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I wonder the fact that PSI's werent documented info was intentionally let out . Maybe they just want the ref to say it was legal at first with 12.5 and not legal with 10.5 . Their word against ours type scenario and then fine the team especially since BB has explained the reduce in pressure.
 
See my post. There were two rumors: one that officials decided (ahead of the game) to test the balls at half-time. The other leak, disproven by the Colts defense, that they requested the officials to look at the ball. Both defenders who intercepted Tom Brady laughed and denied being able to tell the difference, and only had the ball for 10 seconds before giving it to a Colts ball boy to hold for them.

Either way, it's a good idea to check the ball conditions in a very close Championship game (14-7 at half-time) where it's raining hard the entire time. The officials helped Tom Brady by inflating his footballs to manufacturer's recommendations (12.5 to 13.5). Following the rules to the letter, they also had to report to the NFL they found a discrepancy with footballs, per the rule, for tracking purposes (must always be done.) In this case, they found the balls had lost some air pressure and fixed it. They didn't write down the before-after numbers because that wasn't the point of the measurement. The cheating suspicion was media's invention.

Officials expected Colts fans to complain that officials helped the Patriots via InflateGate, but officials had no choice but to add air once they found the difference in a pre-planned measurement. (On the other hand, coaching the Ravens by telling them not to cover a player before the snap? That was the referee's own choice, not a rule. He really shouldn't have helped the Ravens like that.)

Officials expected Colts to complain, but officials wanted to go out of their way to score high marks. They never expected the media to call it DeflateGate, blaming the Patriots for a situation that probably never happened in the NFL, where the referees decide to measure the balls at half-time.


No Pagano was going to let the matter drop when they got their asses handed to them in the second half.


Then someone dropped a dime to Kravitz. I would bet that was the drug addict owner Isray. Once Kravitz put it out there and demanded the Pats be kicked out of the SB and BB banned from coaching the situation spun out of control and Pandora's box was opened.

Refs just look the balls over and lets the team play with the balls as long as they pass a 'visual' and squeeze test. The NFL is in CYA mode. The other owners are pissed on Isray for stirring up this sh*t storm.
 
They didn't write the pressure down is meaningless. If a cop says he say the defendant do something then it's his word against the defendent"s.

Refs are like cops to the league. If they say they guage them at 12.5 then that's it.
 
I have not heard the ref, Walt Anderson, say jack &$^% about the inflation of any footballs at any time. I've only seen unverifiable leaks from "league sources" that, coincidentally, only leak info damaging to the pats and weasel word obfuscation from the NFL.
 
I don't think so. SI's Michael McCann (a sports laywer) says the following:


(If Goodell wants to levy a punishment more severe than the penalties explicitly listed in the Constitution and Bylaws he can ask the Executive Committee for a harsher punishment, hence the reference to the EC in that quote)

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/21/ne...tegate-investigation-bill-belichick-tom-brady

However if the ball boy wants to sue the league for millions and drag all of their behind the curtain dealings out into the open there is nothing stopping him.
 
This bears repeating, for emphasis:

Blandino said the referee does not log the PSI during the pregame ball check. They're either approved or disapproved.

And there you have it according to the rules the referee shall be the sole judge of whether the ball is approved or not. Regardless of what the actual PSI is.image.jpg
 
what a joke of a league. they should give us the colts/ravens 1st round picks for this ********.

kraft should sue everyone for slander. biggest non story ever....**** the haters

they hate us cause they aint us
 
where's kravitz and that idiot doyle??/ hahahaha kravitz is a washed up journalist looking for a story
 
So Blandino also said Solder's TD was an illegal play and should have been penalized?
Actually, this is true. Fleming was declared as eligible on the previous play. Normally, to revert to ineligible status, he should have came off the field for the play where Solder caught the TD. So officially this should have been declared an illegal formation.
 
This league is rotten at its core. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Who has absolute power in this "league"? It's a joke. A sham. Now we KNOW the "election" of Despicabledell to the position of "commissioner" was nothing more than a PR dog and pony show. These billionaires held a summit like the mobsters did at Apalachin in the 50's only the billionaire boys got away scot free.Now we ALL know why Kensil quit the Jets after 20 years to become 2nd in command to Goodell.

I question everything that has occurred since. I think I'm done with this sham until it is investigated by federal law enforcement authorities.
 
Then we definitely disagree because I don't think the truth is in the middle at all. I don't believe the Patriots tampered with the balls period, and that's the only thing that matters and the only thing they can never sanctioned for. And I think it is disgraceful that the league is publicly convicting the ball boy with no evidence of wrongdoing at all.

I'm saying that I think the truth is in the middle of the two extreme views that people are taking. That doesn't have anything to do with whether the Pats are guilty or not.

One side is taking the extreme view of "they always cheat," and the other extreme side is "we're going to be awarded draft picks when they fire Roger Goodell," etc.
 
He's buying it and trying to resell it.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I stated that Blandino claimed the ref tested the balls with a gauge, which was a direct quote from the article written by our own Mike Reiss.

If that's too much for you to accept, then I'm not sure what to say?

I've also pointed out the fact that Roger Goodell changed the policy back in 2008 after Spygate, which is also true, so there are two true statements--like it or not. I've also made sure to make my stance clear that I believe BB and Brady, and that the whole thing is stupid.
 
I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I stated that Blandino claimed the ref tested the balls with a gauge, which was a direct quote from the article written by our own Mike Reiss.

If that's too much for you to accept, then I'm not sure what to say?

I've also pointed out the fact that Roger Goodell changed the policy back in 2008 after Spygate, which is also true, so there are two true statements--like it or not. I've also made sure to make my stance clear that I believe BB and Brady, and that the whole thing is stupid.

And then Mike corrected himself and changed it to the ref gauged the football himself, which could mean either the literal or figurative use of the word.
 
And then Mike corrected himself and changed it to the ref gauged the football himself, which could mean either the literal or figurative use of the word.

Yes, I appreciate that, and agree with you about the possibility of a dual meaning--but I'm speaking of my comments made many hrs ago.

I can't predict that Mike Reiss is going to change his wording later on that day, and if I could, well let's just say that I wouldn't be wasting time around here ;)
 
I'm saying that I think the truth is in the middle of the two extreme views that people are taking. That doesn't have anything to do with whether the Pats are guilty or not.

One side is taking the extreme view of "they always cheat," and the other extreme side is "we're going to be awarded draft picks when they fire Roger Goodell," etc.

Sup, I am talking about the actual truth, I.e..what actually happened. So I will tell you what I believe happened and you can do the same in return.

Imo the Patriots always go in at 12.5, and they tell the refs to inflate any that are short of that. Then the weather brought then under thus the balls being light. The Colts got cute, told the refs to check the balls and inflated theirs to 13.5 so they would not be caught under.

That's it, nothing more, the rest is all ********

Your turn.
 
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Sup, I am talking about the actual truth, I.e..what actually happened. So I will tell you what I believe happened and you can do the same in return.

Imo the Patriots always go in at 12.5, and they troll the refs to inflate any that are short of that. Then the weather brought then under thus the balls being light. The Colts got cute, told the refs to check the balls and inflated theirs to 13.5 so they would not be caught under.

That's it, nothing more, the rest is all ********

Your turn.

You are missing the point times about 1000. It doesn't matter what I think, which is what I've pointed out a million times. It's about the power of Roger Goodell, who actually has the authority to also hear the appeals process, since it's a team related ruling and not a personal player related ruling (or so, according to others anyway). My opinion isn't worth anything in this case. We're on a Patriots related message board. Of course the majority are going to feel that they are innocent! That's understandable and expected. I admire you for defending the team, and believe it or not, I do it all day long here in Pittsburgh. I do it on my facebook page. I do it at the barbershop. I do it at school. I do it everywhere I go.

For the record, so some nitwit doesn't spend all day trolling me without reading the actual thoughts, I agree that Brady and the team like the footballs at the low end of the spectrum, which would be around12.5. I certainly think the weather may have affected the air pressure, thus lowering it. As others have noted, I also believe that they may have had some a bit lower, which is the responsibility of the refs to catch--although I'm certainly not making any accusations.

I can't comment on the Colts balls, b/c we don't have enough information about that. That's pretty much it on that subject, aside from the obvious fact that the whole entire thing is ridiculous and it's a shame that the fans of the NFL have to be sidetracked at such an important time of the year.

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However, none of this has anything to do with the fact that I've debated:

1) The refs only did a squeeze test--when our own beat writer directly quotes otherwise.

2) The fact that Goodell openly lowered his burden of proof policy back in 2008, which is a fact and has been discussed at length for years. This isn't a criminal case in front of a judge. It's much more like a civil case where the burden of proof is significantly lower. You'd be lying if you claimed that isn't at least noteworthy and/or reason for concern.

3) The fact that the ball boy (or "Patriots Attendant") decided to make a detour from his normal routine of the refs locker room to the field, thus stopping to take the balls with him into the locked bathroom, and giving plenty of suspicion for anyone outside of N.England. May this come into play during the investigation? You bet it will.

4) The fact that maybe the referee shouldn't take all of the blame, since they never ONCE documented the air pressure of the balls in the entire history of the league! Why would people blame the refs? For what? For doing what they've always done? I completely understand that the investigation is helped greatly by the fact that the results were not recorded, so that's great news--but I'm not as sure as some that I'd agree with actually "blaming" the refs. Just my 2 cents.

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You seem to be angry at these facts. I didn't make them up. I'm debating the worth of them, and pointing out that prior to the video evidence, the whole "weather" thing was much more believable.

Now that they know that the 1) balls were deflated AND 2) the ball boy went into the locked bathroom, it makes a bit of a different story, which is why I personally have some concerns as to how Goodell and co. will ultimately rule. In the end, all we can hope for is the best possible outcome and I will stand by the team no matter what the findings are.
 
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Sup, I asked you what you believe really happened? I'm not really getting why you can't answer that. Do you believe the ball boy went into a public bathroom an in under 90 seconds recalibrated 12 game balls ? After Brady had already signed off on them as those he wanted.

Do you think, Brady is lying? Because that ball boy isn't tampering with the balls on his own just for kicks.
 
Sup, what you just tried to lay out as fact was really just the same leaks we have heard from the start. And you seem to be suggesting that Belichick, Kraft, and Brady, as well as the ball boy, are all lying, because it couldn't be a ref trying to cover his ass.

It's really simple, you either believe that Brady told the kid to deflate the balls and he did, or you don't. The rest is all chafe.

As far as Goodell goes I don't care, he has no credibility regardless of his power. In matters regarding right and wrong it's the actual truth that matters, and not the abuse of power.

And it also means that Belichick, Kraft, and Brady were actually willing to put their legacies into the hands of a ball attendant who was going to do their dirty work in under 90 second. No doubt a dynamic Ernie Adams had been working on for decades. I would even bet the ball attendant has been practicing this craft since infancy, and now has it down under the 90 second mark. It's awesome he achieved his dream but unfortunate he got caught, now he takes the rest of the franchise down with him.

The hater case makes no sense at all.
 
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