The "I'm nervous about Seattle" thread

RIpats88 · Jan 28, 2015

Gronkandez said:
yeah, I think the GB defense got a little fortunate with the interceptions. It wasnt scheme as much as it was balls bouncing off of guys hands. Then they couldn't stop them in the end. In fact Seattle scored way quicker than they would of liked on their last drive during regulation.

actually, with a 5:11 QB that could be scheme. put your hands up and tip the ball. Nincovich tipped alot of balls against the colts. unfortunately we werent able to snag any however.

wilson is short. so if your D-linemen cant get to the QB swat the ball

JMC00 · Jan 28, 2015

Double TE said:
The Jets ran all over us

Jets ran for a 3.6 ypc in the 2nd meeting. Forget about that 1st meeting, short week, 1st game after Mayo got injured, Jones playing on a bad hip for some of the game, Hightower playing on a bad knee, no Branch or Siliga.

Double TE · Jan 28, 2015

JMC00 said:
Jets ran for a 3.6 ypc in the 2nd meeting. Forget about that 1st meeting, short week, 1st game after Mayo got injured, Jones playing on a bad hip for some of the game, Hightower playing on a bad knee, no Branch or Siliga.

OK but they were healthy vs. Baltimore and freaking Forsett looked like Priest Holmes. I am nervous.

RIpats88 · Jan 28, 2015

Double TE said:
OK but they were healthy vs. Baltimore and freaking Forsett looked like Priest Holmes. I am nervous.

different kind of running scheme though. Ravens use zone cut blocks to take out defenders knees from under them. You could tell that the pats DB's were so nervous about getting their knees taken out that they werent staying disciplined

Sicilian · Jan 28, 2015

Double TE said:
OK but they were healthy vs. Baltimore and freaking Forsett looked like Priest Holmes. I am nervous.

I've mentioned this in other threads, but Forsett, Jamal Charles, etc are exactly the kind of runners that carve us up: quick guys running behind good offensive lines. We typically fare better against guys that have to do more of the work themselves after contact. That said, Lynch is bit of a different animal because he's the best at that particular style there is. It would be like a team that's typically good against cerebral quarterbacks saying they shouldn't have trouble with Tom Brady.

Double TE · Jan 28, 2015

Perhaps but Lynch is light years better than Forsett (not Charles). I hope you guys are right and Baltimore's O line is superior to that of the Seahags.

strngplyr · Jan 28, 2015

RIpats88 said:
different kind of running scheme though. Ravens use zone cut blocks to take out defenders knees from under them. You could tell that the pats DB's were so nervous about getting their knees taken out that they werent staying disciplined

This, IDK about the looking nervous part, but the scheme destroyed us, they were totally unprepared for it, and sometimes its almost unstoppable. Kubiak has taken it everywhere and had success with it for the last 6 or 7 years.

It's like stopping a well executed back shoulder throw. Hard to do.

I'm no expert on what SEA does, but I think they put a man on a man instead of simply blocking down in a direction. They don't put defenders in the dirt like the Ravens do and Lynch usually has to break a tackle.

Can't simply say "X had success against us so Y is better, they'll have more!"

strngplyr · Jan 28, 2015

Sicilian said:
I've mentioned this in other threads, but Forsett, Jamal Charles, etc are exactly the kind of runners that carve us up: quick guys running behind good offensive lines. We typically fare better against guys that have to do more of the work themselves after contact. That said, Lynch is bit of a different animal because he's the best at that particular style there is. It would be like a team that's typically good against cerebral quarterbacks saying they shouldn't have trouble with Tom Brady.

I agree, but Lynch and Blount are similar. They may average 2ypc for half the game, but you keep giving them the ball and something good is probably gonna happen after they've hit the defense 15-20 times. They rarely seem (keyword, seem, i might be imagining this wrong) to hit the defense early for those 4, 5, and 6 yards carries that ends up being their end of game YPC number. More like "2yds, 3, 2, 12, 4, 3, 6, 22yds" type of guys.

BelichickFan · Jan 28, 2015

Double TE said:
Perhaps but Lynch is light years better than Forsett (not Charles). I hope you guys are right and Baltimore's O line is superior to that of the Seahags.

Lynch averaged 4.7 YPC with 7 runs of 20+ in 280 carries (2.5%).
Forsett averaged 5.4 YPC with 17 runs of 20+ in 235 carries (8.5%).

These numbers surprise me but within the context of their runnnig games, Forsett was demonstrably better this year.

strngplyr · Jan 28, 2015

BelichickFan said:
Lynch averaged 4.7 YPC with 7 runs of 20+ in 280 carries (2.5%).
Forsett averaged 5.4 YPC with 17 runs of 20+ in 235 carries (8.5%).

These numbers surprise me but within the context of their runnnig games, Forsett was demonstrably better this year.

I don't want to take away from Forsett, but some of the holes Forsett ran though, 2013 Rice probably could have had the same numbers. That OL was from another world in run blocking this year.

Lynch also runs up the gut a lot more, harder earned yards there IMO. He runs into a lot more beef and through a lot less holes.

I think I read something like 80% of Forsett's yards came outside. I'd bet 80% of Lynch's are inside. If I'm even remotely close that's impressive.

BelichickFan · Jan 28, 2015

strngplyr said:
I don't want to take away from Forsett, but some of the holes Forsett ran though, 2013 Rice probably could have had the same numbers. That OL was from another world in run blocking this year.

That's why I said "within the context of their running games". It's not fair to say "look what Forsett did and Lynch is better" when Forsett did better over the course of the season. Do I like Lynch better ? Of course. But we'll likely do better against Seattle's running game than we did against Baltimore's.

strngplyr · Jan 28, 2015

BelichickFan said:
That's why I said "within the context of their running games". It's not fair to say "look what Forsett did and Lynch is better" when Forsett did better over the course of the season. Do I like Lynch better ? Of course. But we'll likely do better against Seattle's running game than we did against Baltimore's.

Guess I skimmed over the context part and saw "Forsett was demonstrably better" and reacted on that.

SVN · Jan 29, 2015

Bonzo said:
We'll find out early on, but with an impaired secondary, that SEA D might be a shell of what it was in last year's SB (or even from a month ago).

Lets see how our Oline handles bennett and avril. There is no given. We saw how a team like SD with ingram gave us so much trouble with pressure. Plus we don't have the deep and outside threats so they can use their speed to compress our short passing game.

ausbacker · Jan 29, 2015

SVN said:
Lets see how our Oline handles bennett and avril. There is no given. We saw how a team like SD with ingram gave us so much trouble with pressure. Plus we don't have the deep and outside threats so they can use their speed to compress our short passing game.

If the OL plays like they did against the Ravens and Colts, I have every confidence that the Patriots will put up 30 on the Seahawks D. Solder's transformed into Optimus Line.

slash83 · Jan 29, 2015

One match up I like is the pats interior O line versus Seattles DTs. They don't have that ngata a big DT to push the pocket into Brady's face. Brady being able to step up from edge pressure will be crucial.

Double TE · Jan 29, 2015

On the positive side of things, Antonio Gates ate that D alive. Maybe Gronk can do the same.

RIpats88 · Jan 29, 2015

Double TE said:
On the positive side of things, Antonio Gates ate that D alive. Maybe Gronk can do the same.

the seahawks have given up 11 touchdowns to tight ends this year which is something like 3rd most in the league. Their weakness is definitely at the tight end spot.

The matchup of Kam chancellor and Gronk is going to be something to watch. Gates ate him alive...and Gronk is every bit as physical and still has about 3 inches on Kam

and before anyone mentions how the seahawks handled Jimmy Graham, he is Soft soft soft...he got shut down by talib

BelichickFan · Jan 29, 2015

slash83 said:
One match up I like is the pats interior O line versus Seattles DTs. They don't have that ngata a big DT to push the pocket into Brady's face. Brady being able to step up from edge pressure will be crucial.

The Seahawks are a weird team. I know their defense is legit, don't misunderstand what I am about to write. But they're 20th in sacks with 37. By comparison to some teams we've played, Buffalo had 54, Baltimore 49, NYJ 45, Det 42, Den/Ind 41. Also Seattle is tied for 18,19,20 with 13 INT.

I get that they are fast, tough and tackle well. But they don't seem to make a lot of big plays in the passing game. The numbers are offset a little as Seattle faced the fewest passes in the league but if they'd faced about 40 more they'd be right in the middle of the pack in passes faced which would add 3 sacks and 1 INT still leaving them in the middle of the pack.

I guess it's just about really good execution for 60 minutes as Seattle doesn't cause a ton of big plays.

slash83 · Jan 29, 2015

BelichickFan said:
The Seahawks are a weird team. I know their defense is legit, don't misunderstand what I am about to write. But they're 20th in sacks with 37. By comparison to some teams we've played, Buffalo had 54, Baltimore 49, NYJ 45, Det 42, Den/Ind 41. Also Seattle is tied for 18,19,20 with 13 INT.

I get that they are fast, tough and tackle well. But they don't seem to make a lot of big plays in the passing game. The numbers are offset a little as Seattle faced the fewest passes in the league but if they'd faced about 40 more they'd be right in the middle of the pack in passes faced which would add 3 sacks and 1 INT still leaving them in the middle of the pack.

I guess it's just about really good execution for 60 minutes as Seattle doesn't cause a ton of big plays.

Good info man... Numbers are surprising no doubt about it. I agree their a legit D but cmon look at the QBs in their division, maybe they'll prove me wrong on Sunday but I'm not convinced they're as dominant as people make them out to be.

vyrago · Jan 29, 2015

libra957 said:
If we can't stop beast mode and wilson from taking of it will be a long day. That Seattle defense really worry me, the packers couldn't do jack today.

The Packers had it won and then puked on their own shoes.

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