(Post Edit): Breaking: NFL Ref's Press Conference Just Blew Deflategate To Pieces!!!!!!

Ivan said:

I'm not ignoring them, I'm calling him a liar, period.

I believe Belichick, Brady, and Kraft and think this is a witchhunt. I think the league is full of sh.t.

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I understand your stance, but does it really matter?

Is the NFL suddenly going to change their minds and change their statements? Personally, I doubt it.

For the record, I'm not calling anyone who disagrees with me out. I'm saying that there have been 2 extremes and the truth likely falls in the middle, that's all.

supafly said:

It's all good, man, but I appreciate the attempt to keep the focus where it should be.

I suppose disagreeing with the fact that it was the refs fault or questioning anything about the entire process would automatically place a target on my back, so that's to be understood.

Hopefully, the majority who really know me realize where I'm coming from--and if they don't, oh well.

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I have a ton of respect for you sup, I just think you have been buying what the league it's selling and in this case that's a mistake.

Ross12 said:

Why are we all attacking @supafly exactly? Let's keep our holy rage directed at the right people here.

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Because he's not Jimmy Snuka, AND HE NEVER WILL BE!!!

Ivan said:

Imo the league front office is the one with credibility issues, I think they have lied repeatedly throughout the year and continue to do so. On the other hand Belichick, Brady, and Kraft don't have that track record.

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Outside of Patriot Nation--do you really think that anyone is going to agree with that? As a matter of fact, the high majority of mediots and fans believe the polar opposite.

Hopefully it won't matter in the investigation, although I still believe that we're damned in the court of public opinion.

What are the chances Kraft does something about this?

Fixit said:

Because he's not Jimmy Snuka, AND HE NEVER WILL BE!!!

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Off topic (thank God), did you know that Jimmy Snuka actually (allegedly) murdered a girl back at the start of his career?

I never knew that until a week or two ago. I guess there wasn't enough evidence.

supafly said:

I'm not disagreeing with anything that you're saying about the competency of the league (or lack thereof).

I'm simply stating that it doesn't appear that they just squeezed the balls and moved on--that's all, and even if they did, they are not going to admit that. As a matter of fact, they've stated the opposite now at least twice.

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I find it interesting that a referee would use a gauge to test the balls but doesn't have to record the information. I mean why bother testing the balls if nobody can prove you wrong? I have no idea if Walt tested the balls but this investigation has more holes than swiss cheese.

supafly said:

Off topic (thank God), did you know that Jimmy Snuka actually (allegedly) murdered a girl back at the start of his career?

I never knew that until a week or two ago. I guess there wasn't enough evidence.

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d%#*!@t, another childhood idol down.

Brady_to_Moss said:

What are the chances Kraft does something about this?

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I sure hope so.

Goodell needs to take the blame for all of this and resign

Ivan said:

I have a ton of respect for you sup, I just think you have been buying what the league it's selling and in this case that's a mistake.

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Appreciate it, Ivan. Mad respect as well, bud.

supafly said:

I understand your stance, but does it really matter?

Is the NFL suddenly going to change their minds and change their statements? Personally, I doubt it.

For the record, I'm not calling anyone who disagrees with me out. I'm saying that there have been 2 extremes and the truth likely falls in the middle, that's all.

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Then we definitely disagree because I don't think the truth is in the middle at all. I don't believe the Patriots tampered with the balls period, and that's the only thing that matters and the only thing they can never sanctioned for. And I think it is disgraceful that the league is publicly convicting the ball boy with no evidence of wrongdoing at all.

supafly said:

Outside of Patriot Nation--do you really think that anyone is going to agree with that? As a matter of fact, the high majority of mediots and fans believe the polar opposite.

Hopefully it won't matter in the investigation, although I still believe that we're damned in the court of public opinion.

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I think we were already damned in the court of public opinion by the mediots over "Spygate" anyway, so I'm really not too bothered either way. No sensible person thinks that NE's impressive accomplishments are rendered invalid due to a misplaced cameraman and a less than 10% fluctuation in ball PSI.

supafly said:

Outside of Patriot Nation--do you really think that anyone is going to agree with that? As a matter of fact, the high majority of mediots and fans believe the polar opposite.

Hopefully it won't matter in the investigation, although I still believe that we're damned in the court of public opinion.

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I don't care about that,the haters made their minds up long ago and if they hadn't been give n this witchhunt they would simply have found something else to cry about

supafly said:

Outside of Patriot Nation--do you really think that anyone is going to agree with that? As a matter of fact, the high majority of mediots and fans believe the polar opposite.

Hopefully it won't matter in the investigation, although I still believe that we're damned in the court of public opinion.

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You know it!

Brady_to_Moss said:

What are the chances Kraft does something about this?

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IMO, Mr. Kraft isn't going to accept any kind of punishment unless the league has evidence that an employee took air out of the balls. It is very important for him to protect his brand and stand up for him employees.

Ivan said:

I have a ton of respect for you sup, I just think you have been buying what the league it's selling and in this case that's a mistake.

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He's buying it and trying to resell it.

supafly said:

Perhaps this is some of the pom pom waving that I was referring to?

Dean Blandino's comments from today:
Blandino said he couldn't get into many details with the investigation ongoing. Afterwards, in a side session with a handful of reporters, he said referee Walt Anderson tested the footballs with a gauge himself, which he has done throughout his career."

How the hell is that "misinterpreting the truth" as you state?

This isn't semantics. It's not "gauging the situation." Blandino flat out stated that "Anderson tested the footballs with a gauge."

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Just as an additional point, I asked Mike Reiss if Blandino said "with a gauge" or just "gauged." Mike says he just said gauge. That's why I think it's still open for debate. I think what you quoted may have been edited. Here's how it reads now.

Blandino said he couldn't get into many details with the investigation ongoing. Afterwards, in a side session with a handful of reporters, he said referee Walt Anderson "gauged" the footballs himself, which he has done throughout his career.

Ivan said:

I'm not ignoring them, I'm calling him a liar, period.

I believe Belichick, Brady, and Kraft and think this is a witchhunt. I think the league is full of sh.t.

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I don't trust the league either. But them testing the balls doesn't say the Patriots are liars. They league could be lying, or maybe they just test they're between 12.5 and 13.5. Which he seemed to be implying. That fact alone sort of makes the case unsolvable. 1psi is (depending on who you ask) half, to all of the change. It's completely unsolvable now. We could have 12 balls at all different ranges. And you would need to track the pressure of each individual ball. Which they didn't do.

Has anyone clarified if the balls were inflated with a compressor or a manual pump? I ask because there is a major difference in the temp of the air filling the balls. Neil Degrasse Tyson insinuated that BB was full of it because the balls would have had to been inflated with 90 degree air (post correction). In his mind that seemed preposterous. There is a reason every manufacturing facility on the planet has chillers/dryers/after coolers in their airline after the compressor. The air comes out extremely warm. I have no idea how somebody as bright as Neil Degrasse Tyson would think the air filling these balls could not possibly have been that warm.

Also, the difference between using a compressor and a manual pump could also explain why one team's balls would deflate much more than the other team's. If the Pats use a compressor and the Colts manually inflated - mystery solved.

Hoodie said:

Just as an additional point, I asked Mike Reiss if Blandino said "with a gauge" or just "gauged." Mike says he just said gauge. That's why I think it's still open for debate. I think what you quoted may have been edited. Here's how it reads now.

Blandino said he couldn't get into many details with the investigation ongoing. Afterwards, in a side session with a handful of reporters, he said referee Walt Anderson "gauged" the footballs himself, which he has done throughout his career.

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