Florio and King on Dale & Holley Think There Was Foul Play by Pats

patsfanincleveland said:

Can anybody read the comments section of PFT and not figure out what target audience Florio has in mind?

If your target audience are complete lunatics, it's best to act like one.

Anybody want to go looking for Sasquatch? Yeti? flat earth?

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Florio likes to play both sides off each other. He will go on a Colts' station and claim the Pats were set up and they are 100% innocent.

Froob said:

So someone who isn't Belichick, Brady, and Kraft is doing this without them knowing? Interesting...

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Funny, because these are the same ****tards who were claiming last week that, if the balls were tampered with, that would be 100% absolute proof that Belichick or Brady was involved, since nobody would ever act alone on this.

King acts confused because he wants access from everywhere. He wont criticize the league for the leaks but will also believe in kraft.
And BTW his stance that BB and brady sound believable is a changed stance only after Kraft came out blazing yesterday because after brady's presser on thursday he said "what else did you expect them to say ?It means nothing"

Tony Cahncuhd said:

I never hear anyone in the media address this, but the key to understanding all of this is not bathroom breaks but how the Colts balls were handled before they were checked and why these balls happened to defy the laws of physics, which would be the case if they were handled exactly like the Patriots' balls (starting out warm).

Only if the Colts balls started colder would they seem to behave according to the laws of nature. Why has no one leaked the procedures followed by the Colts? It's the key to cutting through this crap.

If the Colts' balls started at the same temperature and inflation level as the Patriots' balls, then the only explanation is that the Colts were the ones who tampered with the inflation level. That's the only way they could have maintained their pressure when tested at halftime.

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Because the Colts balls didn't start at the same temperature as the Pats balls. This is the problem that the whole country is having with the comprehension of what happened here.... "well, why weren't the Colts balls deflated then?" It's really very easy, the Colts balls were on their bus before they were checked for pressure, so they would have been exposed to a smaller temperature fluctuation than the Pats balls hence a smaller pressure drop. It's very easy. Please somebody explain this to the mediots......

King seems to have an open mind on the matter and admits he is confused this is better then 95% of the media morons.

I was however disappointed he didn't mention the scientific angle from his column this am, and his conversation with PBPF this am. or the link he got on head smart labs that he saw.

Rob0729 said:

Holley asked him directly whether he thought the Pats are guilty and his answer was "The league thinks they are guilty and that is all that matters". A cop out.

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And that's a load of crap in itself. The league shouldn't be carrying out an investigation under the assumption that something was done wrong. Investigate before declaring guilt, not the other way around.

My sense is that King accepts the idea that the Pats footballs could have dropped ~1.2 psi (on average) and gone illegal (12.5 to 11.3, say) while the Colts footballs could have dropped ~1.2 psi and be deemed legal both times (13.6 to 12.4, say) due to the human element: "0.1 psi is close enough" when they were checked.

Where I think he has strong doubts is rationalizing the lack of common sense displayed by the ref in that scenario. The ref would have seen the same overall pressure drop for one group as he did for the other, after all, despite where the legal/illegal line is supposed to be drawn. The ref should have thought, even though he didn't understand why, that nothing crooked was going on. After all (joking aside), refs tend to be businessmen, lawyers, decently smart people over all, who as we all know do reffing on the side.

My thought is that the ref took a long hard look at the intercepted ball first. This ball was simply an outlier for some reason, 2 psi down (a bad ball, or Colts did something, or maybe it was one that skipped being inspected & inflated, or whatever). Then he just made a rash decision that "something fishy is going on here" and then focused like a robot on whether the other Pats balls were at 12.5 or not. The pass vs. fail tally was what we call "confirmation bias" because it fit the conclusion he had already jumped to, just based upon looking at the intercepted ball.

Of course, the Colts footballs could have indeed been colder when inspected pregame.

Agree. Why didn't someone come out and say as much. The stupid NFL press release even said no conclusions were being drawn. That's a ridiculous statement and I can't believe no one just says, just come off this crap already.

Sciz said:

And that's a load of crap in itself. The league shouldn't be carrying out an investigation under the assumption that something was done wrong. Investigate before declaring guilt, not the other way around.

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That is why their press release is crap. They are not trying to find out if the Pats did it, but how they can prove the Pats did it. If they were trying to find out if the Pats did it, then the investigation would be over.

Big-T said:

Florio is a blowhard Steelers fan and Peter King is beyond stupid, anything that manages to penetrate a skull that thick and find a way into that empty space between his ears just vanishes.

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Florio just loves a good **** show.

Can any of the lawyers here comment on the potential for a defamation case over this whole deflategate thing generally? I somewhat understand the leeway the media has with public figures, but I also understand there is an obligation to retract and correct libel statements when they are found to be wrong. Would any of the lawyers argue that obligation starts when presented with almost irrefutable evidence (such as the science of the PSI) that dismisses the narrative the media has been running with?

Edit: I'm not convinced the Patriots have no recourse against the NFL, even if under contract not to sue. There are implied terms under a contract, and no contract would give the NFL the unmitigated right to do whatever the f*** it wants without consequence.
Example: It appears Goodell has an almost arbitrary means of arriving at punishment given the wording. It seems it would be implied though that whatever punishment arrived at must still be based on actual misconduct.

Froob said:

Florio just loves a good **** show.

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Yeah, as long as he's not on the commode end of it. Then he gets offended and defensive. Look, you can enjoy him all you want. Tom Curran, whom I really enjoy, evidently likes him, also. But, I'm going to exercise my right to think he's a duplicitous dink and his constant bleatings that BB is always up to no good are as hypocritical as they come.

Belichick outright refuses to speak to Peter King, so that should tell you what kind of a slimy little f*** he is.

We all know Florio is a troll and there's some humor in his posts. King takes himself way too seriously and is as funny as a dry wall.

Rob0729 said:

[King's] answer was "The league thinks they are guilty and that is all that matters". A cop out.

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The league hasn't released results of the investigation yet.

Oh man, Florio is going to fire THIS underling for telling at least PART of the truth:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nothing-suspicious-about-their-ball-security/

Jackson 2 said:

Yeah, as long as he's not on the commode end of it. Then he gets offended and defensive. Look, you can enjoy him all you want. Tom Curran, whom I really enjoy, evidently likes him, also. But, I'm going to exercise my right to think he's a duplicitous dink and his constant bleatings that BB is always up to no good are as hypocritical as they come.

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Hey I'm not disagreeing. Florio's breaking news and stuff is pretty much always money but his opinionated stuff is whiny and annoying. I just find what he's done with this deflategate back and forth comical. Usually he stays on the anti-patriot side and won't post anything bad about his boy Peyton.

Florio, King and the lot of them are too timid to make a stand one way or another simply because they want to be able to write tomrrows column whichever way the wind is blowing.

patsfan13 said:

King seems to have an open mind on the matter and admits he is confused this is better then 95% of the media morons.

I was however disappointed he didn't mention the scientific angle from his column this am, and his conversation with PBPF this am. or the link he got on head smart labs that he saw.

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Have to disagree with you on this one. It's only confusing if your premise is that the Pats are guilty and must be guilty, somehow, someway. Otherwise, it's pretty clear that the Pats haven't done anything wrong.

SVN said:

I dont know why people this AM were giving credit to peter king. People need to ask him a simple question.
Would Kraft/BB/Brady be so stupid to put their reputation and careers on the line to go ahead and deny this ? They couldve simply said no comment. Why are they refuting it if they are smart enough to understand that they can be caught ? But Dale and Holly dont ask tough questions to king

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Peter King did actually make that point. I didn't listen to the whole thing, but he did say that it was very unusual for them to come out that way, and what it meant to him was that Kraft and BB are both convinced they did nothing wrong. I didn't hear where he said he suspected foul play, if he did. He did say he thought they were likely to be punished just based on circumstantial evidence, probably not very harshly.
I did hear Florio say he thought they probably did it.