Not so idle thoughts - The wartime edition

reflexblue · Jan 31, 2015

patfanken said:
Here's your problem, Blue. You are thinking like a rational, smart individual, not like a paranoid delusional. If you were a smart strategic indivual there would have been a dozen things that would have been much smarter and better for yourself that what he's done.

Now that i have what i believe is a motive for goodell waging war on the pats i agree with you. Two days ago i reserve judgment because i couldn't find a motive for goody to go off the rails in the first place, but after his press conference i believe i have. He is going to use the pats as a whipping boy to show that he has Integrity. Integrity which he lost over the ray rice fiasco and which he mentioned no fewer than Eight times during his press conference.. What better way to do it than to come down hard on what is the most envied and hated team in the nfl for what amounts to jay walking (if deflation actually happened which i doubt) This guy will throw Kraft and the Pats under the bus to save his career, at least for now. With friends like this Bob Kraft doesn't need enemies.

Bella*chick · Jan 31, 2015

https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/the-last-days-of-football/

If you have not read the article at the link above, you should. It is a good, very good summary of the league and why this issue may have blown up as it did.

Mark. · Jan 31, 2015

Bella*chick said:
https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/the-last-days-of-football/

If you have not read the article at the link above, you should. It is a good, very good summary of the league and why this issue may have blown up as it did.

Great read. Thanks!

Galeb · Jan 31, 2015

Bella*chick said:
https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/the-last-days-of-football/

If you have not read the article at the link above, you should. It is a good, very good summary of the league and why this issue may have blown up as it did.

That's a good article. A couple of bits stood out to me:

"revenues are up 65 percent since Goodell took over, even while the number of viewers under the age of 50 is down 10 percent." - That is a very concerning number. It is pretty obvious that the NFL's focus on short term profits is seriously endangering the long term well-being of the game.

"If we consider playoff victories as a scarce necessity that must be spread evenly to maintain national interest in the sport, then each team should average a playoff victory once every three years; Belichick and Brady have averaged nearly two per year. If we take appearances in both conference and league championships as the highest value assets the NFL distributes to its franchises, there have been seventy-eight such assets over the past thirteen years (twenty-six Super Bowl slots, fifty-two conference championships) to spread between thirty-two teams, or, again, an average of a little more than two per team per decade. If you step back and think about it, if each team either got to the Super Bowl, or the game before the super bowl, twice a decade, that probably would make for a pretty happy and healthy league. Problem is the Patriots have fifteen such appearances, more than seven times what they should if the system is working. That rate of over-accumulation can be destabilizing, especially in a system where the only other kind of revenue, the real kind, is pretty tightly controlled." - It is truly amazing how successful the Pats have been under BB. In time, BB will be considered the best coach of all time.

reflexblue · Jan 31, 2015

Galeb said:
That's a good article. A couple of bits stood out to me:

"revenues are up 65 percent since Goodell took over, even while the number of viewers under the age of 50 is down 10 percent." - That is a very concerning number. It is pretty obvious that the NFL's focus on short term profits is seriously endangering the long term well-being of the game.

"If we consider playoff victories as a scarce necessity that must be spread evenly to maintain national interest in the sport, then each team should average a playoff victory once every three years; Belichick and Brady have averaged nearly two per year. If we take appearances in both conference and league championships as the highest value assets the NFL distributes to its franchises, there have been seventy-eight such assets over the past thirteen years (twenty-six Super Bowl slots, fifty-two conference championships) to spread between thirty-two teams, or, again, an average of a little more than two per team per decade. If you step back and think about it, if each team either got to the Super Bowl, or the game before the super bowl, twice a decade, that probably would make for a pretty happy and healthy league. Problem is the Patriots have fifteen such appearances, more than seven times what they should if the system is working. That rate of over-accumulation can be destabilizing, especially in a system where the only other kind of revenue, the real kind, is pretty tightly controlled." - It is truly amazing how successful the Pats have been under BB. In time, BB will be considered the best coach of all time.

I would have thought the viewership would have gone way up not down. the older viewsers grewup watching a different game than what exists today and has seen its greatest change under goodell. Under goodell pro football more resembles flag football in comparison to what it was in the 60s, 70's 80's 90's and the very early 2,000's.

PatsWickedPissah · Jan 31, 2015

Bella*chick said:
https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/the-last-days-of-football/

If you have not read the article at the link above, you should. It is a good, very good summary of the league and why this issue may have blown up as it did.

Interesting analysis of the league but I can have scant respect for the opinions of a writer so butt ignorant at this stage of what MUST happen to the gas inside a football when temperature drops.

Bella*chick · Jan 31, 2015

What I liked about it was it tied together all sorts of things I've seen mentioned elsewhere…..the greed of the owners ruining the game, the jealousy and hatred of a team that wins too much, the B.S. integrity of the game crap that everyone should see right through, even the clamoring media. And the fact that despite what appears to be a staggering popularity, the NFL is in trouble.

It is really good and everyone should take the time to read it.

Bella*chick · Jan 31, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
Interesting analysis of the league but I can have scant respect for the opinions of a writer so butt ignorant at this stage of what MUST happen to the gas inside a football when temperature drops.

I was able to overlook that because I believe that the writer's overall point…that what actually happened here doesn't matter at ALL because there are much bigger things afoot, is the important takeaway. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy never even clicked on any science articles because they didn't much matter to the overall point of this article.

PatsWickedPissah · Jan 31, 2015

He mentioned the rubbing raising the psi to the min and the Pats knowing it would "deflate" as it cooled so he's well aware, just took the opportunity to ignore what he knows to still put the Pats in a bad light.
Screw him.

The Gr8est · Jan 31, 2015

Bella*chick said:
What I liked about it was it tied together all sorts of things I've seen mentioned elsewhere…..the greed of the owners ruining the game, the jealousy and hatred of a team that wins too much, the B.S. integrity of the game crap that everyone should see right through, even the clamoring media. And the fact that despite what appears to be a staggering popularity, the NFL is in trouble.

It is really good and everyone should take the time to read it.

Agree with your comments, and I think this article brings some clarity to feelings that I have seen expressed by other Pats fans here that I share; I love the Pats but I hate the NFL.

I no longer watch the Superbowl unless the Pats are in it. It isn't that I am a poor sport or this is sour grapes, it is that I don't like what the league has become and won't support their ventures if the Pats aren't in it.

I love watching the Pats with BB and TFB defying the odds and the NFL's desire for shared mediocity. What the Pats have given us is something we may never get to see in the NFL again; true greatness.

Bella*chick · Jan 31, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
He mentioned the rubbing raising the psi to the min and the Pats knowing it would "deflate" as it cooled so he's well aware, just took the opportunity to ignore what he knows to still put the Pats in a bad light.
Screw him.

I do think that could have been worded better but the bottom line is that the NFL is big trouble. I also noticed the Mike Ditka wouldn't tell kids to play football story, but not much was said about it. It's the beginning of the end, though…and the owners are only speeding it along, trying to get while the gettin's good. The whole thing is sad, yet fascinating, especially from someone like me who grew up just loving football and now is getting truly uncomfortable with the sausage and how it is made.

RelocatedPatFan · Jan 31, 2015

patfanken said:
Unfortunately, Rob, what you have done here is called "whistling against the wind" The truth or justice have no place here. Its a witch hunt plan and simple.

I just read a piece where some Cinci guys claim the stats reveal that the reason the Pats fumble so infrequently is that they are deflating the balls. For proof they give BJGE - He never fumbled in 550 times with the Pats, but fumbled 5 times in the same number of snaps. See that's proof they were cheating.

The scary thing is that the media has made this into an actual scandal. ONE psi has been reduced the equivalent of the "black sox", Steroids, and point shaving. It would be laughable if I wasn't watching it play out myself. I weep for this country that it has become SOOOOOOO stupid that it didn't reject this entire thing out of hand. Instead it worsens almost every day. If I were a dictator in training I'd be leaping with joy knowing that if this country would buy this crap, they'd buy ANYTHING.

I think it was Ben Franklin who once said (but I could be wrong) that no one will ever come and take our democracy away from us. Rather we will be the ones to give it away.

PFK, I hate what you wrote here.

but only because it's true.

patfanken · Jan 31, 2015

reflexblue said:
Now that i have what i believe is a motive for goodell waging war on the pats i agree with you. Two days ago i reserve judgment because i couldn't find a motive for goody to go off the rails in the first place, but after his press conference i believe i have. He is going to use the pats as a whipping boy to show that he has Integrity. Integrity which he lost over the ray rice fiasco and which he mentioned no fewer than Eight times during his press conference.. What better way to do it than to come down hard on what is the most envied and hated team in the nfl for what amounts to jay walking (if deflation actually happened which i doubt) This guy will throw Kraft and the Pats under the bus to save his career, at least for now. With friends like this Bob Kraft doesn't need enemies.

I can't agree with you more. Every time he mentioned the word integrity I wanted to puke. It made it seem like the entire league's honor DEPENDED on getting the guys who gave us "deflategate". He made it seem like what the Pats were accused of was something less than mass terrorism, and just above child molesting., It is so preposterous it makes me want to cry with frustration, and saddens me that the general population is stupid enough to fall for it.

I used to comforted knowing that I'd probably be dead before the rampant stupidity in this country caused us to give away our democracy because we choose to have others tell us what to think; now I'm not so sure.

PP2 · Jan 31, 2015

Bella*chick said:
What I liked about it was it tied together all sorts of things I've seen mentioned elsewhere…..the greed of the owners ruining the game, the jealousy and hatred of a team that wins too much, the B.S. integrity of the game crap that everyone should see right through, even the clamoring media. And the fact that despite what appears to be a staggering popularity, the NFL is in trouble.

It is really good and everyone should take the time to read it.

I agree. I found his perspective very interesting- very rare to have that kind of out-of-the-box thinking and perception of the NFL.

What is going on in the NFL is also symptomatic of what is going on with this country, unfortunately.

The Gr8est · Jan 31, 2015

PP2 said:
I agree. I found his perspective very interesting- very rare to have that kind of out-of-the-box thinking and perception of the NFL.

What is going on in the NFL is also symptomatic of what is going on with this country, unfortunately.

Very true, and I won't name names to keep it from becoming political, but the same thing the media is successfully doing to the Pats they are also doing on a much larger scale to the country as a whole. The country is on the same fast track to oblivion as the NFL.

patfanken · Jan 31, 2015

RelocatedPatFan said:
PFK, I hate what you wrote here.

but only because it's true.

And every day it gets worse and not better. Now regardless of what happens tomorrow, we've been told it is going to be "another several weeks" before the so called "independent investigator" will issue a final report. A report I strongly believe with say absolutely nothing new. There WILL be nothing proven against the Pats, but there will be TONS of innuendo insinuating that "something" happened, and the league will issue a dozen new protocols, rules, procedures and memos to make sure the dastardly deed will never happen again.

The spygate stink is still going strong 8 years now, and to think, in that situation we actually did something wrong! (no matter how in consequential). How long as fans, are we going to have to endure this.

reflexblue · Jan 31, 2015

patfanken said:
I can't agree with you more. Every time he mentioned the word integrity I wanted to puke. It made it seem like the entire league's honor DEPENDED on getting the guys who gave us "deflategate". He made it seem like what the Pats were accused of was something less than mass terrorism, and just above child molesting., It is so preposterous it makes me want to cry with frustration, and saddens me that the general population is stupid enough to fall for it.

I used to comforted knowing that I'd probably be dead before the rampant stupidity in this country caused us to give away our democracy because we choose to have others tell us what to think; now I'm not so sure.

Agree, his self-righteousness made me nauseous, every time i heard integrity of the league i thought to myself 'the league has no integrity in case you haven't noticed'. But to anyone out there watching with half a brain would have noticed that like Joker posted earlier this week. 'The Emperor has no cloths"

Bella*chick · Jan 31, 2015

I've just simply started inserting "the value of the asset" just like the article suggested. It makes things a lot more honest.

PatsWickedPissah · Jan 31, 2015

Bob Kraft inadvertantly sowed the seeds of his franchise's eternal debasement by his passive acceptance of over the top punishment for unauthorized camera placement (at the very least he should have made Goodell be explicitly clear as to the specific nature of the offense, he stayed quiet) and compounding his error by sucking up to Goodell for years culminating in his public support of Goodell after he totally mishandled the Ray Rice situation.

A series of errors with monumental consequence that forever besmirches the career of his QB.

Bella*chick · Jan 31, 2015

I still cannot believe he went bumbling to Goodell's public defense after the Rice fiasco. I even shudder a little, involuntarily, every time I think of it. Just a colossally dumb thing to do, Bob.

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