrison was in a dome with Peyton in an era that inflated passing and receiving stats. Harrison was also hurt by this:

In 16 playoff games, Harrison had just two touchdown catches, and you could feel the air go out of the room when that point was made.​


- It doesn't look good for Don Corryell ever getting in to the Hall of Fame. I disagree, I think he deserves it as an innovator; voters should look beyond his record and lack of a championship.

15. Coryell suffers because of a 3-6 playoff record and no Super Bowls, but I don’t want to hear it. George Allen is in the Hall with a 2-7 playoff record. I look at Coryell as one of the game’s great innovators, someone who changed the landscape of the league with his imagination and his schemes, but I was in the minority. This was no surprise. Only now I’m virtually certain he never makes it.​


- Same holds true for kicker Morten Andersen. How do you keep the all-time leading scorer in NFL history out of the Hall of Fame? Do these voters really believe a good kicker makes no difference?


- And it doesn't look good for John Lynch either. He had the second shortest debate (11:43); the only one that was shorter was for Junior Seau. He is also hurt by his position; maybe the voters are waiting for Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu. The guy was one of the best at safety when he played, and one of three players that defined the best defense of the late 90's/early 2000's.

11. John Lynch gets burned by the position he plays: safety. Yes, he was terrific. He was a nine-time Pro Bowler. But the last safety to be discussed by the Hall was Cliff Harris in 2004. The last to be elected was Paul Krause in 1998. And the last to play was Ken Houston in 1980. No, that doesn’t make it right, but that’s the way it is … for now, at least.​


- Regarding Bill Polian, I'm assuming it was no slam dunk. The voters had the longest debate of the 15 finalists on his nomination, at 50:40. If it took that long then there must have been a lot of voters that initially were not going to vote for him, that had to be swayed.


- Kurt Warner had the second longest debate (39:23) and Tony Dungy was next at 32:48. Both Pats haters made it to the final ten, and unfortunately both look like they will get in soon. In my opinion Dungy vastly under achieved with the talent assembled by Rich McKay in Tampa. If Jimmy Johnson and Terrell Davis are kept out for relatively short careers, shouldn't the same reasoning keep Warner - who started 12 games only four times in his career - out of the Hall?


- Just like Tim Brown vs Marvin Harrison at WR, the debate was between Charles Haley and Kevin Greene. Again, why does it have to be one player at this position, one at another? No wonder safeties and kickers have no shot. If both are deserving, put them both in; if others at another position are more deserving, then put neither in.


- The five that made it to the final round but did not get in were Greene, Dungy, Warner, Harrison and Orlando Pace. The good news based on this column is that Pace will get in very soon. The bad news is that it looks like Warner will as well.
 
Wow knew Marvin was a no show in the playoffs but TWO touchdowns? That's as many as Amendola and Vrabel....I wonder if that'll keep him out. He truly was a Colt, regular season superstar, Danny Phantom in the playoffs.
 
Bettis had a career yards per carry average under 4, and only like three or four seasons where he averaged more than 3.6 yards per carry. His best years were his first two in the league.

Pace is a massive, unforgivable snub. Warner should make it as well. I'm not a huge Tim Brown fan, either... kind of a volume guy like Bettis (though I thought Cris Carter was similar).
 
at least the Hall shyt on Kurt "bagger boy" Warner
Just waiting for his first "The Pats stole my rightful place as a first ballot pick by cheating in SB XXXVI."
 
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