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Ok, I've been patient. I've sat through the initial accusations. I listened to the reasonable, logical explanations. I've even read the stupid and ILlogical ounterpoints. I've also had to sit through the noxious mediot frenzy that has somehow turned a pound of air pressure and equated it into the made biggest sports scandel since Barry Bonds and Steroids. But most of all I've waited. waited. I've waited for the NFL to finish its investigation to either clear or condem the Patriots organization for the henious crime of POSSIBLY having one psi too much airpressure. ONE!

Well a here's a clue. Don't hold your breath. Its not going to happen. This is an investigation that could ONLY take 2-3 days, if you tried going slow, and now its well into its 2nd week with no end in sight. Remember the ONLY thing that has to be resolved is IF in the time AFTER the officials gave the balls their final check, did someone from the Pats organization reduce 11 footballs by 1 psi. That's it. You have a situation with a very small finite number of people could have possibly committed the "crime". You have the full weight of a multi-billion dollar organization who has the resources to commit the finest investigators this country has to offer, to solve this "mystery" that has almost no motive, opportunity, or shows evidence of a crime. Far from it, but that's beside the point.

The question here isn't WHAT the league has found or not found, the REAL question is WHY hasn't the league come down with a discision at all! I'll tell you why. Because Goodell in all his dillusionary stupidity has decided to declare war on the Patriots and Bob Kraft. Its the only conclusion I can come to for them not to be able to complete an investigation this simple. He doesn't want an answer this week. He wants no possible way for the Pats to climb out of the morass he has sent them through will all the obvious "league leaks". He wants a permanent stain to detract from a possible Pats win (and that's something to discuss later).

Will there be one? Of course there will. What will say? Nothing of course. A week or so after the game, they will come out with something like this.

After an exhaustive and extensive investigation (worthy of the Warner Report), the NFL could not find any diffinitive evidence that could absolutely prove the New England Patriots illegally tampered with the footballs prior to the AFCCG. Now because the NFL is so completely committed to the integrity of the game we will continue to look into this because we don't want this kind of inequity to happen again in our beloved game
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In other words: "We both 'know' they did it, but we just don't have the evidence to convict them, but we'll get those dirty cheaters eventually, you can be sure of that". Whatever they say, you can be sure that it will be worded in such a way that it will support every hater's vision, even it technically clears the Pats.

Clearly Goodell thinks the Pats have grown too big for the mediocrity his trying to build into the league. Bob Kraft, as an owner, has grown into someone who is viewed by many as a first among equals. Someone who's viewed with a much higher positive rating than he is...and needs to be taken down. When you are as dilusional as Roger Goodell, you can't have someone like Bob Kraft be seen like that....especailly after he thought he'd taught them that lesson in 2007

So once again he is fully willing to damage the "shield" as whole in order to rid himself of a perceived rival to his dominance. Now understand that the fact that he's probably hanging on to his job by thread, after muliple previous disasters, has no relelvance here. Did I mention he was dilusional? :eek:

So at this point, I'm sorry, I already know what's going to happen here. The cloud is going keep raining on the Pats right up through the game. At the game there will be a series of a few calls or non-calls that will always seem to go against the Pats. If that happens , unless the Seahawks play a simply horrible game, the Pats are going to lose. Think about it. Just take 2 calls that "COULD" be called PI, and call them on one team and not on another and see what a difference that makes. Do the same with 2 offfensive holding calls, and the refs can seriously affect the balance of a game without ever making a so-called contraversial call (not that they can't do that either) :mad:

So if you couldn't tell, I'm pretty down right now. As much as I try, its very hard to see any kind of positive outcome here, even if by some miracle we win the game. The only reason to even watch the game now is that I don't want to be alone, and the Pizza is half price during the game at the bar I go to.

As far as the NFL goes, I will have nothing with it or its so call "Shield" ever again as long as Roger Goodell is even tangentally connected to it. Somehow, I will try to figure out a way I can support the Patriots without supporting the the NFL as a whole. I'm not sure how to do that, except maybe to occasionally be come a lurker here now and then. Perhaps I'm better off following the local HS team and offer to help to fill my "football jones".

But if Roger Goodell has decided to declare war on the Pats, then I'm declaring war back in the only way I know how. I'll be around the rest of the week, to see how it turns out, and if by some miracle the Pats win, I'll probably write a post as a paean to that effort because it truly would be a historic one to over come the obsticles I suspect the league will continue to set before it

BTW- if you feel like I might have finally gone round the bend. Feel free to tell me. I only hope and pray you are right. ;)
 
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Do you think the fix will be in for seattle to win on sunday?
 
I can't see goodell declaring war on the pats to get rid of or lessen krafts standing or power. After all it was kraft who came out on national tv in defence of goodell. Kraft has always been one of goodies staunchest supporters. what i do see is a commissioner that has been driven underground by the ray rice catastrophy and maybe falling sway to the medias feeding freenzy, and fans of other teams dispise of all things patriots. To me its not logical for goodell to actively being at war with kraft and the patriots, but just letting it play out and stay out of the spot light feeling it will eventually blow over to the point that if and when the league says they can't find anything he'll try to quietly put the whole thing to rest. At this point he maybe afraid if he comes out in favor of the team his rep will be tanished, better to let run its course for now being taken care of by "others" in the front office.
 
I think it is amazing that with all of the research into the whole Spygate fiasco that Pats fans have conducted since it happened, I never heard of Mike Kensil until this week, and now he appears to possibly be a key person in both Spygate and Deflategate.

I hope Kraft demands more investigation in this by an independent authority.
 
Ken, step back from the ledge, buddy. I see others as well here speak of bailing on the Pats/NFL after Sunday. Personally, I have no problem adopting an "us vs. them" (Patriots vs. NFL) perspective going forward to see how it feels. Strangely enough, the league is proving itself much more corrupt than haters perceive the Pats to be. The Patriot organization represents excellence and deserves our continued support. This forum is the only place in the universe where logic and clear thinking prevails, and you are a part of that. As corny as it sounds, we need to circle the wagons and weather this storm together.
 
I can't see goodell declaring war on the pats to get rid of or lessen krafts standing or power. After all it was kraft who came out on national tv in defence of goodell. Kraft has always been one of goodies staunchest supporters. what i do see is a commissioner that has been driven underground by the ray rice catastrophy and maybe falling sway to the medias feeding freenzy, and fans of other teams dispise of all things patriots. To me its not logical for goodell to actively being at war with kraft and the patriots, but just letting it play out and stay out of the spot light feeling it will eventually blow over to the point that if and when the league says they can't find anything he'll try to quietly put the whole thing to rest. At this point he maybe afraid if he comes out in favor of the team his rep will be tanished, better to let run its course for now being taken care of by "others" in the front office.
Here's your problem, Blue. You are thinking like a rational, smart individual, not like a paranoid delusional. If you were a smart strategic indivual there would have been a dozen things that would have been much smarter and better for yourself that what he's done.

You wouldn't have royally pissed off your most powerful supporter. You wouldn't have allowed those murky leaks that infer a lot, but say nothing being put out by Kensil thru his media tool, just when the toilet is circling the drain. You wouldn't have allowed a "sting" operation which amounted to owner against owner. All these things Goodell might not have been aware of from the start, but certainly seem to have his blessing now.

What frustrates me the most is that this is a story at all. 90% of evey player in the league couldn't tell whether a ball is 12 psi vs 13psi, let alone it being an "unfair advantage" to anyone. Yet somehow this is now the biggest cheating scandal in the history of the NFL. WHY?????? Eventually, you have to start to ask WHY? And after you eliminate all the possibilities, what you have left MUST be the truth.

So why did Roger avoid doing some of the "smart" things you mentioned, and instead, leave the Pats out to hang, and give the mediot hordes the rope to hang them. Let me know when you have an answer to that one
 
Hi Ken,
You are a tremendous asset to the pats fans community. I look forward to reading your well thought out threads about the upcoming games and post game analysis.

Because my job requirements are limited in the winter, I have spent way to much time on deflate gate. I have rehashed all of the reasons why deflate gate became a big story and the only one that makes sense to me is the commissioner is terrible at his job. IMO, if Paul Taglibue was commissioner this situation would have been nothing but a blip on the radar. Goodell for some reason thought it would be a good idea to investigate ball gate like the FBI did when they were trying to find Whitey Bulger. My only question is why? Is it because of spygate, trying to end the Pats dynasty, try to make up for butchering the Ray Rice situation or pressure from other owners. I don't have answers to these questions but would like to talk to someone behind the scenes that might be able to offer an explanation.

I also agree with you that it is tough to follow your favorite team without supporting the NFL. I am going to enjoy whats left of the superbowl experience and make a decision when the NFL is done investigating ball gate. Is it best to boycott the NLF by not watching any games (including the Pats) or supporting my team even though most people and organizations are doing everything possible to end the Pats dynasty? Tough to have the answers to those questions with limited information.

Lastly, I was very encouraged that Mr. Kraft defended his players/organization and hope he continues the good fight. He has to be concerned that his brand is getting taken to the woodshed during the NFL's biggest week of the year. Thanks again for your contributions and I hope you can find a way to enjoy the superbowl.
 
Ok, I've been patient. I've sat through the initial accusations. I listened to the reasonable, logical explanations. I've even read the stupid and ILlogical ounterpoints. I've also had to sit through the noxious mediot frenzy that has somehow turned a pound of air pressure and equated it into the made biggest sports scandel since Barry Bonds and Steroids. But most of all I've waited. waited. I've waited for the NFL to finish its investigation to either clear or condem the Patriots organization for the henious crime of POSSIBLY having one psi too much airpressure. ONE!

Well a here's a clue. Don't hold your breath. Its not going to happen. This is an investigation that could ONLY take 2-3 days, if you tried going slow, and now its well into its 2nd week with no end in sight. Remember the ONLY thing that has to be resolved is IF in the time AFTER the officials gave the balls their final check, did someone from the Pats organization reduce 11 footballs by 1 psi. That's it. You have a situation with a very small finite number of people could have possibly committed the "crime". You have the full weight of a multi-billion dollar organization who has the resources to commit the finest investigators this country has to offer, to solve this "mystery" that has almost no motive, opportunity, or shows evidence of a crime. Far from it, but that's beside the point.

The question here isn't WHAT the league has found or not found, the REAL question is WHY hasn't the league come down with a discision at all! I'll tell you why. Because Goodell in all his dillusionary stupidity has decided to declare war on the Patriots and Bob Kraft. Its the only conclusion I can come to for them not to be able to complete an investigation this simple. He doesn't want an answer this week. He wants no possible way for the Pats to climb out of the morass he has sent them through will all the obvious "league leaks". He wants a permanent stain to detract from a possible Pats win (and that's something to discuss later).

Will there be one? Of course there will. What will say? Nothing of course. A week or so after the game, they will come out with something like this.

.

In other words: "We both 'know' they did it, but we just don't have the evidence to convict them, but we'll get those dirty cheaters eventually, you can be sure of that". Whatever they say, you can be sure that it will be worded in such a way that it will support every hater's vision, even it technically clears the Pats.

Clearly Goodell thinks the Pats have grown too big for the mediocrity his trying to build into the league. Bob Kraft, as an owner, has grown into someone who is viewed by many as a first among equals. Someone who's viewed with a much higher positive rating than he is...and needs to be taken down. When you are as dilusional as Roger Goodell, you can't have someone like Bob Kraft be seen like that....especailly after he thought he'd taught them that lesson in 2007

So once again he is fully willing to damage the "shield" as whole in order to rid himself of a perceived rival to his dominance. Now understand that the fact that he's probably hanging on to his job by thread, after muliple previous disasters, has no relelvance here. Did I mention he was dilusional? :eek:

So at this point, I'm sorry, I already know what's going to happen here. The cloud is going keep raining on the Pats right up through the game. At the game there will be a series of a few calls or non-calls that will always seem to go against the Pats. If that happens , unless the Seahawks play a simply horrible game, the Pats are going to lose. Think about it. Just take 2 calls that "COULD" be called PI, and call them on one team and not on another and see what a difference that makes. Do the same with 2 offfensive holding calls, and the refs can seriously affect the balance of a game without ever making a so-called contraversial call (not that they can't do that either) :mad:

So if you couldn't tell, I'm pretty down right now. As much as I try, its very hard to see any kind of positive outcome here, even if by some miracle we win the game. The only reason to even watch the game now is that I don't want to be alone, and the Pizza is half price during the game at the bar I go to.

As far as the NFL goes, I will have nothing with it or its so call "Shield" ever again as long as Roger Goodell is even tangentally connected to it. Somehow, I will try to figure out a way I can support the Patriots without supporting the the NFL as a whole. I'm not sure how to do that, except maybe to occasionally be come a lurker here now and then. Perhaps I'm better off following the local HS team and offer to help to fill my "football jones".

But if Roger Goodell has decided to declare war on the Pats, then I'm declaring war back in the only way I know how. I'll be around the rest of the week, to see how it turns out, and if by some miracle the Pats win, I'll probably write a post as a paean to that effort because it truly would be a historic one to over come the obsticles I suspect the league will continue to set before it

BTW- if you feel like I might have finally gone round the bend. Feel free to tell me. I only hope and pray you are right. ;)

Great, interesting post as always Ken. You talk about Goodell declaring war on the Patriots and some possible reasons (jealousy of Kraft, Patriots too big for NFL mediocrity).

I would like to respectfully submit a different possible reason. Goodell is a politician, and of a political family. He is under a gigantic amount of fire from the public, most recently because of the Ray Rice fiasco. He wants to save his job AT ALL COSTS. One could argue that he runs the NFL like a dictator.

What does a political dictator do when under fire? He turns to the first page of the "Handbook on being a Dictator", and there is an obvious answer: "Find an enemy to rally the public against and start a war".

There are so many examples stretching back to WWII that I won't even list them, probably the latest is Putin's War in Ukraine to distract the public from the failing economy.

I think Goodell needs to distract (or rally) the public by finding an enemy and declaring war. But I would respectfully suggest the reason is nothing more than saving his rear end and his job.
 
Great, interesting post as always Ken. You talk about Goodell declaring war on the Patriots and some possible reasons (jealousy of Kraft, Patriots too big for NFL mediocrity).

I would like to respectfully submit a different possible reason. Goodell is a politician, and of a political family. He is under a gigantic amount of fire from the public, most recently because of the Ray Rice fiasco. He wants to save his job AT ALL COSTS. One could argue that he runs the NFL like a dictator.

What does a political dictator do when under fire? He turns to the first page of the "Handbook on being a Dictator", and there is an obvious answer: "Find an enemy to rally the public against and start a war".

There are so many examples stretching back to WWII that I won't even list them, probably the latest is Putin's War in Ukraine to distract the public from the failing economy.

I think Goodell needs to distract (or rally) the public by finding an enemy and declaring war. But I would respectfully suggest the reason is nothing more than saving his rear end and his job.
There another more likely one. That is he needs a considerable distraction from himself. Often bad politicians will look for something, often anything, to deflect the spotlight from the bad job he is doing to something new to hate or fear. For the most part that's been the Republican party SOP for the last 20 years ( and unfortunately, it works really well), so why wouldn't Goodell try that ploy.
 
Ok, I've been patient. I've sat through the initial accusations. I listened to the reasonable, logical explanations. I've even read the stupid and ILlogical ounterpoints. I've also had to sit through the noxious mediot frenzy that has somehow turned a pound of air pressure and equated it into the made biggest sports scandel since Barry Bonds and Steroids. But most of all I've waited. waited. I've waited for the NFL to finish its investigation to either clear or condem the Patriots organization for the henious crime of POSSIBLY having one psi too much airpressure. ONE!

Well a here's a clue. Don't hold your breath. Its not going to happen. This is an investigation that could ONLY take 2-3 days, if you tried going slow, and now its well into its 2nd week with no end in sight. Remember the ONLY thing that has to be resolved is IF in the time AFTER the officials gave the balls their final check, did someone from the Pats organization reduce 11 footballs by 1 psi. That's it. You have a situation with a very small finite number of people could have possibly committed the "crime". You have the full weight of a multi-billion dollar organization who has the resources to commit the finest investigators this country has to offer, to solve this "mystery" that has almost no motive, opportunity, or shows evidence of a crime. Far from it, but that's beside the point.

The question here isn't WHAT the league has found or not found, the REAL question is WHY hasn't the league come down with a discision at all! I'll tell you why. Because Goodell in all his dillusionary stupidity has decided to declare war on the Patriots and Bob Kraft. Its the only conclusion I can come to for them not to be able to complete an investigation this simple. He doesn't want an answer this week. He wants no possible way for the Pats to climb out of the morass he has sent them through will all the obvious "league leaks". He wants a permanent stain to detract from a possible Pats win (and that's something to discuss later).

Will there be one? Of course there will. What will say? Nothing of course. A week or so after the game, they will come out with something like this.

.

In other words: "We both 'know' they did it, but we just don't have the evidence to convict them, but we'll get those dirty cheaters eventually, you can be sure of that". Whatever they say, you can be sure that it will be worded in such a way that it will support every hater's vision, even it technically clears the Pats.

Clearly Goodell thinks the Pats have grown too big for the mediocrity his trying to build into the league. Bob Kraft, as an owner, has grown into someone who is viewed by many as a first among equals. Someone who's viewed with a much higher positive rating than he is...and needs to be taken down. When you are as dilusional as Roger Goodell, you can't have someone like Bob Kraft be seen like that....especailly after he thought he'd taught them that lesson in 2007

So once again he is fully willing to damage the "shield" as whole in order to rid himself of a perceived rival to his dominance. Now understand that the fact that he's probably hanging on to his job by thread, after muliple previous disasters, has no relelvance here. Did I mention he was dilusional? :eek:

So at this point, I'm sorry, I already know what's going to happen here. The cloud is going keep raining on the Pats right up through the game. At the game there will be a series of a few calls or non-calls that will always seem to go against the Pats. If that happens , unless the Seahawks play a simply horrible game, the Pats are going to lose. Think about it. Just take 2 calls that "COULD" be called PI, and call them on one team and not on another and see what a difference that makes. Do the same with 2 offfensive holding calls, and the refs can seriously affect the balance of a game without ever making a so-called contraversial call (not that they can't do that either) :mad:

So if you couldn't tell, I'm pretty down right now. As much as I try, its very hard to see any kind of positive outcome here, even if by some miracle we win the game. The only reason to even watch the game now is that I don't want to be alone, and the Pizza is half price during the game at the bar I go to.

As far as the NFL goes, I will have nothing with it or its so call "Shield" ever again as long as Roger Goodell is even tangentally connected to it. Somehow, I will try to figure out a way I can support the Patriots without supporting the the NFL as a whole. I'm not sure how to do that, except maybe to occasionally be come a lurker here now and then. Perhaps I'm better off following the local HS team and offer to help to fill my "football jones".

But if Roger Goodell has decided to declare war on the Pats, then I'm declaring war back in the only way I know how. I'll be around the rest of the week, to see how it turns out, and if by some miracle the Pats win, I'll probably write a post as a paean to that effort because it truly would be a historic one to over come the obsticles I suspect the league will continue to set before it

BTW- if you feel like I might have finally gone round the bend. Feel free to tell me. I only hope and pray you are right. ;)

The problem with this analysis, probably the only problem with it, is that it's almost certainly largely due to the influence of Kraft that Goodell has kept his job through the ****storm of this season. Who was the first owner out of the gate to defend him? I can't see Goodell setting out to destroy one of his strongest supporters.

Now if you want to go full tin foil hat, I like the theory that there's a under the radar fight going on in the NFL offices, with a /contingent/ that wants to drag down the Pats. That seems possible.
 
Hi Ken,
You are a tremendous asset to the pats fans community. I look forward to reading your well thought out threads about the upcoming games and post game analysis.

Because my job requirements are limited in the winter, I have spent way to much time on deflate gate. I have rehashed all of the reasons why deflate gate became a big story and the only one that makes sense to me is the commissioner is terrible at his job. IMO, if Paul Taglibue was commissioner this situation would have been nothing but a blip on the radar. Goodell for some reason thought it would be a good idea to investigate ball gate like the FBI did when they were trying to find Whitey Bulger. My only question is why? Is it because of spygate, trying to end the Pats dynasty, try to make up for butchering the Ray Rice situation or pressure from other owners. I don't have answers to these questions but would like to talk to someone behind the scenes that might be able to offer an explanation.

I also agree with you that it is tough to follow your favorite team without supporting the NFL. I am going to enjoy whats left of the superbowl experience and make a decision when the NFL is done investigating ball gate. Is it best to boycott the NLF by not watching any games (including the Pats) or supporting my team even though most people and organizations are doing everything possible to end the Pats dynasty? Tough to have the answers to those questions with limited information.

Lastly, I was very encouraged that Mr. Kraft defended his players/organization and hope he continues the good fight. He has to be concerned that his brand is getting taken to the woodshed during the NFL's biggest week of the year. Thanks again for your contributions and I hope you can find a way to enjoy the superbowl.
Hmm. The 'why did they investigate this like the FBI going after Whitey Bulger' question might ultimately be directly tied to how badly they bungled spygate. Gah, I hate that name. As if filming in the open in front of everyone in the stadium was 'spying'. Because of the way they bungled that, and yeah, because of THAT NAME, everyone outside of NE thinks that the Pats regularly cheat. So this comes up, and Goodell feels in his hamhanded way that they only thing to do is have an exhaustive 'NFL Style' investigation.
 
Hi Ken,
I have rehashed all of the reasons why deflate gate became a big story and the only one that makes sense to me is the commissioner is terrible at his job.
I can't agree more.

However I do think it is not just the commissioner. The NFL, apart from its financial performances, appears to be extremely dysfunctional. There seems to be a lack of strong protocols, processes and procedures. This is common in many if not most dysfunctional organizations. It's not intentional or malevolent by nature, but the absence of rigor and discipline leads to mistakes, misunderstandings and miscommunications. At worst it ferments a culture where individuals can drive their own agendas, which may often be counterproductive and destructive to the organization itself.

As for Goodell, while his financial acumen may please the owners, he cannot preside over a sport with just a spreadsheet. He has to make sound business judgements, but with a dysfunctional organization and an assorted staff of various allegiances and agendas, he cannot be well supported internally. Unfortunately his non-financial judgement is reactionary and emotional, rather than composed of foresight and wisdom. The result is a man with a history of inconsistent judgements, some too harsh others too lenient; a man that knows he has to be transparent but knows not how to make the changes necessary to be so.

This silence is a reflection of his discomfort and inability to lead. The leaks are testimony to the internal mavericks riding their own agendas. The last thing Goodell ever wanted was to be in a straight up fight with Bob Kraft, but that is one of the products of dysfunction - sh*t happens.

Ken, whatever you do, don't give up the fight. You are one of this board's gems and your contributions are valued highly by most of the members. The NFL is dysfunctional, it is sick, but that doesn't mean that we don't care. We should lobby for reform, lobby for impartiality, lobby for rules and protocols that are clear and we should lobby for the transparency that removes doubt and prejudice as much as possible*.

We don't need to lobby for the removal of Goodell, by drawing attention to what needs to be repaired and the mistakes of his tenure, I don't doubt that the owners will quickly search for a new recipient of his $44 million a year salary.


*Unfortunately I am ignorant of any magic that will remove doubt and prejudice from the media, but that is another great challenge that society must be able to overcome. Full transparency helps though.
 
I guarantee you if we fake injuries like we did vs the colts in 2003 and like the giants, ravens, and jets did vs us several times today we'd be toast. BB would be banned for a year, players suspended at least 6 games and 1st round pick stripped. But a team that isn't hated by the league? No big deal....
 
The problem with this analysis, probably the only problem with it, is that it's almost certainly largely due to the influence of Kraft that Goodell has kept his job through the ****storm of this season. Who was the first owner out of the gate to defend him? I can't see Goodell setting out to destroy one of his strongest supporters.

Now if you want to go full tin foil hat, I like the theory that there's a under the radar fight going on in the NFL offices, with a /contingent/ that wants to drag down the Pats. That seems possible.
you'd think but.....
 
There another more likely one. That is he needs a considerable distraction from himself. Often bad politicians will look for something, often anything, to deflect the spotlight from the bad job he is doing to something new to hate or fear. For the most part that's been the Republican party SOP for the last 20 years ( and unfortunately, it works really well), so why wouldn't Goodell try that ploy.

I agree, that was what I was trying to say also (to get a distraction from himself and his performance).

When you talked about him "starting a war" with the Patriots I assumed that might be a bit of hyperbole, and I was going along with it a bit. Maybe a war of words ;)
 
The Kid deflating the footballs in the bathroom can potentially be construed as a criminal act. Following the money ...... who paid him, Brady, BB, Kraft or another party outside of Football. State and Federal Law is not my forte but I assume it would cover gaming. I can't believe that he would make that judgement in writing without a deal with Kraft first. Legacies alone makes all principle Patriot parties highly likely to shun such an agreement. This would affect Brady's status as G.O.A.T..

Who can stop an investigation by State authorities acting on their own. League implosion is now upgraded from unlikely to somewhat possible.
 
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Here's your problem, Blue. You are thinking like a rational, smart individual, not like a paranoid delusional. If you were a smart strategic indivual there would have been a dozen things that would have been much smarter and better for yourself that what he's done.

You wouldn't have royally pissed off your most powerful supporter. You wouldn't have allowed those murky leaks that infer a lot, but say nothing being put out by Kensil thru his media tool, just when the toilet is circling the drain. You wouldn't have allowed a "sting" operation which amounted to owner against owner. All these things Goodell might not have been aware of from the start, but certainly seem to have his blessing now.

What frustrates me the most is that this is a story at all. 90% of evey player in the league couldn't tell whether a ball is 12 psi vs 13psi, let alone it being an "unfair advantage" to anyone. Yet somehow this is now the biggest cheating scandal in the history of the NFL. WHY?????? Eventually, you have to start to ask WHY? And after you eliminate all the possibilities, what you have left MUST be the truth.

So why did Roger avoid doing some of the "smart" things you mentioned, and instead, leave the Pats out to hang, and give the mediot hordes the rope to hang them. Let me know when you have an answer to that one
I can't give you an answer to WHY at this time, it still pretty early, but i can tell you if what you have offered is true its the end of goodell and the nfl as it is now. If he is willing to do that to one of the most powerful owners in the league then whats to stop him from doing to any other owner? and if and when the other owners step back and see this goodell is history. The larger scandal that would result from a commissioner trying to destroy the reputation of a franchise would bring down the nfl as we know it. But i have to go back to the beginning. What made goodell a paranoid delusional in the first place? I first have to ask are these allegations about a sting true, there rumors, nothings been proven. Why all of a sudden would goodel turn on kraft and sanction a sting in the first place before the biggest game and sporting event of the year. irsays a drunken drug addict and an embarrassment to the league, why side with him? All this in itself doesn't make sense. In the end Kraft could go Al Davis and sue the goodell and the league for destroying the reputation of his team for tens of millions, and in the end he might have to. The Only thing i can think of is that goodell and kraft are SO close goodell is trying to look like hes impartial by being more heavy handed in dealing with the pats. But i don't see this ending well for goody. Goodys a commissioner, Krafts and owner, hes goodies boss. After Kraft helped end the lockout and struck a tv deal worth Billions he has more power and influence than goodell, and i'm sure he'll use it.
 
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Invasion Of The Joker Snatchers!

formerly normal, well adjusted and respected board members are systematically being replaced by Joe Kerr clones....now our beacon of reasonableness, PatFanKen is showing the signs of full blown Joker Goodell hysteria.....:eek:
 
I can't give you an answer to WHY at this time, it still pretty early, but i can tell you if what you have offered is true its the end of goodell and the nfl as it is now. If he is willing to do that to one of the most powerful owners in the league then whats to stop him from doing to any other owner? and if and when the other owners step back and see this goodell is history. The larger scandal that would result from a commissioner trying to destroy the reputation of a franchise would bring down the nfl as we know it. But i have to go back to the beginning. What made goodell a paranoid delusional in the first place? I first have to ask are these allegations about a sting true, there rumors, nothings been proven. Why all of a sudden would goodel turn on kraft and sanction a sting in the first place before the biggest game and sporting event of the year. irsays a drunken drug addict and an embarrassment to the league, why side with him? All this in itself doesn't make sense. In the end Kraft could go Al Davis and sue the goodell and the league for destroying the reputation of his team for tens of millions, and in the end he might have to. The Only thing i can think of is that goodell and kraft are SO close goodell is trying to look like hes impartial by being more heavy handed in dealing with the pats. But i don't see this ending well for goody. Goodys a commissioner, Krafts and owner, hes goodies boss. After Kraft helped end the lockout and struck a tv deal worth Billions he has more power and influence than goodell, and i'm sure he'll use it.

I really fear this could result in BB leaving the Pats. If the Pats are sanctioned and there is no proof that the Pats did anything, just the "preponderance of the evidence", then BB may say he's had enough and resign. If he really WAS involved in cheating, then Kraft may be forced to fire him.

Either one likely ends my fanship with the Pats and the NFL.
 
I really fear this could result in BB leaving the Pats. If the Pats are sanctioned and there is no proof that the Pats did anything, just the "preponderance of the evidence", then BB may say he's had enough and resign. If he really WAS involved in cheating, then Kraft may be forced to fire him.

Either one likely ends my fanship with the Pats and the NFL.
First i don't think BB or TB had anything to do with the balls being deflated, If the pats are sanctioned more than the $25,000 for getting caught deflating footballs without any prof then Kraft needs to break ranks with the league and goodell and sue. I've been thinking the last couple of days about this 'what if goodell finds the pats guilty of tampering with the balls without any definitive prof and hits the team BB and TB with a large fine and takes away draft picks." Krafts only recourse would be to take goodell and the league to court. Goodell arbitrarily made this rule up about not having evidence but having a feeling about guilt, i don't think that flys in court. Also Other teams have been caught altering the balls and nothing happened so how can you let one team slid and hammer another? Ive mention Al Davis earlier, Davis sued the league many times and won, so its not un-heard of, and Kraft does Have the money for the lawyers.I Think just the threat of legal action would scare the hell oft of goodell and the rest of the owners, they'd want goody gone.
 
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